[harry10]

Originally Posted by FusioN

Guys, continuing from my above post,
My dealer has recommended me to change my existing Michelin P3st 195 to Michelin XM2 (175) instead of the XM1 (175)

What would you guys suggest..
Thanks

Get the Xm2. They are really good tires and whoever I have recommended these has turned out to be a very satisfying buyer.

[Nishit]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

I see a lot of confusion in this thread so let me try and make it simpler.

First of all. OE size = 175/65-15

Q) Do I need to upsize or go for better tyres in same size?

A) If your changing tyres then you must upsize. 175 is woefully inadequate for a car like the City. Either don't change the tyres at all or upsize. There's no sense in changing rubber to same size as the benefits will not be felt as much. If you're lucky to have got the Michelin's and you're a sedate driver then don't bother changing at all.

Q) What's the best upsize?

A) There are 3 upsizes possible without changing the rim. All 3 sizes have pros and cons listed below:

Option 1: 195/60-15.

Pros: This is the best upsize option available. Overall diameter only has a 1% error. You get much better grip thanks to the 195 width and the increase in overall diameter results in 3mm ground clearance increase.

Cons: Some dealers will threaten to void warranty depending on your rappo with them. You may also see a 0.5Kmpl drop in FE.

Option 2: 185/60-15.

Pros: Least error in overall diameter i.e. closest to OE and you will get a lower stance.

Cons: You will lose 3mm ground clearance.

Option 3: 185/65-15

Pros: Maximum increase in ground clearance.

Cons: This may foul with the wheel wells when turning depending on tyres opted for. Some tyres even of same tyre width are actually wider thanks to the sidewall design. So try them out before fitting. It will also look a bit odd as sidewall height is more.

Other options:
- If you go anything more than 195 like 205 then be warned that you will need to change alloys to a bigger rim width. While you may be able to fit 205 on OE rims, they will balloon outwards and will reduce the grip.

- If you decide to change to 16" rims then be warned ride quality will be affected slightly.

Hey Vid6639, I am currently running 175/65 R15s Michelin XM1 on my Honda city.
The tyres have become hard and have got some cracks on the side walls.
Since I am changing the tyres though of upsizing them to 195/60 R15 as per your advice (on Stock Alloys).
The only confusion now is whether to go for Michelin XM2s or Yoko S drive 2 ?
I drive for 4 days a week and am looking for performance, comfort as well as durability.
Would be of great help if you and everybody else can advice me on this .

[breezydrive]

If you really want to see real benefit of upgrade, go for Continental CC 5.

XM2 - Isn't as grippy

Yokohama - is noisy

My 2 cents based on my personal experience after upgrade from stock michelins in my ANHC.

[Nishit]

As per my last post, I had gon to check out some tyres today for an upsize on my honda city (2009), which are currently on Michelin XM! 175/65/r15.
I was specifically looking out for Michelin Primacy 3ST 195/60/R15, however the dealer was trying to convince me hard for Yoko Earth 1 or Bridgestone potenza both 195s.
Cost wise the Yokos (Rs 4300) were very cheaper than Michelin (6000) and Bridgestone (5600).
I had read reviews on XM2 and 3ST on this thread only, so was looking out for these only , please suggest which one is the best and is paying a premium on Michelins worth it ?
I am planning to get it changed in a day or 2.

please suggest !!

[Nishit]

Originally Posted by breezydrive

If you really want to see real benefit of upgrade, go for Continental CC 5.

XM2 - Isn't as grippy

Yokohama - is noisy

My 2 cents based on my personal experience after upgrade from stock michelins in my ANHC.

Thanks a lot !! , I will have a look at CC 5 too. Also wat is your take on Michelin Primacy 3st ? Its a bit costly but the reviews are good.
Do you recommend these ?

[Nishit]

Originally Posted by harry10

Get the Xm2. They are really good tires and whoever I have recommended these has turned out to be a very satisfying buyer.

Hey you think Primacy 3St is better than XM2 ? on basis of overall performance ? Please suggest

[FusioN]

Well, I haven't seen anyone complain about the Michelin 3st upgrade to 195.

I find the grip to be super but
why do I feel my car too bumpy and that loud bang noise the time my car enters a road joint or a pothole..

Any views in this dilemma of mine, if anyone can really help me

[Nishit]

I am facing this problem with my XM 1 s currently but I guess that is because the tyre has hardened and the its run almost 40k kms now.

The P3ST has been said to have stronger side walls compared to PLC , might be the hardened rubber compound is making ur ride a lill bumpy

Also how many kms have ur 3STs run ?

Also P3ST are the latest roll out from Michelin so I think there is a lot of tech involved , also they tout of being made for bad roads !!

I am planning to get P3STs tomorrow !!!
Now looking at your post I am confused !! 😕

[FusioN]

Well, my car has barely done a 1k kms,
I am based in mumbai, you can take a test on my drive to clear your confusion.

[Nishit]

Originally Posted by FusioN

Well, my car has barely done a 1k kms,
I am based in mumbai, you can take a test on my drive to clear your confusion.

Thanks a lot FusioN !!!! also where did you buy these from ?

I had made a visit to Bombay Tires , near Dahisar check naka (as I stay in Borivali) and he quoted 5950 for 1. Is this a good price ? All others also gave me a similar rate 200-250 bucks diff.

Michelin India site has him as their certified dealer.

I haven't still spoken to him regarding exchange on my XM1s , don't think they will fetch me any major discounts !! Still what's your opinion on this ?
My Xm1s have done about 40K kms , the tread depth is still good , but it has cracks in the side walls and the rubber has hardened like crazy.

How much do you think they will fetch me ?

[FusioN]

Well, I paid 15k for a set of 5tyres in exchange for stock Goodyear tyres at delivery.

I put up at Juhu, got my tyres from santacruz ( Saifee tyres)

But my experience with 3st hasn't been grt, the only problem being it too loud on road joints n pot holes, rest they are grt..

[FusioN]

I'll mostly decide this week on going for Michelin XM2 (175 profile) against my Michelins (195 profile) currently.

The only concern being it shudn't disappoint me this time.

Hope u guys would guide me like always on this if I am going wrong
Thanks

[Nishit]

Originally Posted by FusioN

I'll mostly decide this week on going for Michelin XM2 (175 profile) against my Michelins (195 profile) currently.

The only concern being it shudn't disappoint me this time.

Hope u guys would guide me like always on this if I am going wrong
Thanks

Any particular reason you are going back to stock size ?

Your P3STs are just 1K kms old right ?

[FusioN]

Yes, my P3STs are just abt 1kms oldd..

Like I have mentioned above, my ride has gone way bumpy.

Though handling and grip is fine but my Suspensions seem to be dead.

I'll be coming around malad side in a couple of days, lemme kno if u wish to catch up,,

[Nishit]

Originally Posted by FusioN

Yes, my P3STs are just abt 1kms oldd..

Like I have mentioned above, my ride has gone way bumpy.

Though handling and grip is fine but my Suspensions seem to be dead.

I'll be coming around malad side in a couple of days, lemme kno if u wish to catch up,,

Sure thing !! lemme know when you are this side, we can definitely catch up .
here is my number - 9920561039