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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up
Thank you RedTerrano! Yes, am just compiling the same! Quote:
Some of those pics have made it to the official Force Gurkha Page I am delighted to see the excitement and will certainly keep updating it. Quote:
Dealer should be happy that the company is taking interest in Sales and getting them a ready customer. It was the customer who was neglected time and again by them, and I had to reach out to Force every single time. Kit is various - Drone, GoPro, Nikon, OnePlus! 1 - I will skip the money part. 2 - Coming soon! 3 - 2.6ltr, 85bhp, 250Nm, Low Range Transfer Case with Front & Rear Locking Differentials 4 - Need to be innovate, plenty of options, will share along with interior pics. Quote:
The older Thar was still a consideration for me, the new one - No. It doesn't make sense to spend that kind of money to get an ABS top 4 seater vehicle without any boot space. Not for practical requirements at least. Yes, no other vehicle even comes close to its factory ready off-road prowess at this price range. Quote:
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Passion apart but if the vehicle was not comfortable we would not have been able to do it, I could not do the same on the Scorpio. We keep and use our Boat bluetooth speaker behind the gear lever, songs and phone calls - both requirements are met! Quote:
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From what I know, the BS6 doesn't come with the 2.2 engine. But I would not be too worried about the power figures, it has more than enough grunt to take anyone places. Quote:
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4th November 2020, 20:02 | #32 |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Wow! What a grand review ! Loved every bit of it. Last year when I was planning to buy an SUV I was impressed by Gurkha and was very very keen to go for it. Only let down for me was the side facing seats. Thinking about the comfort in long road trips with family I decided against it and went for Hexa. Had this review been there last year perhaps it would have been a different story in my garage. |
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4th November 2020, 23:23 | #33 | |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up That was one of a review! A clear insight on how it's like to own a Gurkha. Quote:
Same here, the Gurkha has all the hardware thrown in a single variant and the company saved itself of the mess of different variants. The hardware which is already available with them that they use in Toofan/Cruiser for export markets like Nepal. And in the people mover segment in BS6 era, with no Scorpio m2DiCR, Bolero plus, Sumo, Used Taveras, Used 1st Gen Innovas; their Force Toofan BS6 is gonna rule the roost. Last edited by H Karter : 4th November 2020 at 23:25. Reason: Appreciate review | |
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6th November 2020, 12:53 | #34 |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up I have not been able to get this review out of my mind. It's like a song that's stuck in the brain. I am very very tempted by the Gurkha now. The name also appeals to me as I grew up in Cantonments across the country. I also looked up Bear Camp - lovely place. If not this winter, then definitely coming next year. I hope you welcome pets (dog in this case). |
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6th November 2020, 14:44 | #35 |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Excellent review there sir. I thought Thar was macho. This guy looks like Thar's big daddy There is some unbreakable feel about these high cc low power engines, another example being the old Innova which with 100 bhp could put lighter and higher power to weight ratio cars to shame with full load! They are generally running relatively lower compression levels and and a result lower stress on the engine components. You could throw in any quality fuel and also the components would have more Factor of safety left before giving up compared to a fully juiced 140bhp engine for the same cc. For off-roading, low compression "feels" best. |
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6th November 2020, 21:21 | #36 |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Many congratulations on your tank. Beautiful and only of its kind review. When I tail a force traveller van I used to wonder how this 2.6 - 90hp is giving a run for my MJD. No doubt it's a wonder mill. On paper figures are misleading from actual it looks like. I see here in TN many Force cruiser jeeps from North touring interior TN towns with a village squeezed in. Such is the prowess of this engine. Can you give a comparison between Vcross and your Gurkha on On and off road driveability? Last edited by KPR : 6th November 2020 at 21:23. |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Congrats on your beast. What a review ! The video in the end is awesome,have never ventured into places like this before. Drive safe |
