[msmatic]

Originally Posted by hellraizer

As everyone knows, Bangalore has some of the nastiest road humps.
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- The headlights are not powerful enough. I personally don't like the illumination

Let me know if you have any other questions.

I took the TD of the vehicle and it was quite good. One interesting point though, when I went over a steep incline road(almost equal to parking ramp incline), I stopped, took my foot off the brake and the vehicle started rolling backwards. Is this common behavior of Automatics in general ? or only in Honda City ? I always thought Automatics don't roll backwards in any incline.

[hellraizer]

Originally Posted by msmatic

I took the TD of the vehicle and it was quite good. One interesting point though, when I went over a steep incline road(almost equal to parking ramp incline), I stopped, took my foot off the brake and the vehicle started rolling backwards. Is this common behavior of Automatics in general ? or only in Honda City ? I always thought Automatics don't roll backwards in any incline.

As you know the automatics have a tendency to move forward the moment you remove your foot from the brake pedals when you are in D mode. On a flat surface or if you are on small inclination, the car lounges forward slowly. However if the inclination is steep, the car might roll backwards. My guess is most cars would have the same behavior barring the really expensive ones with hill hold control etc.

[arup.misra]

Originally Posted by msmatic

when I went over a steep incline road(almost equal to parking ramp incline.

I'm not expert on auto tranny but when driving on an incline you'd need to use D3 mode which is especially useful for steep inclines. This I believe will limit the gear ratios thus ensuring that engine run at slightly higher rpms to achieve the necessary torque.

This will ensure that once your braking action is over the rollback will be limited than driving in the regular D mode.

[hellraizer]

Originally Posted by arup.misra

I'm not expert on auto tranny but when driving on an incline you'd need to use D3 mode which is especially useful for steep inclines. This I believe will limit the gear ratios thus ensuring that engine run at slightly higher rpms to achieve the necessary torque.

This will ensure that once your braking action is over the rollback will be limited than driving in the regular D mode.

D3 will ensure you allow the transmission to shift only until 3. This will not in anyway stop the car from rolling back on steep inclines. Isn't it. Also Honda city has paddles, so D1,D2 etc are not available.

[msmatic]

Originally Posted by hellraizer

As you know the automatics have a tendency to move forward the moment you remove your foot from the brake pedals when you are in D mode. On a flat surface or if you are on small inclination, the car lounges forward slowly. However if the inclination is steep, the car might roll backwards. My guess is most cars would have the same behavior barring the really expensive ones with hill hold control etc.

Then I guess in this case the only option is to quickly get the left foot on the brake and right one on the accelerator. Does Honda manual specify anything about this ?

[spinfreak]

Originally Posted by rkap01

The car has been sent back; no sound was heard by the service guys except a sound they heard was that of petrol swirling in the tank in the cold early morning. Another guy told me that all bolts have been tightened.
I will try to figure out the sound in more detail and try to get the service guy to my place early morning to be able to demonstrate the sound.
Or i should just ignore it? Hmmm this is a difficult problem - my word against theirs! Any comments?

: Originally Posted by rkap01 I have a query

I am in Punjab and the night temperatures are around 7-8 C. When i take out the car at around 6.50 AM, there is a crunchy sound when i go over speed breakers. These speed breakers are quite small and thus not hitting the bottom of the car. That does happen for the next km or two. I sent the car for an inspection and they found everything OK except a badly fitted mud flap on the rt front wheel. The sound seems to originate from the posterior segment of the car. I do not hear any sound if the car hits a pot hole but the speeds are different. On the speed breaker, my speed would be around 5 km per hour!

Any comments/views?!

: Originally Posted by raghu230506 I bought mine in Nov and I had the exactly the same issue with mine, few suggestions

> Don't use hand breaks at night (use briks to block the car), just to check if it's caused because of the hand breaks.

I used to have this issue for first few kms and by the time I reach the dealer it used to be normal. I called the service agent home next day, so that he can feel the sound. He was pleasantly surprised with the sound. What they did was a complete removal/lubrication/refixing of suspensions. From then on I never had it again.

Hope that helps.

Waiting for pics dude.

Cheers Raghu

: Originally Posted by rkap01 The car is at the dealers' so that the early morning sound can be assessed! Lets hope for the best!

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Hi. I know I'm reviving an old problem from an old thread with a longish quote. But I'm facing the same crunching squeaking cracking sound from my front suspension over bumps. It's really loud and irritating for a car like the City. But as soon as the car runs over a few bumps, it vanishes. Problem is more on cold mornings. Any solution at the dealer? As you rightly mentioned, I cannot replicate my concern once the car reaches the service center.

[raghu230506]

Originally Posted by spinfreak

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Hi. I know I'm reviving an old problem from an old thread with a longish quote. But I'm facing the same crunching squeaking cracking sound from my front suspension over bumps. It's really loud and irritating for a car like the City. But as soon as the car runs over a few bumps, it vanishes. Problem is more on cold mornings. Any solution at the dealer? As you rightly mentioned, I cannot replicate my concern once the car reaches the service center.

Oh, the best thing to do is call the SA home in the morning and drive him to the showroom. That is when they understood the problem.

I tried hard to explain them the problem for almost 10days and decided to force the SA to be at home.

[charthom]

Hi friends,

when the temperature is low,the lubricant on moving parts thickens slightly,hence becomes more viscous than usual. This causes reduced lubrication. So there will be a brief rubbing of the parts against each other-hence a squeaky sound.

This will be more prominent in the mornings esp on rainy days. If you have not driven the car for a few days it will be more pronounced. It generally vanishes after a few mutual rubbings which usually happen after a minutes of driving. If you happen to drive for sometime on a very smooth road without an undulating motion of the suspension-it could be heard when the suspension bobs up and down-only for a while.

This is common for most cars and not a defect unless persists in which case there is some abnormal friction developing.

I have been experiencing this with my other cars too apart from the City-far more noticeable on the i10. I have discussed this with the service personnel of Hyundai in the past who advised that this is a normal phenomenon.

Another area of squeaking sound will be the driving belts-under the same conditions.

In my opinion this is not an alarming condition. But in order to rule out doubts you may have your suspension checked.

Hope this helps.

charthom

[spinfreak]

I was given the same explanation by a Road Test specialist. Exactly same. All he couldn't answer was why this happens only on some vehicles not all (in my complex there's other Honda City's which make zero noise over the small rumblers on winter mornings.

Having to live with it is sad. A 10 L car making such rickety noise in front of all neighbours in the morning is plain embarrassing. I am planning to "lubricate" the suspension as suggested by Honda @$$... + all ball joints, bushes etc also be loosened and retorqued on a 4 post lift. That's a 3k inr job I was told :o

[charthom]

Originally Posted by spinfreak

All he couldn't answer was why this happens only on some vehicles not all (in my complex there's other Honda City's which make zero noise over the small rumblers on winter mornings.

spinfreak,

The more the bobbing motion,the more the sound. Vehicles like City have softer suspension,hence the springs travel more up and down. So more sound will be heard-yes,only for a while.This could be why all brands of cars don't make squealing noise.

If your suspension is dirty,ie mud,dirt or sand etc,then these particles will rub and more sound will be emitted. This could be why different cars of same type behave differently.

Generally,cleaner and well lubricated cars that are used more often should make less noise.

Cars have to plunge in dirt under various weather conditions in order to make us comfortable-hence there is no escape from these small inconveniences. Let us learn to live with them. After all,all cars are but glorified pieces of metal welded/screwed together!!

Rgds,

charthom