[architect]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

Coming to your doubt, I think it is the not the gear indicator but the gear "suggestor" which is prompting you to shift to 1st at the speeds you mentioned. Gear data always comes from the gearbox.

Originally Posted by deetee

As for the gear indicator, I too observed that. It displays '1' even if vehicle is neutral and is moving. If it is near standstill, then display changes to N.

I tested the gear indicator for longer. Even with the car in neutral, it shows '1' up to speeds of 10 km/hr, '2' up to speeds of 20 km/hr and '3' at speeds beyond that, though I didn't go over 30 km/hr.

I do not recommend driving at these speeds in neutral. This was only done to test this phenomenon.

[deetee]

Originally Posted by architect

I tested the gear indicator for longer. Even with the car in neutral, it shows '1' up to speeds of 10 km/hr, '2' up to speeds of 20 km/hr and '3' at speeds beyond that, though I didn't go over 30 km/hr.

I do not recommend driving at these speeds in neutral. This was only done to test this phenomenon.

That's some thorough investigation architect Ok, if the gear is in neutral , indicator is behaving as you mentioned. But if the gear is slotted, then it shows current gear irrespective of the speed , isn't it?
In that case, may be the neutral position doesn't have any sensor contact leaving the circuit open in which case the indicator display depends on the speed to 'guess' the gear position.

[blacklist]

A crisp and accurate review as expected from architects. My first choice was TUV only when I was in the market last year and ended up buying an s cross DDIS200 instead. Dad is reluctant to buy a Mahindra when you have driven only Maruti's till date with a brief experience of Honda city. Wishing you tons of miles and fuss-free ownership experience in your tank

[architect]

Originally Posted by blacklist

A crisp and accurate review as expected from architects. My first choice was TUV only when I was in the market last year and ended up buying an s cross DDIS200 instead.

The S-Cross was also a car I liked but it had these issues:

1. The 1.6 MJD was too expensive at 14 lakhs on road Delhi. You get a Scorpio S6+ at that price. Of course the power / torque is explosive!

2. The 1.3 MJD variants were also out of budget for me. Further, I had enough of the 1.3 MJD by then.

3. By the time I got around to purchasing, the 1.6 was discontinued.

4. I am not clear about the positioning of the S-Cross:

If it is a GT aimed at fast highway runs, it should have retained the higher-powered version, instead of just getting a face-lift and removing the more powerful engine. It should have had another inch or so of ground clearance, for a true GT in the Indian context.

If it is just another spacious urban hatch, the price could have been lower.

If it is a premium hatch, it should have come with some more features like 6 airbags et al.

[architect]

Planning to go for first service this weekend as I have crossed 2500 km and service is due at 3000 km, though I haven't taken any appointment yet. Work to be done / Issues are as follows:

1. Oil change, oil filter change, air filter cleaning
2. Wheel alignment
3. Squeaking noise from seat belt clasp (maybe it will need tightening or a shot of WD 40. It has a beige vinyl cover over it so not opening it myself)
4. Rattle from drivers' door.
5. Thud noises from the gearbox console area when going over a speed breaker when engine is cold. I cannot figure why it comes only when cold. Could it be cold metal of the propeller shaft or U-joint which becomes okay when warmed up? Or is it a gearbox component?

On a positive note, fuel efficiency touched 15.55 km/l. There has been a steady increase of 0.5 km/l over every cycle but I think it has probably peaked as I am taking the revvs to 2500 RPM now.

[Eddy]

Originally Posted by architect

Reposting from another thread, since this is relevant here.

Since Ghaziabad and all of UP don't issue HSRP, I ordered Movell License plates from Thrissur in Speedex font. Arrived in 72 hours flat, and quality is excellent for the price. Frame is included.

Can you share the link to the ones you ordered please ? I see the ones with frame priced higher than what you paid.

TIA.

[architect]

Originally Posted by architect

1. Oil change, oil filter change, air filter cleaning
2. Wheel alignment
3. Squeaking noise from seat belt clasp (maybe it will need tightening or a shot of WD 40. It has a beige vinyl cover over it so not opening it myself)
4. Rattle from drivers' door.
5. Thud noises from the gearbox console area when going over a speed breaker when engine is cold. I cannot figure why it comes only when cold. Could it be cold metal of the propeller shaft or U-joint which becomes okay when warmed up? Or is it a gearbox component?