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7th November 2020, 16:37 | #38 |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up At the onset thank you so much everyone, the response has been overwhelming to say the least, and I am falling short of time to respond, since there were multiple queries regarding the interiors, let me first give you all a glimpse of the same, will respond to all soon after! The first glance of the cabin and it feels utterly basic and devoid of everything. What it has: 1. Enough and more grab handles for co-passenger, rear passenger and driver. A total of 4 handles can be seen in this picture and all of them have tremendous usage value. 2. Decent lockable glove box for storage 3. Center console which has a few cubby holes and a large bottle holder 4. Pockets in the seat back 5. Deep pockets on the front doors - useful only for maps, wiping cloth and other narrow articles 6. View of the rear from the front seat, can see the long grab handle down the center and also 2 grab handles for assistance in climbing up. 7. Bottle Jack behind passenger seat 8. Headlight Levelling switch and Hazard Lights, don't know why but I was surprised to see the headlight levelling switch - for some reason I wasn't expecting it 9. Fog Light switch and a dummy switch 10. Rearview mirror and visibility, due to the height of the vehicle, one has to be extremely careful while reversing, the visibility is good though comparatively lets say with the Aria (will mention reason) 11. Steering wheel - nice and chunky and is of decent size The interiors actually grow on you and frankly speaking except the music system, there is nothing else that we have actually felt a critical need for, in fact I don't think what else does any other manufacturer provide. Yes maybe soft touch dashboards and the likes, the softer aspects - but with the nature of the vehicle the rugged character goes with it. Maybe a black shade for the interiors would have looked far better than the current dark gray - keeping everything else the same. But there we have it, we had to improvise on how to make the cabin fit our requirements. Accessories 1. Music System - we travel with a large portable waterproof speaker from Boat, this provides us with music and also answer calls The available space is such that if we do fit a touchscreen there, it will be of no use and one will have to take eyes off the road to operate the same. 2. We use Here Maps for navigation and needed a sturdy mobile holder which could withstand off-road conditions. After many failed attempts finally came across this one from Bergmann and must say it has passed with flying colors, over 3000kms of off-road and another 2000kms on the highway and it stays rock solid like Day 1. 3. Bergmann Typhoon Air Compressor, this has been quietly performing over 4yrs now, no issues - absolutely fantastic. Add to that a puncture kit - which I have not used till date. 4. Wooden beads for seats, really a necessity if you are spending a lot of time on the road. This keeps the circulation going and also prevents sweating. 5. Noodle mats over the regular mats. As you can see the dashboard is flat and hence possible to add something if one is able to overcome the textured disability - this prevents any suction cup from working well. Most Satisfying Item Everyone loves a clean car, especially after a long drive and if you are constantly on the road then even more important. The mud flaps together with the extended floor board prevent any muck or slush from reaching the body, all of that stays totally out of the way and cleaning is relatively easier. This is the state of the car after a 3000kms and 1 month run through forests, highways, 4 states and plenty of cow dung - nothing on the body at all. And no, beyond using the wiper, I have not wiped the car not even once. Before washing During the wash After the wash Even the rear windshield stays clear of all mud, sludge and everything, this would have been a huge problem, as it does not have a rear wiper. In the the Aria and the Scorpio, the rear wiper has to work a lot and after a long drive the usable visible area narrows down to just the wiper area How do we travel with all the luggage? The Space available in the rear is huge it is not quite apparent but it swallows luggage easily. I am trying to look for the picture where we have converted in into a bed, but at the moment let me try to explain. The next time I will capture a video of how everything fits and share it for everyone as a travel tip but for now here goes. - In the center, we place our large Coleman Icebox, - We use unconventional luggage too, like my Himalayan waterproof Saddle bags, which fit perfectly behind the front seats, - the center area which is open, is blocked by placing a cabin luggage in standing position, that is supported by the Coleman icebox on one side and the saddle bags on the other 2 sides - doesn't move an inch and provides a welcome supporting wall for the mattress. - behind the Coleman box, we place another cabin luggage flat on the floor and then a gadget box over it. Placed it above the Coleman for size reference. - Shoes are put under the rear seats, there is an image for reference, and so are all long items like my Manfrotto tripod, these remain safe and secure and without any movement or pressure from any side With all of the above put in place, it creates a fantastic flat space above, where we place the custom mattress and that gives the kids much needed space and comfort, we place pillows around and then its a kids bedroom. - A can of drinking water (10ltrs) is placed right at the end for easy access - Foodstuff and snacks are kept with my wife in the passenger seat footwell. The legroom is wonderful and one can recline and really stretch their legs I am thinking of adding a Tablet maybe for navigation and music purposes, the large screen will be a boon, but still need to think of a way to keep it in place - suggestions welcome! Hope this helps all travelers, packing needs to be done right to ensure a fuss free travel experience and at the same time carry all relevant stuff along. Cheers! Last edited by Trojan : 7th November 2020 at 16:44. Reason: Added line |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Quote:
