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Originally Posted by khoj @aggoswami
Presuming that at the time of your purchase both the LPG and the CNG versions of the Wagon were available which one would you have picked. Given your existing experience with CNG (your M 800) especially in view of the perceived technical advantages of LPG over CNG and the actual market situation in terms of price+mileage difference / ease of availability for the two gases. Usage being the same what with mostly city driving with occasional highway runs. |
I feel that CNG is better with the technology getting better.
CNG is also lighter than air and hence safer. We have been using CNG since long in M800 so were sure about this company fitted stuff.
LPG does not give out as good efficiency as CNG IMO. About performance drop for normal usage, well, this K10 CNG Waggie is much better in CNG mode than F10D LPG run Waggie.
I suggest you test drive both to get more feel out of the same.
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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves @ aggoswami > thanks for a very very practical and useable ownership review. i will be buying the waggie in a months time and was looking for a practical ownership review and yours nails it spot on.
One question > How practical is it to buy the Vxi over the Lxi ? Is it worth the extra features for the price ?
Note, im not buying the cng version. |
Hi Jay, my view are :
1) Thanks for appreciation.
2) VXi is better any given day. We ended up on LXi only because of CNG. Next, we had to install 19K work accessories specially the audio which my father believes is better for warranty, etc. and is better fit.
VXi has much better things like 4 power windows which are quite practical. If I am not wrong, you do get ABS as an option.
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Originally Posted by crankcase Really useful review...I'll come up with one too...I must say, MSIL has done some really clever targetted product development. They kept their diesel product line up intact and very smartly went CNG for models preferred by high usage city drivers. |
Yes, its a very smart move by Suzuki and practical too. And the best thing they have done is proper engineering and testing. I rarely feel loss of power in CNG mode as compared to Petrol mode.
Update for 5.4K kms.
I met with an accident on 7th dec 2010 which was a bit bad crash and I think I was doing pretty good speed on bike ( considering the damage the bike has taken ). My exams were from 20th dec to 30th dec., hence could not reply or update this thread.
1) I am using this car since 20th dec in place of my bike. I must say that this car is one of the best in city driving mostly due to car occupying less real estate on the road.
2) Suspension needs a special mention here. Very nice suspension setup for city driving. At very low speeds there is stiffness for sure, but after that the suspension is less audible and does the job pretty well for such a car.
3) K10B is a real gem. Today a truck overtuned at Shastri bridge in Vadodara, there was traffic jam so had to take highway to come home. I was in CNG mode and tried to accelerate to redline. Trust me, the engine even in CNG mode felt like it can go on and on. 2nd was good for approximately indicated 85 kmph. After that the revv limiter steped in which I did not like. I think this engine can revv for 500 rpm more. After 45 kmph in 2nd gear, the pull was strong and consistent. 3rd quickly took me to 120 and after that I slowed down. High revs is where the engine shines.
Its low rpm where the problem comes in. This small motor lacks bottom end teeth. And its a bit irritating. In traffic, I am constantly hunting between 2nd and 3rd gear. This car wont pull seamlessly from 20 kmph in 3rd gear the way F10D waggie can. Its not that bad, but still a bit more grunt would be beneficial.
To engage 3rd gear, minimum speed must be of 30 kmph, else the car wont pull well.
To engage 4th gear, minimum speed must be of 40 kmph, else the car wont pull well.
To engage 5th gear, minimum speed must be of 50-55 kmph, else the car wont pull well.
Similarly, one needs to have around 15 kmph speed to engage 2nd. This is bad as I have to cross many bumps, so the car wont take off in 2nd at 10 kmph, I have to engage 1st.
Compare this to Baleno which would cleanly pull from 20 in 3rd.
If the above thing is done then after certain speed, one can feel a surge like in G series where in after certain rpm engine would flex muscles. That fun compensates for lack of low end strength. Real fun from such a small engine and all this in CNG mode.
4) I hate A-pillars of modern cars. Love the A-pillar of 800, Baleno, G1HC ( OHC ), Lancer, etc., but not these modern cars. But overall visibility is excellent.
5) Gearshift is very nice. Smooth and slots in well.
6) Space is appreciated by all who sit in this Waggie.
7) I miss tacho. ( @ jaysmokeleaves, go for VXi that comes with tacho ).
8) Handling is good for a car so tall with compact dimensions.
9) Clutch is light and stress free to use.
10) Its advisable to get a leather steering wheel cover from outside rather than buying as MGA. I am not happy with it.
11) The audio system has good functions that are again quite practical. Like a special mute button, and features like if one presses CD button, the CD will stop at that location and start from where one had stopped.
12) Temp gauge is what I prefer to have for mental peace ( and planning in case of problems ).
13) Idling.
Suzuki is acting a bit smart here. Daily when I start the car, the car would idle at high rpm. So high that I need not use the throttle also even in 2nd gear. But this is of a problem when I am taking sharp turns ( I have to encounter 4 90 degree turns to reach main road, 3 of them within 15 mtrs. of my home ) where I need to slow down. Its a bit odd to have such high rpm idling, leave the clutch and you are with speeds higher than normal. My guess is that the engine idles at more than 2000 rpm which is odd. Positive side is that vibrations are minimum and no fear of stalling.
Overall, not bad move but lowering the rpm from above 2000 to 1800 rpm would help. Please note that I am just guessing it to be more than 2000 rpm.
14) I am getting more than 26.2 kpkg maruti claims. Efficiency is very nice.