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31st May 2022, 21:29 | #136 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 17,000 km up Month-end report for May 2022 Odo : 19,120 km The car was driven 2589.8 km in the month of May. IRA app recorded the exact same distance this time. I had pulled my lower back muscle during a lifting session and had to take complete rest for 5 days. It was a much needed break from work. Altroz was unused for 10 days this month. Storme was used very sparingly too, for about 4 days, clocking the typical monthly average of 500 km, except last month where it was driven over 2000 km. While the Altroz usage also stays in the same trend as the past months Fuel efficiency for May 2022 As per MID - 19.1 kmpl As per tankfull to tankfull method - 18.55 kmpl Talking about fuel efficiency, Altroz has consumed its first lakh INR worth of diesel, 1058.3 liters clocking 19120 km in total. If it was storme, I would have burnt about 1700 liters of diesel. That is about 65k INR saved. Overall running cost (maintenance + fuel) so far is 5.61 rs per km Obviously, maintenance costs will go up substantially as I have had 3 free services so far and only 1 oil/filters replacement. From next service, the costs will go up along with wear and tear parts ( break pads at 30k - 40k km, tyre replacement at 30k+ km) etc. The car is chugging along kilometers without any issues whatsoever. Next update on this thread will be the 20000 km ownership update. Until then, a few pics as usual With close friend and BHPian Sanjeev911's beautiful Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI With another friend's Hyundai Venue 1.0 turbo Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 31st May 2022 at 21:36. |
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14th June 2022, 20:38 | #137 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 17,000 km up 20,000 km UpdateThe little Tata has completed 20,000 km. It has been 7.5 months of joyful ownership. Days taken for every 5000 km Last 10000 km took longer as the storme was used more frequently along with the Altroz. By 14th of every month the Altroz would have been driven anywhere between 1300-1600 km. But this June, it has been driven only 950 km. Thanks to the storme, altroz was idle when I took a 3 days, 900 km round trip to Chennai. I would have loved to drive the Altroz for the trip, but parents were accompanying me. They love the comfort of the Storme. I do have another Chennai trip planned by the end of this month, which will be done in the Altroz. A quick ownership summary of Altroz 1.5 Diesel after 20,000 km of usage : PROS * Sturdy build & Safety - I have had 2 incidents, one where an autorickshaw fellow scraped the front LHS bumper at a signal stop, and second where a poor dog got hit at about 90 kmph on the highway. Both cases, there were 0 damages. I mean not even a sign of those 2 incidents remains on the exterior of the car. If it was my previous primary ride - the ciaz, the outcome would have been vastly different. 5 star GNCAP rating is another reassuring fact * 1.5 Revotorq turbo diesel engine - Enjoyable!! It has low bottom end lag, lovely mid range and a surprising top end for a 1.1 tonne 90 bhp hatchback. The best part is the very healthy mid range. You will love the 2000 RPM to 3500 RPM in all gears. 120 kmph comes at ~ 2600 RPM. Even fast drivers will enjoy the 1.5 diesel on highways. It is more than adequate IMHO. The motor is very fuel efficient too. Even for my style of driving which involves a very heavy right foot, the car delivers an excellent 18+ kmpl actual fuel efficiency. I like the engine note too, specially when driven aggressively Overall FE data for 20,000 km * Handling & High speed ride - The chassis feels planted at highway speeds. The stiff suspension and that excellent steering (feel as well as feedback) makes it a fun to drive car on the highways as well as around corners/ghats. The steering is light at low speeds and weighs up beautifully as speeds exceed. The suspension dismisses road undulations at highway speeds, rides flat and the car feels sure-footed * Looks * 6 speaker Harman Kardonn audio - One of the best in the segment * Features - Though all modern cars come with these features, I like using the cruise control, Android Auto, informative MID, IRA, adjustable front armrest, steering mounted controls, electrically foldable ORVM, cooled glove box, park assist with adaptive guidelines etc. Remember, my other primary car is an yesteryear Storme with a 2 din stereo and doesn't even get a reverse cam. * Space and front seats - I am bigger than the average population. Still, I have no complaints regarding seat comfort or space. Altroz can seat four 6 footers without any issues. Front seats are supportive with sufficient width and good amount of side bolstering. The seat height and leg room adjustment has healthy ranges. CONS: * Low Speed Ride quality - While the high speed ride quality is confidence inspiring and pliant, low speed ride is a downer. It is one of the biggest drawback in my opinion. When you drive faster over bad roads, the ride get flat and confortable. But I can not drive fast on bad roads. I have been accustomed to take bad broken roads as slow as possible. Every undulation, bump and pothole will make its presence felt. In my experience, Ciaz had the best