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Ours is a very confused market, we ogle and stare for hours at Youtube videos and Vlogs of overlanders traveling in old Defenders, loving every bit of the repair and experience it offers, but when you have something closer back home, we use a different yardstick to measure it. With a just few changes to the interior, this can give many a car a run for its money, simply because its indestructible and will outlast many a thing on the road. There is a very clear reason why highway drivers prefer Force Trax and Toofan, its good, costs less on maintenance and lasts a lifetime. BS6 has only made things easier for Force! Quote:
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Yep, the torque on this engine is crazy and somehow these old workhorses work even better under full load. Karnataka and TN seem to have purchased 60% of Trax and Toofans on the road and yet every single one of them gave a glance at this different looking Trax! Its all about that 'feeling' thank you so much! Quote:
How the power is delivered plays a lot more part rather than how much power is delivered. The Vcross is also a potent vehicle and will do most things that the Gurkha can, the only challenge is its length and extra long wheelbase. In tricky terrains these can be challenging, on the highway I would rate them equally, as the rear seat comfort is lacking in the Vcross and one can't drive very fast if you have passengers seated there. Quote:
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9th November 2020, 14:04 | #40 |
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| Re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6 - Service & Support What a wonderful insight in to this unknown BEAST! Kudos for the excellent photographs. The sort of treads you follow as evident from the pictures suitably justifies your selection. |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up
I was eagerly awaiting your update! Thanks for the same. You did take quite a leap of faith in going for this "unknown" brand and vehicle. How would you describe the comfort levels for passengers in the rear, both in your version and the 5-door one (if you have an opinion about the latter)? What about the long-term reliability of this vehicle? Aren't you concerned about the lack of safety features in the vehicle, considering you might spend quite a bit of time in with on the highway? I am on the lookout for a study, reliable, spacious 7-seater vehicle to replace my Tata Safari. The Safari has taken us places through all kinds of terrain and weather conditions is absolute comfort and without issues. I'm finding it tough to pick up a replacement and wondering if this might fit the bill. Considering that you have the Aira, the Scorpio and now the Gurkha (discounting the Swift), which one would be your choice for long distance trips into the hinterlands of out country. I go in search of medieval temples, which often leads me to dusty and remote towns and villages. I need a vehicle that has good ground clearance, spacious, comfortable, makes me feel secure, relatively inexpensive to maintain, is reliable and costs less than Rs. 20L. Thank you. |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Quote:
A few months back, I had compiled a few of our drives and experiences into a short video - hope you like it! Quote:
Force is not an unknown company, they have been manufacturing Diesel engines under license from Mercedes Benz since donkeys years (1982), and that is the same engine (OM616) which is found in the Gurkha and the Trax-Toofan series and as such is known for its reliability and longevity. Force is also the Title sponsor for the RFC (Rainforest Challenge) and has proven itself at the prestigious event a few times. Regarding rear seat comfort, at the moment our kids are small so a bed type arrangement works, but as they grow older, this will have to make way for forward facing rear seats, that will be a necessity! But still, the underpinnings are such that the cabin is comfortable and we travel with relative ease and our minimum drive time/distance is on an average 900-1000kms. The 5 door one will be certainly be much better due to the large seat in the middle row and still a humongous 3rd row. Space is not an issue by a fair margin! Safety - well what to say about this, I feel it is a relative subject. Our drive times warrant us to be extra careful and the type of travel we indulge in slow & steady helps us stay cautious. Of course traveling on Indian highways is not easy and we have had our own share of experiences on each and every drive, irrespective of the vehicle. It all finally boils down to what is available in the market vis-a-vis your requirement! How critical is your requirement? I feel no vehicle is going to tick all the boxes for anyone, you have to look at the larger picture and be objective about the same too. Within your Control Not within your control Speed and safety is in our hands as we are the ones driving! How we choose to drive is purely our prerogative. Whereas, reliability of the vehicle, fragility and quality of the