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Originally Posted by turbo_delight If competition is able to provide this at a far lesser price , then why not Tata. |
Firstly the pricing hasnt been announced. Second, its why there is competition. Just buy the competitor which is cheaper. Whats the big deal? People see values in their own way and not everyone's definition of value is the same.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight Also, not everyone who buys 7 seater uses those 7 seats in a frequent basis. I have rarely seen any XUV500 with all 7 people, at least not in metros who are their target audience. Innova yes, but that too which are used for taxis. |
Then why would you not buy the Harrier which will be cheaper? I want a 4 bedroom house but I wont be using the 4th bedroom much and therefore it should be priced the same as a 3 bedroom house. Quite some logic that.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight If purely value proposition theory was right and was working for Gravitas, then why the thread was dead until they renamed to Safari. Why those last minute moves ? |
To churn up interest including whinging. Any publicity is publicity and they have succeeded at that.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight Practically, if Safari does not eat into Harrier sales, the new XUV500 and the competition will do that. And Mahindra do have that 2nd movers advantage. |
Why are you so worried about the competition? Are you really that worried for Tata?
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight As a buyer, I'll look for what value Safari provides over new gen XUV500 ( expecting that this new generation will ride better than its predecessor) and not what value Safari provides over Harrier.
And so will other buyers. |
The new XUV500 isnt out yet let alone its pricing or how good or bad it is compared to the last version so what is your speculation based on? Mahindra's brilliant track record for designing good looking cars with awesome ride and handling? Not everyone views value in the same way. I might place looks higher than a slightly tighter third row, someone else might not. If car buying was a purely objective rational decision, no luxury car would ever sell, sedans would still rule over small hatchbacks on tilts aka small SUV's etc etc.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight To be honest, if the price difference is high, I'll wait for the XUV500 launch. 1-2 months difference of buying is not that big thing, given we hold on to our cars for long time. |
You should. Tata will not price its cars at what you are willing to pay. They will, though, price their cars at what the market is willing to pay keeping in mind their profitability.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight Tata could have and should have put more effort into this product. If Creta and Seltos can look different, if Duster and Terrano can look different, if Rapid and Vento can look different, why not Harrier and Safari. |
Hyundai and Kia are two
"different" manufacturers even though they have one parent and you will agree that Harrier/Safari looks nothing like the Discovery Sport its based on.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight Does it actually take 2 years to give those extra features like electronic parking, captain seats, rear disc brakes, boss mode lever, air con vents etc etc ? For which of these features, they have put their 100% effort for 2 years, visible years, the whole team. Where's that "Safari" effort ? |
So what is the reasonable amount of time they should have taken? So when exactly did they start? Did they start the same day Harrier was launched?
P.S. Designing an elongated car based on the same platform and not spoiling its look, adding additional strengthening to the chassis to make sure it can take added GVM yet not become heavier so as to compromise everything else, tuning dynamics for additional load, tuning the suspension and handling, testing the changes for additional load on the engine + gearbox + brakes, validation testing in different weather conditions and temperature and humidity, validation testing for different road conditions, testing for additional features such as electronic parking brakes, changes to wiring to account for additional electronics, validation testing for electronics in real world conditions plus weather testing, re-tooling the factory for new variants, getting brand new dies for the sheet metal changes and perhaps new hydraulic presses too, changes to robots/adding additional robots for extra welds plus glues, validation of vendors who will supply to the OEM, marketing, customer research etc etc. I am sure I have missed some.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight But you are right if you see Harrier vs Safari, in isolation. And I would have bought with that additional 2 lakh cost even for Gravitas, had XUV500 been not around. Now, I have choices to look for value. |
XUV isn't around yet.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight Expecting a premium because its named Safari and not Gravitas, is like questioning my intelligence. |
Who says premium is just for the name? Didn't you just say and I quote...
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight those extra features like electronic parking, captain seats, rear disc brakes, boss mode lever, air con vents etc etc |
So how is the premium for Safari given Safari wasn't a premium brand to begin with? Besides do they have a gun to your head? It is a free market, you are free to buy whichever car you please.
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Originally Posted by turbo_delight Its not that I'll be angry if they put that high a premium, its just that I'll be disappointed. |
I am sure Tata would know it when they decide on the pricing and are ready to "disappoint" some customers.