Upsize Advice - Accent CRDi

kb100 · 20th March 2006, 23:54

Fellow BHPians..

I have been going thru the various threads on this forum and have not found a specific solution to my combination of issues - hence this thread!

I have an Accent CRDi (that just got kitted out with the Petes Box by our Turbo India himself!!

)

My car rides on 195/60 R14 Michelin MXF Sports on HR 8 spoke alloys 6-J rims

- These tyres have rrrreaaalllly lasted!.. but down side - Harsh ride - good only on smooth tarmac roads, very scary if one wheel needs to be dropped onto the shoulder at speed, and crazy ROAR (tyre noise! ) Wife complains she can feel every pebble/indentation on the road! The steering effort has increased for sure - but I kind of like the security of the feedack(steering) that these tyres give! Milage might have sufferd a km or two - I still get 18 on the higway (before Pete-ing).. Have a feeling initially it was more.

I am now due for a tyre change - My rims are 8 holed ones I have had the problems of a slight shudder between 100 -120 kmph etc which other threads in this forum have attributed to "PCD & Offset". I would like to know the following

1. What is the PCD and offset for this size'd rim on an Accent?

2. How to deduce these on this/any other rim.

3. Is a 6J rims better or should I go for a 6.5 J rim in 14".. less flex, better cornering stability? - what are the downsides if any? (Tolerance according to http://www.tongseng.com.hk/Page/Product/G3.html#14inch is apparently 5.5 - 7.0")

4. Are FORGED alloys available in India - I am told these are marginaly more expensive than aluminium alloys - but lighter! (steering effort!)

5. What is a tyre to use - Bridgestone G3/Yokohama AVS100/Dunlop Sp9000/ Pirelli 6000's? I see a lot of nice things on the forum about the Yokos - - I do a lot of highway - roads are a mixture of good highways (becoming rarer and rarer) and some very rough state highways. And YES - it RAINS BIG time in Kerala! Do not want to compromise on Grip, Handling & Ride. Rough road manners/ Low noise will help - and yes the tyres should at least last 35+k under the above mentioned "normal" conditions. (dont want any of the soft compounds - I have a nose heavy diesel!)

Pls help @!!@

kpzen · 21st March 2006, 00:36

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Is a 6J rims better or should I go for a 6.5 J rim in 14".. less flex, better cornering stability? - what are the downsides if any?

Harsh ride...better cornering but dont go beyond 6.5J ...... Heard cases of rims coming off while fast cornering....

ps. U didn't have pete's box during the meet right??? Great if u have got it done

kb100 · 21st March 2006, 15:35

Thanks KP...

ALL ALLOY 'n TYRE GURUS... Pls HELP!!

nitrous · 22nd March 2006, 12:25

For tyres,i'd suggest Dunlop FM901s.

Our member '5u3zero' has them on his Palio GTX and after the track experience,i'd vouch for them. Check his gallery.

Don't go for the V-treads like EagleF1s or Yoko ES100s since they're not meant for broken highways.

jkdas · 22nd March 2006, 12:58

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Originally Posted by kpzen

Harsh ride...better cornering but dont go beyond 6.5J ...... Heard cases of rims coming off while fast cornering....

ps. U didn't have pete's box during the meet right??? Great if u have got it done

he bought one after a test drive and has it on 18+7bhp setting. Let God bless/help the un-petefied cars and others.

PJSPEED · 22nd March 2006, 13:06

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Originally Posted by kb100

Fellow BHPians..

4. Are FORGED alloys available in India - I am told these are marginaly more expensive than aluminium alloys - but lighter! (steering effort!)

Pls help @!!@

Hi,
Recently i have sold a Forged Billet alluminium wheels ....Very expensive !!!!

PJ

kb100 · 22nd March 2006, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

For tyres,i'd suggest Dunlop FM901s.

Our member '5u3zero' has them on his Palio GTX and after the track experience,i'd vouch for them. Check his gallery.

Don't go for the V-treads like EagleF1s or Yoko ES100s since they're not meant for broken highways.

I DId... very interesting looking tyres!!!

Nitrous... Can you elaborate a little bit (in fact LOTS

) on your track experience with these tyres??

nitrous · 23rd March 2006, 09:56

They were like 'quickfix'.

The dunlops glued the GTX onto the track. They did squeal at tight corners ,but not a single hint of traction-loss.

I was IMPRESSED!!

kb100 · 23rd March 2006, 21:20

.. SIGHhhhhh..... You bring a problem to the Forum... and you walk away with MORE options!!!

ScarySkulls · 24th March 2006, 20:25

Shouldn't going up in rim size help making the gearing taller.
I mean that that should be done. Right..???
I remember it hitting rev limit in top gear on a highway run.