low speed ride (ofcourse after Safari), but handled like a boat. Rapid had the best balance between low speed ride and handling. Altroz is very similar to Polo when it comes to stiff suspension. If someone tells you Altroz has comfortable ride quality even on bad roads, please ask them their experience with other cars. Anyone who is used to any of the cars like Hexa, Safari, Duster, Lodgy, last Gen endeavour, City, ciaz will instantly tell you that low speed ride quality over bad roads in altroz is below average. I reduce the tyre pressure to 31 psi. I really want to get the Continental UC6 195/55 R16 tyres when the stock goodyears are due for replacement. I loved the grip continental offered on our Polo 1.6 GT (CC5 205/55) and my Ciaz (MC5 195/60). But then, the next con is making me have second thoughts about continental tyres - *NVH While I have no complaints with the 1.5 diesel engine's NVH (I loved using the louder VAGs 1.6/1.5 TDI lol), I am not happy with the insulation from road noise. I hope it's because of the stock goodyears. I will know for sure once I replace the tyres. Continental tyres offer great grip but become noisy post 20k km of usage. I might go for the Michelin P4ST that I loved in my Ciaz. It was absolutely quiet, though I felt it wasn't as grippy as continental MC5. I also plan to go for a taller side wall profile. Stock is 195/55 R16, I might get 195/60 R16 which would increase side wall height by ~8mm, thereby improving ride quality *Brakes Brakes are OK. Not great. Minor irritants - The reverse park assist has warning beeps that is too loud. As you approach the obstacle it gets louder, which is intolerably loud. Since my house has a smaller garage I will have to park the altroz very close to the storme. I just cannot find any settings in the connectnext app or on the infotainment to reduce the volume - Even when the AC is set in "air recirculation" mode within the cabin, external air gets in a lot. I mean it's very evident. For an example, in rapid/ciaz/ even Kwid, I have not experienced the smell (specially when something is being burned on the road or while crossing the sugar factory) seep in the cabin while I drove past them. In Altroz it is as though I have set the AC in fresh air circulation mode - Mild vibration from the driver door panel specially during 3000-3250 rpm. I guess the one of the plastic clips holding the power window cables reverberates at that frequency. Below 3000 rpm & beyond 3250 rpm it doesn't vibrate DPF issues - None Reliability issues - None While 20,000 km is nothing to judge a car's reliability, the car has had 0 niggles/issues except for the very minor irritants I have reported above. I drive it over highways, bad rural roads and chaotic tier 2 urban traffic. Talking of reliability, I firmly believe all modern cars (except those unlucky lemons) can easily last 2,00,000 km without any major work, provided routine maintenance and parts replacement are done properly. In last decade, I have clocked over 6,00,000 km in 8 cars from 4 different brands, from 4 different segments. I have had 0 breakdowns in the cumulative 6,00,000+ km of ownership. I intend to use the Altroz atleast until 2 lakh km, that is, if I can overcome the urge of replacing it at the 5 years/1.5 lakh mark like I did with my Safari Dicor and Ciaz. On that note, my Kwid 1.0 is going to complete 6 years, with 55,000 km on odo. Already avoiding any urge of getting it replaced with the Punch/Kiger. The next service is at 22,500 km, which will just be a minor check up. Next oil change is only at 30,000 km. Until then, parting with a few pics With the yesteryear Tata hatchback With my friend's Elite i20 1.4 diesel Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 14th June 2022 at 21:05. |
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18th June 2022, 23:14 | #138 |
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| Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up Desperately waiting for Altroz EV. I have a hunch that's going to be my next car specially if Nitin Gadkari sticks to his words of bringing down the EV prices. |
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26th June 2022, 17:00 | #139 | |
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| Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up Hi, I own an XZ diesel. I absolutely love the performance it offers. I can only imagine how much better it would perform it had the nexon spec diesel. It has been 20 months of ownership so far and I have completed 35k km. I also plan to use it as long as it lasts. It's a great machine. Quote:
Settings -> Vehicle Setup -> Park Assist -> Tone Volume. Check if its the same UI for you. Last edited by Benoit : 26th June 2022 at 17:03. | |
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26th June 2022, 18:57 | #140 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up Quote:
Thanks for the tip. I found it a few days back. I have been toggling in Audio setup before. | |
