[Utsav_199]

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B58’s are rock solid reliable and can go on till 150K miles with no issues.

Great to know, no wonder it is such a popular choice among other makers and tuners.

I think only an M3 Competition, M4 Competition, GTS 4.0 can satisfy or thrill me more than the B58 but, they are double the price. I need to hock my kidneys as they are super expensive to buy and maintain.

Ah, that is going to be very hard. While Porsches have amazing finesse, or chimp minds do not allow us to spend more and go slower.

My Cayman S 330 hp is much slower, so I guess GTS (not driven) 4.0 400hp will be just as quick if not quicker. They both have similar engine NA characteristics. But hey, when that top end opens -- the gate to heaven opens up!

I drove the Macan GTS very briefly, it did not feel quicker. Drove 2.0 extensively, loved it. In fact I was giggling for the first 5-10 minutes for entirely different reasons - perfect controls-steering, brakes and even PDK paddles, fluid chassis, great peripheral visibility, qualities that are so hard to come by. (Thank god it was not a TD else the SA would have gone nuts looking at me jump like a cartoon character)

The GTS only fullfilled the power deficit of the 2.0, but was not quicker than the B58.

So yeah, the B58 has spoiled it for us.

Yup, I know one of the first GTS 4.0 owner in India was the famous Autocar Editor-Hormzad

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Yes saw his IG, you know him? Do congratulate him on the Spinny deal.

It takes people time to get used to a complete redesign and radical one at that.

That is amazing, I guess manufacturers have themselves to blame for making new cars less desirable.

Btw, search the forum, I drove the new X3 M50 as well recently and was not too impressed. But, I would buy it if I want to continue on the B58 platform.

Do you have a drive report, would be great to have your insights.

I got attracted to your thread just because of the title…lol!

[Utsav_199]

My Cayman S 330 hp is much slower, so I guess GTS (not driven) 4.0 400hp will be just as quick if not quicker.

I meant compared to the M340.

That is amazing, I guess manufacturers have themselves to blame for making new cars less desirable.

I meant the 10K profit on such a properly run car after all these years is amazing. I guess we can use this and push ourselves with some nutty enthusiast math to justify that fast Porsche!

[ssjr0498]

I have heard that the moment they plug in the ISTA and reset even the service interval details, the ecu gets locked. Is that true? What does one have to tell them "NOT" to do when one has a femto unlocked ecu?

Thanks

Originally Posted by AbhiJ

If they update the software/ECU, I ll be locked out again. I have to make sure to tell them NOT to.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

[b]Great to know, no wonder it is such a popular choice among other makers and tuners.

Ah, that is going to be very hard. While Porsches have amazing finesse, or chimp minds do not allow us to spend more and go slower.

My Cayman S 330 hp is much slower, so I guess GTS (not driven) 4.0 400hp will be just as quick if not quicker. They both have similar engine NA characteristics. But hey, when that top end opens -- the gate to heaven opens up!

Yes. NA's are awesome for sure. But, in regular driving conditions, it's rare to get opportunities to redline or even go above 5K rpm. These are truly enjoyable on a track vs. normal road conditions.

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

[I drove the Macan GTS very briefly, it did not feel quicker. Drove 2.0 extensively, loved it. In fact I was giggling for the first 5-10 minutes for entirely different reasons - perfect controls-steering, brakes and even PDK paddles, fluid chassis, great peripheral visibility, qualities that are so hard to come by. (Thank god it was not a TD else the SA would have gone nuts looking at me jump like a cartoon character)

The GTS only fullfilled the power deficit of the 2.0, but was not quicker than the B58.

So yeah, the B58 has spoiled it for us.

Macan is a superior car than a BMW X3M40i from every possible aspect except the experience of power.

I did not drive the GTS which I think would be the perfect Macan to own. But, heck Macan GTS is at least 30% more expensive than an X3M40i and this is where the X3 shines at being true value for money.

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

[Do you have a drive report, would be great to have your insights.