S@~+#0$# · 24th March 2006, 21:03

Forged rims are available in India. Have a look at the 2006 HR catalogue, you'll find around 5 wheel patterns of a brand called Magline which are marketed by HR. The rims are excellent and quite light compared to the regular HR/League wheels. However, they are available in 15 inch and above are available. They are priced slightly higher than the HR range but I feel they are well worth their price.

kb100 · 24th March 2006, 21:19

>.. And wonder if 205/55's in 15" will scuff... have to ask Drifter that - I think he uses SP9000's of the same size..

kpzen · 24th March 2006, 21:47

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Originally Posted by kb100

>.. And wonder if 205/55's in 15" will scuff... have to ask Drifter that - I think he uses SP9000's of the same size..

I think he uses 205/50 not 55....with SP9000 rubber

kb100 · 24th March 2006, 21:53

Yup!!.. You are right!... DRIFTER _ YOUR INPUTS PLZ!!!

There are a few ppl here promising me to get me forged alloys in 14"... got to be careful with these claims- met three shysters yesterday alone!!

kb100 · 24th March 2006, 21:55

And the tyre... I need some alternative to the 901's

20th March 2006, 23:54	#1
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	Upsize Advice - Accent CRDi Fellow BHPians.. I have been going thru the various threads on this forum and have not found a specific solution to my combination of issues - hence this thread! I have an Accent CRDi (that just got kitted out with the Petes Box by our Turbo India himself!! ) My car rides on 195/60 R14 Michelin MXF Sports on HR 8 spoke alloys 6-J rims - These tyres have rrrreaaalllly lasted!.. but down side - Harsh ride - good only on smooth tarmac roads, very scary if one wheel needs to be dropped onto the shoulder at speed, and crazy ROAR (tyre noise! ) Wife complains she can feel every pebble/indentation on the road! The steering effort has increased for sure - but I kind of like the security of the feedack(steering) that these tyres give! Milage might have sufferd a km or two - I still get 18 on the higway (before Pete-ing).. Have a feeling initially it was more. I am now due for a tyre change - My rims are 8 holed ones I have had the problems of a slight shudder between 100 -120 kmph etc which other threads in this forum have attributed to "PCD & Offset". I would like to know the following 1. What is the PCD and offset for this size'd rim on an Accent? 2. How to deduce these on this/any other rim. 3. Is a 6J rims better or should I go for a 6.5 J rim in 14".. less flex, better cornering stability? - what are the downsides if any? (Tolerance according to http://www.tongseng.com.hk/Page/Product/G3.html#14inch is apparently 5.5 - 7.0") 4. Are FORGED alloys available in India - I am told these are marginaly more expensive than aluminium alloys - but lighter! (steering effort!) 5. What is a tyre to use - Bridgestone G3/Yokohama AVS100/Dunlop Sp9000/ Pirelli 6000's? I see a lot of nice things on the forum about the Yokos - - I do a lot of highway - roads are a mixture of good highways (becoming rarer and rarer) and some very rough state highways. And YES - it RAINS BIG time in Kerala! Do not want to compromise on Grip, Handling & Ride. Rough road manners/ Low noise will help - and yes the tyres should at least last 35+k under the above mentioned "normal" conditions. (dont want any of the soft compounds - I have a nose heavy diesel!) Pls help @!!@ Last edited by kb100 : 21st March 2006 at 00:03.
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21st March 2006, 15:35	#3
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	Thanks KP... ALL ALLOY 'n TYRE GURUS... Pls HELP!!
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22nd March 2006, 12:25	#4
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	For tyres,i'd suggest Dunlop FM901s. Our member '5u3zero' has them on his Palio GTX and after the track experience,i'd vouch for them. Check his gallery. Don't go for the V-treads like EagleF1s or Yoko ES100s since they're not meant for broken highways.
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23rd March 2006, 09:56	#8
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	They were like 'quickfix'. The dunlops glued the GTX onto the track. They did squeal at tight corners ,but not a single hint of traction-loss. I was IMPRESSED!!
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23rd March 2006, 21:20	#9
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	.. SIGHhhhhh..... You bring a problem to the Forum... and you walk away with MORE options!!!
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24th March 2006, 20:25	#10
ScarySkulls BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 623 Thanked: 34 Times	Shouldn't going up in rim size help making the gearing taller. I mean that that should be done. Right..??? I remember it hitting rev limit in top gear on a highway run.
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24th March 2006, 21:03	#11
S@~+#0$# BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 42 Times View My Garage	Forged rims are available in India. Have a look at the 2006 HR catalogue, you'll find around 5 wheel patterns of a brand called Magline which are marketed by HR. The rims are excellent and quite light compared to the regular HR/League wheels. However, they are available in 15 inch and above are available. They are priced slightly higher than the HR range but I feel they are well worth their price.
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24th March 2006, 21:19	#12
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	>.. And wonder if 205/55's in 15" will scuff... have to ask Drifter that - I think he uses SP9000's of the same size..
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24th March 2006, 21:53	#14
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	Yup!!.. You are right!... DRIFTER _ YOUR INPUTS PLZ!!! There are a few ppl here promising me to get me forged alloys in 14"... got to be careful with these claims- met three shysters yesterday alone!!
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24th March 2006, 21:55	#15
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	And the tyre... I need some alternative to the 901's Last edited by kb100 : 24th March 2006 at 21:57.
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