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30th June 2022, 22:02 | #141 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up June 2022 Month end report Usage in June : 2715 km Odo : 21,835 km June has been another good month for driving. Totally clocking 4300 km including the 1150 km the Storme was driven and 400 km my kwid 1.0 was driven. New celerio had to be given for 2nd free service, as it is 6 months old. The odo is still at 1700 km only. I had to utilize 100% of Altroz's boot capacity this month when I had to transport 130 sets(4 books a set) of kindergarten books for my school children. I did 2 Trichy - Chennai - Trichy trips this month. First in Storme with family and the second in Altroz solo. Altroz trip to Chennai was done in a day. It was a good 645 km done today. Being behind the the of Altroz for 9 hours. This is the longest I have driven the Altroz in a single day. I have done similar 700 km a day drives a lot of times before in my Safari Dicor, Safari Storme and Ciaz. All those vehicles have super comfy suspension set up. I wasn't expecting altroz to be half as good, but surprisingly it was not tiring at all. I think it's because of the great NH roads which were brilliant except for a total 50 km of bad roads near sriperumbudur and chengelpet. Longest one day drive in Altroz in 8 months of Ownership Another first was the actual usage in a single tankful- 632 km Considering the puny size of 35 liters, anything over 600 km of actual mileage is awesome. Notice the very healthy 20.1 kmpl fuel efficiency for the day I am by no means a sedate driver. I love Trichy to Chennai route. I always have fun driving this route. The tankfull to tankfull fuel efficiency for the entire trip was 19.27 kmpl. Brilliant considering the speeds the car was driven consistently at. It consumed 32 liters of diesel, which means there is another 3 liters to Empty, translating to a range clpse to 700 km. Not bad at all. Talking about Fuel Efficiency, Fuel Efficiency for June 2022: As per MID - 18 kmpl As per Tankfull to Tankfull FE - 17.3 kmpl Some pics as usual 4th service is at 22,500 km. The 7500 km service intervals is irritating, to be honest. Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 30th June 2022 at 22:30. |
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| Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up Hi, I am looking to replace my 2013 Maruti Swift Dzire Diesel. My daily driving is minimum 50 KM( I got this car from my dad and in 20 months I have driven 40,000 KM). I have narrowed down 2 cars, Swift and Altroz. Only upside of getting Swift is that it is cheaper but Safety and Petrol Engine are major Concern. Aren't you getting low Mileage for Diesel? I also have heavy Right Foot and I get average of around 18-20.5 KM/litre. I mostly drive in City. 95% of the time it would have single occupant i.e me. It would be really helpful if you clarify following: 1. How comfortable are front seats and AC. 2. How would you rate drive quality of Altroz considering I would be driving on well maintained Delhi Roads. 3. I find my Dzire have good power till 80Km/hour. I keep my RPM between 2,000 to 3,500 and it is a so easy to manuvare in City traffic. 4. I hate Steering Wheel of Dzire. Family have Hyundai Petrol Grand i10 and Kia Sonet Diesel. Both feel superior in that department. Also since they are top models and relatively new( 4 years and 3 months old), Interior are leagues ahead of Swift and way more pratical. My Budget's upper Limit is 9-9.5 lakh so I might squeeze in XM variant. How do they Altroz XM compare to Swift VXI. So considering all that should I spend 1.5 Lakh more on Altroz or should I stick with Swift. |
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| Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up Quote:
Hi Rahul ! From your post it seems you keep your cars for long . I would suggest to go for altroz as Swift latest model build quality is very flimsy and not safe . The bumpers , sheet metal, and everything feels light when compared to older gen. Also tata altroz ncap rating is added bonus. | |
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11th July 2022, 19:21 | #144 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 20,000 km up Coimbatore trip & 4th Service - 22,500 kmOdo: 23,000 km Fourth Service is scheduled at 22,500 km. The last 10 days were a bit busy with Altroz clocking 1200 km and Storme another 400 km. I gave it for the 4th service at 22,950 km. Before going to the 4th service, let me share about the one day round trip to Coimbatore & Tirupur. I have been searching for used school buses for one of my schools. Unfortunately there were no dealers in Trichy or nearby districts. I found two dealers, one in Coimbatore and another in Tirupur. I studied my undergraduate course in Coimbatore and have driven/ridden cars and motorcycles numerous times, but many years back. The last time I drove to Coimbatore was in 2014, in my Chevy Beat diesel. Trichy to Coimbatore is a very short 210 km. Hence I chose Altroz over the Storme. Trichy to Coimbatore highways is smooth and good. But the major irritant is the hundreds of trucks traveling at snail's pace. It's a two lane highways and hence we get held up behind the trucks pretty frequently. So it was useless to get good pace when the truck traffic was not there, because once you start enjoying the roads, there will be another group of trucks to slow you down to 40s. Little did I know that the used bus dealer in Coimbatore would send a wrong Google map location which led me into Suburban Coimbatore towards Palakkad with horrible roads. To make matters worse, it was raining too. It indeed was a torture to drive on those roads. When I reached the