X3 M50-Latest version of the B58

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post5916946 (All-New 2025 BMW X3 M50 Review | Initial Driving Impressions)

Also drove the BMW IXM60 :

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...ml#post5905274 (BMW IX M60 in Seattle, Washington - Brief Driving Impression)

X5 M50i (This is the upgraded version of the car my sister drives)

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post5920262 (2022 BMW X5 M50i | Brief Driving Impression in Seattle, WA)

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

I meant the 10K profit on such a properly run car after all these years is amazing. I guess we can use this and push ourselves with some nutty enthusiast math to justify that fast Porsche!

B58's are the only cars that is keeping its value and that too only in few form factors like the X3M40i or M340i. Other cars (Z4, X5 40i) don't retain the same value.

Porsches has consistently topped the list of cars that retains the most value. But, I noticed a peculiar trend. People buy Porsches but, don't drive it as they are scared to lose value. Hence, there are tons of examples in resale market with very low mileage but, their price is nearly the same as new.

What's the point of buying a car that you cannot enjoy. I buy cars to drive and not to decorate the garage.

[Utsav_199]

Originally Posted by mobike008

Macan is a superior car than a BMW X3M40i from every possible aspect except the experience of power.

I did not drive the GTS which I think would be the perfect Macan to own. But, heck Macan GTS is at least 30% more expensive than an X3M40i and this is where the X3 shines at being true value for money.

True. It is even more expensive here, approximately 1.7-1.9 cr (all in stock units have the famous options) vs I guess 1.05 cr for X3M40i when it was available. Changes the entire segment dynamic.

X3 M50-Latest version of the B58

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post5916946 (All-New 2025 BMW X3 M50 Review | Initial Driving Impressions)

Also drove the BMW IXM60 :

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...ml#post5905274 (BMW IX M60 in Seattle, Washington - Brief Driving Impression)

X5 M50i (This is the upgraded version of the car my sister drives)

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post5920262 (2022 BMW X5 M50i | Brief Driving Impression in Seattle, WA)

Thanks will go through them.

B58's are the only cars that is keeping its value and that too only in few form factors like the X3M40i or M340i. Other cars (Z4, X5 40i) don't retain the same value.

Right, I suppose the X5 with a B58 would be a given and does not hold that much of an extra appeal that a 3 series platform would. Maybe the z4 manual might retain value.

Porsches has consistently topped the list of cars that retains the most value. But, I noticed a peculiar trend. People buy Porsches but, don't drive it as they are scared to lose value. Hence, there are tons of examples in resale market with very low mileage but, their price is nearly the same as new.

What's the point of buying a car that you cannot enjoy. I buy cars to drive and not to decorate the garage.

Right, is it relegated to just the GT models or overall to the sports car range?

No point in getting cars to preserve mileage. I end up finding reasons to drive them.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

True. It is even more expensive here, approximately 1.7-1.9 cr (all in stock units have the famous options) vs I guess 1.05 cr for X3M40i when it was available. Changes the entire segment dynamic.

Absolutely. It's ridiculously priced in India.

But, then folks who buy such cars in India are super rich so they can afford it unlike common folks like me driving such lovely cars here. I love the affordability part of living in America with respect to cars.

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

Right, I suppose the X5 with a B58 would be a given and does not hold that much of an extra appeal that a 3 series platform would. Maybe the z4 manual might retain value.

Z4 never really took off. People who want to buy a Z4 stick to the 30i as it gives them the sports car platform without having to shell out a big difference for the B58.

Z4 B58 sells in very few numbers as it's dangerously close to Porsche Cayman (base model) so why would anyone buy a Z4. I see the trend here is that the maximum B58 sold is in X3 form factor other than the X5 40i.

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

Right, is it relegated to just the GT models or overall to the sports car range?

I always keep scouting the market and keeping track of prices for my next car which hopefully will be a Porsche or a full blown M car.

Simple thumb rule with Porsches- The more expensive the car (911 Turbo S/GT3 RS/GT4 RS)- they are driven ridiculously low. It's easy to find many examples of cars that are 3-4 year old under 10K miles driven. Such cars retain almost same pricing as its MSRP.

Originally Posted by Utsav_199

No point in getting cars to preserve mileage. I end up finding reasons to drive them.

Same here. I get very less opportunity to drive due to work travel and hybrid working fashion. But, I still like to clock a bare minimum of 1000 miles per month which is mostly pleasure based driving.