[Rocky_Balboa]

Originally Posted by manim

A tyre blowout can be dangerous? Can you share more details about how it happened?

I too have PLC's (on my Civic).

Oops.
Apologies for not giving enough information, the tyre actually took a hit.

I was driving on the BETL (Bangalore) at 60 to 70kph, when a brick (clay, red) was thrown (flew ) from the other side onto my path. The front left drove over the brick and what followed was an instant blowout.

[prithwi-81]

Comparison on the sidewall strength/stiffness.






i20 has Primacy 3 ST (60 sidewall).
Punto and Polo have Yoko S drives (Polo with 55 sidewall, Punto with 60 i think).

Bottom line -Primacy 3 ST is definitely softer.. a LOT softer than the Yoko S drives, which makes them great for daily driving, but terrible for performance driving.

[deetjohn]

Originally Posted by prithwi-81

Bottom line -Primacy 3 ST is definitely softer.. a LOT softer than the Yoko S drives, which makes them great for daily driving, but terrible for performance driving.

Agree the S drives have stiffer sidewalls. But that i20 is on gravel. Won't the tyres dig in when cornered hard? I guess the photos above doesn't portray the whole picture as the surfaces are quite different.

[akshay4587]

Originally Posted by prithwi-81

Comparison on the sidewall strength/stiffness.

i20 has Primacy 3 ST (60 sidewall).
Punto and Polo have Yoko S drives (Polo with 55 sidewall, Punto with 60 i think).

Bottom line -Primacy 3 ST is definitely softer.. a LOT softer than the Yoko S drives, which makes them great for daily driving, but terrible for performance driving.

Punto comes with 195/60/15 stock tires and S drive isn't available in that size,so this should be 205/55/15 as well.

[shetty_rohan]

Originally Posted by prithwi-81

Bottom line -Primacy 3 ST is definitely softer.. a LOT softer than the Yoko S drives, which makes them great for daily driving, but terrible for performance driving.

Prithwi: First of all thank you for the practical demonstration.

When I look into the back wheel of the i20, it seems to be having much softer suspension(compared Polo/Punto). May be a one more round of test with the similar cars(having the similiar kind of suspension and different tires) would help.

[prithwi-81]

Pic of the i20 in the same corner.

[Akshay1234]

Originally Posted by prithwi-81

Comparison on the sidewall strength/stiffness.

i20 has Primacy 3 ST (60 sidewall).
Punto and Polo have Yoko S drives (Polo with 55 sidewall, Punto with 60 i think).

Bottom line -Primacy 3 ST is definitely softer.. a LOT softer than the Yoko S drives, which makes them great for daily driving, but terrible for performance driving.

Isn't it futile to compare luxury tyres on a car with bad handling to performance tyres on a car with a better suspension?

Also the Punto can't be on 60 profiles, S Drives aren't available in 60 profile.

[prithwi-81]

Originally Posted by akshay1234

Isn't it futile to compare luxury tyres on a car with bad handling to performance tyres on a car with a better suspension?

Also the Punto can't be on 60 profiles, S Drives aren't available in 60 profile.

Agreed, just made the post as the comparison was already being discussed.

[Nikhilb2008]

This is not the correct way to test tyres. The surface is all wrong.

Secondly, most of the tyres grip is generated by the compound of the tyre. The sidewall flexing does not play a huge role in cornering performance. Maybe if you are on a track, it may make a marginally bigger difference but it's still very minor.

[joecherian]

How is this Michelin P 3ST in terms of sidewall strength when compared to PLC ?
For my ANHC, it is time to replace by Michelin XM1 and am confused between PLC and P3 ST.

[Nikhilb2008]

You shoudnt be confused! PLC is phased out!

In any case, tje P3ST seems to the stronger but no guarantees as of now as the initial bunch of users are still using it.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by joecherian

For my ANHC, it is time to replace by Michelin XM1 and am confused between PLC and P3 ST.

In Michelin Primacy 3 ST is the latest and greatest specifically made for Indian type of scenarios. So why settle for anything less?

Also, I heard going forward in Michelin there will be only 2 models

Uptil 15" it will be XM series and 15"+ will be Primacy 3 ST. Is this true?

After a lot of contemplation and unavailability of PS3 tyres, I decided to settle for Michelin Primacy 3 ST in stock (205/60/R16) size for my Cruze.

Any feedback by users who have used it for sometime will really help

[joecherian]

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

You shoudnt be confused! PLC is phased out!

In any case, tje P3ST seems to the stronger but no guarantees as of now as the initial bunch of users are still using it.

Thanks Nikhil. Most probably will end up with the same... Chennai price is 6300

[mobike008]

Installed these tyres on my Cruze. Thanks Karan, Santosh and Nikhil for your inputs

Details on my thread :-

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ml#post3270423

[mobike008]

Sorry for the back to back post.

I have penned a few lines and compared the Primacy 3 ST with my earlier tyres which were Continental Premium Contact 2

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ml#post3273301