location, he smoothly apologises and sends another location, which is 24 km across the city towards Mettupalayam road. It was another 70 minutes of B2B driving through the city. After all that frustration, I reached the dealer, which was anything but a dealership. It was a mechanic shop. This was how the Altroz looked after the frustrating drive through Coimbatore city Adding to the misery was the state of the listed buses. They looked totally beat and were being worked upon. I did go for a test run with my school driver driving the bus. He was disappointed too. I decided to skip this place and lost any last bit of trust on used bus dealers. I decided to skip the next dealer at Tirupur. The stress of driving through the city and the fact that I had to do a detour of 30km from my route back home, to reach Tirupur made me decide to give it a skip. Only saving grace of that day was a surprisingly superb Biriyani at Dindugul Thalapakkatti restaurant at Avinashi. Energized by the good lunch, I got back to Sulur and joined on the Coimbatore - Trichy highway, where I got to let the Altroz stretch its legs. I managed to do very good pace and reached Palladam in no time. I decided to give Tirupur dealer (a mere 15 km from Palladam) a try. This one was a professional dealership with a lot of Commercial vehicles and school buses. I found two buses that suited my needs. Both were in decent shape (much better than Coimbatore ones). But the price quoted was too high. 11 lakhs for a 7 year old, 25 seater bus with 80k km on the odo! New BS6 40 seater is on sale for 20.5 lakhs on road after discounts. Figured it is better to go for a new one. Well, that plan needs some time to materialise though. Coming to the stats for the Trichy - Cbe - Tirupur - Trichy trip That's the longest duration I have driven the Altroz in a day. Not the longest distance though. That will be the Chennai trip done last month, with 630 km done in 9 hours. Coimbatore trip was, in comparison, a torture - 530 km in 11.5 hours . It was exhausting to say the least. The fuel efficiency for the day was shown in MID as a very healthy 18.3 kmpl. But the actual fuel efficiency was much lower But then, the same trip in my storme would have returned single digit FE. Altroz was driven 536 km in a full tank. When the fuel level went beneath the red mark, the "Fuel level low" warning prompt on the MID changed to a stern "Refuel" prompt The tank gulped 32.5 liters of diesel. 22,500 km service - 4th paid service I left the car today at Kaveri Tata for thr 4th paid service at 22,950 km. It is a minor service involving general inspection and water wash. The service bill was 1,700 INR. I always tell the service personnel not to apply polish on the dash. This time though, I forgot to tell that and the effect is polish all over the dash Post service pic The odo climbs, so does the documentation The All 2 milestone Red everywhere While the Altroz was in the service center, this little Maruti did the duty Issue(s) if any As I had already told in previous update, the AC recirculation has been ineffective. AC functioning is flawless, but only the mode change for recirculation/fresh air circulation was not as effective as before. Raised this issue with the service personnel. They suspect air flap defect, for which they needed one day to rectify as they had many cars in queue. They told it will be covered in warranty. I told them I will get it replaced in the 30k km service, which might be in October. Since the issue isn't major, I decided to get it done during the next service. Quote:
2. On good roads, Altroz ride quality is nice. Only on bad patches of roads and at low speeds, the stiffness is evident 3. 1.5 Revotorq diesel is superior to 1.3 DDIS FGT/VGT in all Rev bands. If you enjoyed Swift diesel, you will love the Altroz diesel even more 4. Steering is one of the best aspects of the Altroz. Go for a long test drive on the altroz diesel. You will instantly love it. I suggest you to get atleast the XZ variant. Also be aware of the DPF issues in Bs6 diesels which might be a problem if you drive more in urban traffic. Fuel efficiency is 18 kmpl Overall. That is awesome considering the fact that I drive aggressively most of the times. In my opinion (also as a previous owner of Swift diesel) is that Altroz diesel is a much more fun car than the Swift petrol. You might spend over 2 lakhs more on the Altroz diesel XZ over the Swift petrol ZXI. In my opinion, it's totally worth it. Just don't expect QC levels of Maruti in Tata. There will be minor irritants in Tata whereas Maruti is a truly shut it and forget it experience. In 8 months & 23,000 km of my ownership, only issue has been the recirculation mode switch issue, which is a minor one too. Other than that, it has been an absolute hoot to drive and own. Let's not forget the questionable safety of Swift vs the 5 star GNCAP rating of the Altroz. Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 11th July 2022 at 19:48. | |