parts and susceptibility to damage all remain out of control and one is at the mercy of the manufacturer. This was our thought process and it comes from past experiences. Aria is loaded to the gills on paper - but how much of it transfers onto the real world purely from a usage point of view is a different story. More the electrical gadgetry, more the probability of issues cropping up and guess what if you travel to remote areas, none will touch the vehicle - you will be stranded! Ground Clearance - the longer wheelbase limits it Intercooler placed way too low Electrical issues at random - power windows have been changed 6 times in total, all 4 windows one at a time and 2 of them twice, all of them happened during our drives. - No Proper low range, AWD is feel good factor Tires - AT tires at these specifications - tough luck, further you always have the fear of moving from company specs lest something goes wrong and you lose warranty! Huge limitations! So such a vehicle with 7 Airbags and all gadgets put in was still not able to provide what is most needed when we venture out into the unknown for +5000kms with kids - Confidence Hence for us in our search of our next vehicle we followed the below Confidence > Reliability > Safety > Interior Luxury Regarding your requirement - how much off-roading are you going to be doing? If bad roads and the occasional mud tracks and pothole and crater strewn highways is all that your vehicle is going to experience then maybe you don't need a 4WD, a rugged 2WD will do just fine. If you are planning to be on the road for long and occasionally find yourself touring the length and breadth of the country, then you need 2 things - a reliable vehicle which does not need to be babied every 1000-2000kms - space for luggage, one has to be comfortable over longer periods and this is where it plays a huge part. My suggestion would be Force Gurkha 5 Door (it comes in both 2WD and 4WD) whenever it launches, this will take you places, in comfort and with confidence, with the new BS6 the interiors will also be sorted. And plus you get space, loads of it and the Defender look Mahindra Scorpio - from the Mahindra stable, this is a proven workhorse and is fairly rugged with a lovely engine and sufficient ground clearance. But if your need is a 4wd for touring, then its pretty simple Gurkha 5 Door it is. Here is another video which I compiled of our experiences and why we chose the Gurkha and this is our Overlanding vehicle. We had previously thought that only when we enter forested areas will we take the Gurkha and other times we would take the Aria, but that has changed now and soon we will be looking for a buyer. Hope you like it! | ||
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up What a lovely car, experience, and photography... thanks for sharing all this, our family doesn't travel nearly as much as you seem to, but would like to do some epic trips some day. I always liked the Gurkha (/Trax) but never really budgeted for a new one (perhaps a mistake in retrospect); And second-hand, any of any of its siblings (nevermind the Gurkha itself) are very very rare up here (and just about everywhere, in 4x4 at least). Thanks too for contributing re: my own quest for a vehicle on the Marshal thread... your review particularly against the backdrop of the Scorpio / Aria is most helpful. Being that I'm unlikely to find a good used 5-door Force anytime soon, will probably go ahead with a 3rd-gen Scorpio 4wd... but meanwhile will keep an eye out for what I suppose is the closest thing for me to a true Indian dream machine. On that note, what I hate about the Scorpio is that funnily serious fellow's unrelenting, loud insistence through the sound system every time I turn the key that this is supposed to be "[my] dream vehicle" (not even close - and boy, is that tacky)... Gosh, between that and the "MicroHybrid" system as being about the most ridiculous misnomer in the automotive world (and for which they should probably be sued), it makes me want to just keep the Marshal till I can find/afford whichever 5-dr 4x4 Force. No-frills is just fine by me. And minimalism / understatement can be a beautiful thing. -Eric Last edited by ringoism : 9th April 2021 at 00:45. |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up Quote:
It was always an aspirational product and the company doesn't do much towards changing that too. Scorpio and its tunes, I have an older version but the song is the same! As days are passing it is getting surprisingly difficult to replace vehicles in spite of the immensely useless diversity available in the market. Your requirement is a niche one which can only be satisfied by personalization on a minimum set need of a 4x4 with transfer case. 1 - Scorpio Getaway 2 - Bolero 4wd (remove last row) 3 - Bolero Camper (too cramped though) 4 - Tata Yodha (you will have to convince the dealer though, they are not interested in selling) 5 - Force No 3 & 4 needs some tweaking to get a White Number plate and 5 needs to be searched (I will look around too) | |
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| re: Life with a Force Gurkha 2.6L 4x4 | EDIT: 40,000 km up I would like to add the Isuzu V Cross to the above list. Isuzu makes very good engines and the rest of the car is relatively bulletproof. Not to mention that it can easily take on any modifications that a user might require. Would love to know if anyone disagrees. |
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