[Jaggu]

I wouldnt agree to the above statement Sanjay, the size you mentioned is perfectly fine wrt to ride. Unless you have microscopic sensors you will not be able to figure out the choppiness from stock tyre. On the other hand it gives you better braking feedback inside city, where the stock tyres just lock up at the slightest move.

Rattles are altogether a different story and nothing to do with the size of tyre you are running.

I have both stock and upsized tyred cars at home, and upsized one is holding better in rattle department

[itzzme]

Originally Posted by khoj

Hi Nikhil,

I have been shown a set of Yokohamas Db series 195/60/R15 V rated tyres that are made in Japan with bill and wty. Comparing these to the CPC2 of same size which should be the tire of choice with priorities in the order below
1. Low Road Noise
2. Good grip in wet conditions
3. Comfortable drive

BTW one tire dealer whose own car has the RE88s in above size asked me not to change the RE88s coming with my Cedia as per him they are better than both the Yoko and the Conti in terms of low road noise. He is selling all three brands and this is confusing.

Kindly adviseasap, I get delivery tomorrow and need to change before the day is out. Thanks

RE88 are higher on noise...

[DieselFan]

Originally Posted by Sanjay1707

I upgraded to Michelin XM1+ 185/70-R14 six months back. I rue my decision. Although the road grip has increased but ride quality is now very poor and bone jarring. Twice I had to send my car to service center to rectify body rattles. Pl upgrade tyres in terms of size only if you really feel the need. If you drive within the city limits most of the time and the roads are not in the best of the conditions, do not do it.

What is the tyre pressure you are maintaining? You need to maintain at least 3 PSI below stock tyre pressure.

[asethi]

Originally Posted by Sanjay1707

I upgraded to Michelin XM1+ 185/70-R14 six months back. I rue my decision. Although the road grip has increased but ride quality is now very poor and bone jarring. Twice I had to send my car to service center to rectify body rattles. Pl upgrade tyres in terms of size only if you really feel the need. If you drive within the city limits most of the time and the roads are not in the best of the conditions, do not do it.

Even I don't agree with you Sanjay. I too upgraded to the same tyres 3 months back, but I have always felt improvement in every department.
Try reducing the tyre pressure, as for 185/70 the tyre pressure would be approx 3psi less than the stock 165/80 tyres.

[Sanjay1707]

I keep 28 psi in all four. Most of the time, I drive on roads which are a mix of say, very bad to excellent condition. Before the tyre change, my car had hardly any rattle. But, after the change of tyres to XM1+, the ride is good on roads which are well laid but unbearable on bad roads. I asked the local Maruti service center to check the suspension for any problem. They see just no problem with the suspension. I do not know what to do, should I go back the stock tyres?

[2theMax]

Can't decide between 195 or 205's, what would be the best option for 80% city and occassional spirited drives ?

Neo 15" set of 4 - 20250/-
205/55/15 - 4900/- Sdrive
195/60/15 - 4700/- ES100.

Feel iam being ripped, are these price in chennai ok ? include wheel nuts and all taxes.

[DieselFan]

Originally Posted by Sanjay1707

I keep 28 psi in all four. Most of the time, I drive on roads which are a mix of say, very bad to excellent condition. Before the tyre change, my car had hardly any rattle. But, after the change of tyres to XM1+, the ride is good on roads which are well laid but unbearable on bad roads. I asked the local Maruti service center to check the suspension for any problem. They see just no problem with the suspension. I do not know what to do, should I go back the stock tyres?

XM1+s are not good on very bad roads. It is best avoided. But going back to Stock tyres are a NO-NO from the safety perspective.Why don't you try Bridgestone ER-60?

[VTEC_Rocks]

Originally Posted by 2theMax

Can't decide between 195 or 205's, what would be the best option for 80% city and occassional spirited drives ?

Neo 15" set of 4 - 20250/-
205/55/15 - 4900/- Sdrive
195/60/15 - 4700/- ES100.

Feel iam being ripped, are these price in chennai ok ? include wheel nuts and all taxes.

You could bargain on the price of the Alloys. I got 15" lenso (set of 5) for Rs.24000/- I currently run 195/55/R15 and the handling is excellent. The car is pinned to the road at high speeds.

205/55 looks awesome on the car, but be careful while selecting the alloys, as the offset plays a vita role. 205s with an inappropriate offset will definitely touch the body of the car during a full lock or heavy loads.

I got my tires at Rs.4200/- each (Bridgestone G3). Tires are much cheaper in Tamilnadu when compared to Bangalore. I think you would get a better deal.

How much are you getting for the OEM rims and tires?

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by DieselFan

XM1+s are not good on very bad roads. It is best avoided. But going back to Stock tyres are a NO-NO from the safety perspective.Why don't you try Bridgestone ER-60?

Actually for him, if he goes to ER60s, he is going to have an even worse ride.

What you are saying is totally wrong. XM1+s are quite simply unbeatable on bad roads. Nothing even comes close.

Sanjay --- I have a feeling you have overinflated your tyres. What pressures are you running? Where do you get it checked?

In all my experience of dealing with dozens of people running 185/70 R14 XM1+, you are the FIRST person to complain of bad ride quality. Get your tyre pressure checked first.

[DieselFan]

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

Actually for him, if he goes to ER60s, he is going to have an even worse ride.

What you are saying is totally wrong. XM1+s are quite simply unbeatable on bad roads. Nothing even comes close.

Sanjay --- I have a feeling you have overinflated your tyres. What pressures are you running? Where do you get it checked?

Nikhil - Sanjay has underinflated the tyres not overinflated it. Maintaining 28 PSI on all tyres is 3 PSI less than what is recommended for the tyre of that size. So Ideally speaking he should have had a better ride. But on a very bad road this is not the case. a Soft compound tyre flexes more and throws you off your seat while a hard compound tyre will flex lesser and gives a better ride.

This is not just a theory but have experienced the same on very bad roads. Bellary area has really bad roads or no roads at all in certain places where you would need a slightly harder compound tyre.

[Nikhilb2008]

Dieselfan --- Lower PSI doesnt ALWAYS mean better ride quality. There is a certain sweet spot.

Also, I have doubts on the accuracy of the gauge being used to measure the pressure.

[SumitBahl]

Originally Posted by 2theMax

Can't decide between 195 or 205's, what would be the best option for 80% city and occassional spirited drives ?

Neo 15" set of 4 - 20250/-
205/55/15 - 4900/- Sdrive
195/60/15 - 4700/- ES100.

Feel iam being ripped, are these price in chennai ok ? include wheel nuts and all taxes.

ES100 is A-Drive, right?
4700 is bit too much for A-Drive. I got mine for Rs. 3900.

[Nikhilb2008]

Es100 is NOT the A drive!

However, 4700 for the 195/60 R15 ES100 is a ripoff. Could you check again? I'm sure the dealer might have been mistaken.

205/55 R15 S drive is closer to 4800, however, 100/- here and there is understandable.

And NEO wheels costing 20k for a set of 4 is a little hard to believe. Who is the dealer?

[2theMax]

Thanks VTEC, Sumit and Nikhil, It was at Haute car zone-Chennai. I will check with him again as he cannot give such outrageous quotes.

I will check other dealers as well. Thanks

[Nikhilb2008]

He seems to be ripping you off.... Why dont you try Tyre Store?