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31st July 2022, 20:50 | #145 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 23,000 km up Routine Month End Report Odo : 24670 km July Usage : 2830 km Altroz chugging kilometers as usual. Fuel Efficiency for July 2022 As per MID : 18.3 kmpl Actual FE (T2T method) : 17.83 kmpl Not bad considering the fact that I was driving very aggressively for more than half the month. This resulted in consistently poor Fuel efficiency figures after each tankfull I made it a point to drive more gently and the results were evident. Altroz diesel gives superb fuel efficiency on highways when the speeds are less than 100 kmph One such MID figure after a sedate drive The actual FE through tankful method was also great My Storme was driven 800 km and 2021 Celerio was driven 300 km in July. Storme has settled in 12 kmpl and Celerio throws ridiculous FE figures on MID when driven sedately on highways Some pics with my brother's 2022 Safari XZA+ With the 2018 Storme Varicor 400 It has been 9 months since the purchase of Altroz. In another 3 months /10000 km, I might be looking to replace the tyres. 195/55 R16 UC6 it will be mostly. Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 31st July 2022 at 20:58. |
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4th August 2022, 15:17 | #146 |
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5th August 2022, 13:27 | #147 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 23,000 km up Amazing man. Kudos & keep it rolling. Those are numbers that actually justify owning a car. I am yet to reach that number and its 3 years clocked already with the Nexon. Covid & WFH aren't helping the cause at all! I used to smirk at people who used to keep their cars just as parking ornaments. Like in zombie movies - I'm one of them now . |
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5th August 2022, 15:39 | #148 |
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| Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 23,000 km up Thoroughly enjoy your user experience log. A question - the windows on your altroz look tinted. Is it so? If so, what are the film specs? Do you face any problems with the police regarding this? Sorry if you have already shared these things. |
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| Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 23,000 km up Hello Prasanna... Your reply made me do an informed decision between Altroz xe plus diesel and Celerio zxi. At the time of asking you the question Altroz xe plus diesel on road price was 8.80lac and that of Celerio zxi was 7.2lac. Then last month a tree fell on my Nano, front side roof one door and glasses broken. I thought this is the time. I enquired again online, acko drive gave me instant quotes on email and call immediately. They also told me dealership stocks and waiting periods for cars which are to be ordered, and schemes available. From them I came to know that, Celerio zxi is available at dealership, while Altroz have 1-2 month waiting period(I wanted the car ASAP). And on road price of Altroz would be 9.2lac while that of Celerio which was in stock is 6.63lac plus exchange value and exchange bonus of 15k at dealership. No exchange offer at Tata. So the price difference went near 3 lac. So decision tiled in favour of Celerio. Paid the booking amount online the same day(of starting the search online) without even visiting any showroom. Next day Maruti showroom guy came for assessment of my Nano, we agreed on price quickly, also added the bank details for RTGS. On third day we signed documents of Nano, stright away went to showroom for PDI, decoded the vin, found it manufactured in June, found no sign of use for test ride or other suspicious things. Till then RTGS was activated, transferred the amount. In just next 4 working days got the car home. Initial impressions after 425km of driving- 1) Dead steering (now used to it, it requires very less effort that is a plus point) 2) Good drivability. 3) Very good mileage (exactly same as Nano) 4) Firm and mature suspension than Nano. (Goes 1.5 times faster than Nano after potholes and speed breakers without any problems.) Why choose ZXI? I am a sucker for tachometer. Everything else is bonus. Hidden features found- 1) If you keep blower off but fresh air flap open then little outside air is blown through ac nozzles due to ram effect. I am yet to find out the air entrance. It prevents fogging in rainy weather without consuming any power. 2) Smartplay dock app by Maruti suzuki let's you use your smartphone as MMI screen through blue tooth. I am attaching the screenshots below. The mileage shown is for around 410km, from when i filled up the tank first time. Thank you. |
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Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Prassy's 1st Small Tata | 2021 Altroz XZ+ 1.5L Revotorq Diesel | Ownership Review | 23,000 km up Month End Report August was not a very positive month to me. I was down with a severe viral flu and a shoulder dislocation which put me 10 days off work, meaning, 10 days off from driving. Altroz was used only for 2142 km in August. Completes 10 months of ownership with odo closing in 27000 km. Storme was driven less than 400 km this month. Usage in August: 2142.1 km Fuel efficiency for the month : As per MID : 18.7 kmpl Actual T2T Fuel Efficiency : 17.98 kmpl No issues to report. A few pics Quote:
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Glad my opinion was helpful. Drive safe, wishing you lakhs of peaceful and enjoyable motoring! Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 31st August 2022 at 21:17. | |||
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