First Service was carried out yesterday at Koncept Mahindra, Mohan Co-operative Industrial Area, Delhi. I entered an Authorised Service Center after almost three years. Was attended to within 15 minutes despite having an appointment.

Service Advisor took test drives to understand the problems though problem no. 5 in the above list could not be reproduced. Then Technical Specialist took a drive and instructed the mechanics and denter regarding things to be done.

Squeaking noises from seat belt clasps are gone from the co-drivers seat and have reduced on the driver's side. TS was of the opinion that if it persists, it will be changed in warranty.

Thudding noises from gearbox / drive shaft when cold are gone when I drove this morning. Seems that tightening of all under-body bolts has done the job.

Doors have been adjusted. Though tailgate has become heavier to close, the noise is now gone. Driver's side door rattle is very faint.

Oil change has been done and air filter was clean when opened. Wheel alignment was checked and found okay.

Delhi Govt has banned Diesel generators and the power kept playing truant but despite this hiccup, all work was done within five hours including lunch hour in between. I entered at 10.00 AM and left at 3.30 PM.

Total cost was Rs 2534 for consumables including Rs 100 for disposable cover! I refused the AC system cleaning as the AC has hardly been used since the vehicle was bought. Saved me some Rs 350+ taxes.

So, net-net, one unresolved niggle in 2600 km. A squaking seatbelt clasp.

[procrj]

Originally Posted by architect

Thudding noises from gearbox / drive shaft when cold are gone when I drove this morning. Seems that tightening of all under-body bolts has done the job.

This is a know issue with the gear link assembly. Many folks have got this fixed by replacing the same. IMHO, they might have just greased the link and hence you dont hear that anymore. Wait sometime and the Jin will surface

[architect]

On Republic Day, I drove the TUV to Agra and back. As a highway trip, it's nothing remarkable, just a boring expressway with a speed limit of 100 km/hr. What I can write about the performance is:

1. Driving at 100 km/hr at a shade above 2500 RPM is quite comfortable. That is pretty much the point where the torque has started tapering off and it shows in the unwillingness to accelerate easily beyond that speed.

2. I touched 120 and 130 km/hr for a few seconds and it can get very loud. But doable, yes. Another BHP-ian reported an 85 HP TUV reportedly doing 150 km/hr during a recent run from Noida to Lucknow and I can guess it would be straining at the limits of its performance.

3. Ride quality is decent though the expansion gaps can be felt. It can only improve with more people on board as I was alone with no luggage.

4. Once I got on to the undivided highway between Agra and Haathras, the size and the Mahindra badge was much more useful. The low-end driveability
is good for driving in crowded conditions and filling the gaps but overtaking needs to be planned so that one uses the entire powerband. In the Palio I would downshift to get to 2000 RPM and then take it upto 4000 RPM. With this vehicle, I have to start accelarating from 1000 RPM itself since power tails off after 2200 RPM. Hence, no downshifting required.

Originally Posted by procrj

This is a know issue with the gear link assembly. Many folks have got this fixed by replacing the same. IMHO, they might have just greased the link and hence you dont hear that anymore. Wait sometime and the Jin will surface

The door rattles have reappeared. One of these days, I will go back to MASS and also use my free wash coupon.

[architect]

So almost four months of ownership is up. The odometer was shy of 7300 km today. The issues so far are as follows:

1. Seatbelt clasp squeaking. In the first service, they used some lubricant and one side (the driver's side) got fixed but the co-passenger's side didn't. Sprayed some WD40 when it became rather maddening a few days ago and it is silent since.

2. Driver's door rattling.

3. All door's rattle when speaker volume is increased.

4. Thunk sound from gearbox back when going over speed breaker.

5. There is a small vibrating sound at low speeds from front suspension which is very similar to a lower arm with worn bushes. That seems to be a serious one at this stage.

6. And yes, the reversing camera has stopped working. Its a dealer-fitted accessory .

All in all, just the areas where I expected trouble from Mahindra. Niggles.

On the positive front, even with Eco AC on almost all the time nowadays, fuel efficiency remains above 15 km/l and the engine's freed up a bit more.

