[deepfusion]

Hello All!

I also have a query.

I recently bought a M800 ac with alloys and tyres size 165/65 R13.

My query relates to :

The ride quality.

The effect on suspension.

The mileage.

[auto-one]

Today I replaced my 6.5 years old stock tyres of my M800.(4 tyres)Though the car has run only 40,800 kms.,I found it necessary to change the tyres because of late, the tyres were found to be hardened and subsequently more susceptible to frequent punctures.
I also decided to change the old steel rims with new ones.
Since I was looking for tubless ones and intended upsizing, the dealer showed me Yokohama 165/60R12 and Michelin 155/70R12,while recommending the latter.The dealer didn't recommend 145/80R12.
I went for the Michelin 155/70R12, and here is what I paid:
1.Cost of 4 tyres= Rs.8,700/-( Rs.2,175/-each),Plus
2.Wheel Balancing =Rs.170/-,Plus
3.Wheel allingment =Rs.200/-,Less
cost of my old tyres and rim ( 4 nos.) =Rs.1,000/-
Net I paid Rs.8,070/-
Plus I got a free Reebok Tee and a track pant, which as per the dealer was the company offer.
The dealer has recommended tyre rotation,wheel balancing and allignment after every 5,000 k.ms. as well as nitrogen checking every month.
Now here are my initial impressions after the tyre chage:
1.The ride is more smooth ( but remember its still a M800 )
2.Braking is more confidence inspiring ( still its a M800 )
3.Tyre noise has reduced.
I will try to post more details after I cover some more kms.

[Raccoon]

^^^ Which dealer is this? And you got paid 1,000 bucks for old worn tyres and rims (where they rusted?)?

[auto-one]

Originally Posted by Raccoon

^^^ Which dealer is this? And you got paid 1,000 bucks for old worn tyres and rims (where they rusted?)?

The dealer is Lokmanya tyres.
One rim was bent.Regarding the tyres, one tyre was nearing to its end,while another was not too far behind.The other two tyres could have lasted for another 5k.
Did I get a fair deal from the dealer?

[Raccoon]

^^^Sorry, I don't know the current prices to comment on whether you got a good deal. However, the fact (in isolation) that you got 1k for old tyres and rims seems good...as I wasn't offered even one buck for my old tyres at the same shop. Maybe they were offered for your rims.

Also, IIRC I was charged Rs. 250 extra for wheel alignment as against Rs. 200 you paid. But thats for Esteem... do they have different charges for different cars? Don't remember how much I paid for balancing.

[sukiwa]

Originally Posted by auto-one

Since I was looking for tubless ones and intended upsizing, the dealer showed me Yokohama 165/60R12 and Michelin 155/70R12,while recommending the latter.

I feel 165/60R12 is more appropriate upgrade rather than 155/70R12. Hope that you have got Michelin XM1+.

The dealer didn't recommend 145/80R12.

Dealer is correct as this stock size for Alto whereas stock size for 800 is 145/70R12.

Net I paid Rs.8,070/-

good deal.

Originally Posted by Raccoon

Also, IIRC I was charged Rs. 250 extra for wheel alignment as against Rs. 200 you paid. But thats for Esteem... do they have different charges for different cars? Don't remember how much I paid for balancing.

Yes, wheel balancing charges vary among vehicle categories. Wheel balancing charges would depend amount of add-on weights used during balancing.

[humyum]

Originally Posted by sukiwa

I feel 165/60R12 is more appropriate upgrade rather than 155/70R12. Hope that you have got Michelin XM1+.

Dealer is correct as this stock size for Alto whereas stock size for 800 is 145/70R12.

good deal.



Yes, wheel balancing charges vary among vehicle categories. Wheel balancing charges would depend amount of add-on weights used during balancing.

145/80/R12 is perfect size if you want a good ride quality + Increase in ground clearance.

Had it in my 800 for more than a year before I sold it, the other owner is still running on those tyres. Never had any rubbing problems at full load nor at full turn circles.