I have not had a single day off (including weekends) from my work to get these things attended to. Now, either I will use my free wash coupon and send the car to MASS in a few more days or just wait for the 9500 km milestone (which will come in about a month) to attend to all of these in the 2nd service.

[architect]

Finally I managed some time off today and made it to Koncept Mahindra, Mohan Co-operative Industrial Area today after an online booking.

It didn't start off well since I was tired and irritable due to lack of sleep last night and I arrived a little late. The online booking is pointless because one still has to go and wait for staff to attend to you for almost 30 minutes after your arrival. I finally asked them what was the point of me making a booking by spending 5 minutes on the app, then MASS calling me and wasting 10 minutes of my time the previous day and STILL waiting to be attended to?

Anyway, it got worse when the SA refused to acknowledge the thump / whump / slight vibration from front right suspension area at slow speeds. I told him to write it down on the job card and let me see what I need to do. That sort of put things straight! Finally Technical Specialist drove the car, heard my problem and simply said "Vacuum Modulator".

1. Vacuum Modulator was replaced under warranty.

2. Tailgate was adjusted as it was very difficult to shut.

3. Speakers have been re-fixed. The doors are not rattling at the volumes they were earlier, at least.

4. Doors are quieter (don't ask me how they were fixed and how long they will remain like that).

5. Gearbox mounting has been 'greased'. I don't think they really know how to fix this one, they are just experimenting.

6. Reversing camera was fitted by the dealer, they have advised me to get it checked by the people who have fitted it (the accessories guy at the showroom). It is still under warranty.

7. I had a free wash coupon from the dealer which I used today.

Total cost for me today was ZERO.

I got the car at the end of the day, but at least they fixed what they could and clearly said what they couldn't fix. So I am reasonably satisfied as of now.

Originally Posted by architect

2. Driver's door rattling.
3. All door's rattle when speaker volume is increased.
4. Thunk sound from gearbox back when going over speed breaker.
5. There is a small vibrating sound at low speeds from front suspension which is very similar to a lower arm with worn bushes. That seems to be a serious one at this stage.
6. And yes, the reversing camera has stopped working. Its a dealer-fitted accessory .

[phamilyman]

Congratulations! Wish you a hassle free 2L km of motoring with this beast

Originally Posted by architect

Unless Toyota brought out a 4 seater petrol automatic SUV with 5 seats under 8 lakhs (which is impossible or, at least, definitely improbable), there was no car for us! It also tells you that man (and the woman he has married) wants everything. We also had some unexplained aspirations due to being simply tired of getting bullied about in traffic.

Not everyone is as self-aware - kudos

Curious - not even the TBHP junta's contacts with Noida Ford helped expedite delivery? Hmm

[architect]

10,000 km came and went without event.

Since most niggles were attended to earlier in the unscheduled visit, the service at 9,900 km was a fairly routine affair. Engine oil, Oil filter, Air Filter (changed upon my request, manual says only cleaning), wheel balancing and rotation (I do my alignment outside), gearbox oil, rear axle differential oil were replaced. I was out in about 5 hours which is acceptable considering Saturday rush (I had a Friday morning appointment which I couldn't reach). Total damage Rs 4,966/-.

Also, a few weeks ago, the accessory company replaced my reversing camera screen under warranty. So that is fixed, too.

[SVK Rider]

Very well pointed review indeed. Right now am in the same position as you were before your tank purchase. This will help me a lot in the deciding factor.

[architect]

Originally Posted by SVK Rider

Very well pointed review indeed. Right now am in the same position as you were before your tank purchase. This will help me a lot in the deciding factor.

The one thing that has changed since my purchase is that the 100 BHP engine is now standard on all variants and (maybe) a slight upward revision in price. While it makes the T4+/T6+ more attractive (you get a reasonably well-loaded variant under ten big ones on-road in most Indian states), it doesn't change much if you were shopping for the higher variants.

Finally your choice will depend on body-on-frame vs monocoque and the inherent characteristics of both in terms of ride quality and handling. Performance on the 100 BHP variant is decent though not in Ecosport territory. Low-end torque makes it very good in the city as the Brezza's turbolag can be a bit of a pain at times.