Even Ram Sir has it in his Maruti 800

[auto-one]

I got Rs.150/each for the rims and Rs.100/- each for the tyres.Yes the tyres are Michelin XM1+.
Yesterday I got to drive on some bad roads ( Pune-Panshet).
The ride is better now on bumps and smooth tarmac, however I didnt notice any major change encountering pot holes, nor in the handling.
Also, I feel my car needs some suspension stiffening ( this has nothing to do with the tyre change).I will post more details about the ride and handling,once I get the work done.

[vivekgk]

Originally Posted by humyum

145/80/R12 is perfect size if you want a good ride quality + Increase in ground clearance.

Had it in my 800 for more than a year before I sold it, the other owner is still running on those tyres. Never had any rubbing problems at full load nor at full turn circles.

Even Ram Sir has it in his Maruti 800

Why do tyre dealers everywhere give out dire warnings whenever 800 owners ask for 145/80R12? The guy talked me into getting 165/60R12 Yokohama A539s. And I know it's not about the price, because the 145/80s he had were more expensive than the Yokos. I liked the look of the Yokos, and it was an important factor in my selection. They're asymmetrical, but not unidirectional, so rotation is normal 'X' type and not restricted to one side. Another advantage is that it can be used for spare too. The sidewall markings show which side should face outwards.

I checked the tyre date, it was a couple of months before purchase. And the tyres are Amazing! Minimal tyre noise, excellent grip on corners both in the dry and in the wet, they look wicked even on stock steel rims, and the ride quality is so much better! Too bad they come only in limited sizes. I've been using them for a couple of months and a couple of thousand kms. I was worried that the steering would be harder, but it's fine, the change isn't noticable unless the tyre pressure drops too low.

I would happily recommend these tyres to any 800. Not Alto owners though, because of speedo error of about -6%. For 800, the error is -1%.

[qqplus]

I have a 2003 M800AC (50000km) with factory fitted CEAT radials.

I intend to install new tyres. Looking for a proper upgrade.

As I understand from the posts in the thread, 155/70R12 seems to be the best option.

Do suggest me if any better option is there.

ALSO, one question that I have, is, what are the thin tyres that we see on most of the sports cars... can we fit them to regular cars?, say for example M800?... where do we get those?

[kingofmyworld]

Originally Posted by qqplus

I have a 2003 M800AC (50000km) with factory fitted CEAT radials.

I intend to install new tyres. Looking for a proper upgrade.

As I understand from the posts in the thread, 155/70R12 seems to be the best option.

Do suggest me if any better option is there.

ALSO, one question that I have, is, what are the thin tyres that we see on most of the sports cars... can we fit them to regular cars?, say for example M800?... where do we get those?

Thin tires? You mean the side wall? If yes, then those are low profile tires and for those tires, you need to upsize your rims to 14" . These increase handling and obviously LOOKS. But pulls down the comfort levels drastically.

[sureshshanmugam]

Hi,
I have been riding on Bridgestone Turanza 145/80 R12 on Aura alloys for the past 3 yrs around 20K Kms. There are no issues in handling, braking and steering. I would recommend this for M800. It has enhanced the looks too...
Below are the pics.

[dr.faramroze]

145/80r12 has biggest sidewall when compared to 145/70r12, 155/70r12 and even 165/60r12. G3 potenza bridgestone 165/60r12 has good attributes but a little less side wall height than 145/70r12, so ride quality may not improve. But I wonder what could be the benefit in 165/65r13 on M-800.

[qqplus]

Suresh,
Great pictures ! and you have a greatly maintained car out there. I liked it. I liked the wheels too.

Well ok ill think about this option and give a strong consideration too. I'll decide right at the time of buying after actually having a look at both (and if any other) available options.

Thanks a lot to Suresh and Dr. Faramroze. I appreciate.

[josejoseph]

Originally Posted by sureshshanmugam

Hi,
I have been riding on Bridgestone Turanza 145/80 R12 on Aura alloys for the past 3 yrs around 20K Kms. There are no issues in handling, braking and steering. I would recommend this for M800. It has enhanced the looks too...
Below are the pics.

Suresh, that is a nice car you got there. And the alloys and wheels are also great.

What other mods have you done to the car?

Can you tell me how much did the alloys and tires cost you?

Thanks,
Jose.