[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by Raghav96

Hi guys,

My city needs new shoes for her and this time I am thinking of going for 195/60/r15. I have couple of questions so experienced bhpians please help me decide.

1) Is it safe to put 195/60 size on stock alloys?


2) Which tyre to go for?

I have changed the tires on my City V MT to 195/60 R15 Michelin P4ST a little more than a year and 10,000 kms back. Fantastic upgrade and no complaints thus far. Good comfort and good grip on the tires. Though Michelins were on the slightly higher price band as compared to Yokohamas (which is the other brand I was considering), I felt the price differential was well worth it. The upgrade is absolutely safe and tried/tested. You can go for the upgrade without any worries whatsoever.

I would suggest the Michelins from my personal experience, though I have not tried the Perfinzas yet (I hear they are great tires as well). You can't go wrong with either of these options.

[samkat1]

Dear fellow TBHPians,

I know that for VMT model 195/60 R15 is the most popular model. However, I just need to understand what's the demerit of going with 205/55 R15? I was just doing a spec comparison and found that the later one has a minimal % variance w.r.t overall circumference. Please help me clarify this confusion.

[echo77]

Originally Posted by samkat1

Dear fellow TBHPians,

I know that for VMT model 195/60 R15 is the most popular model. However, I just need to understand what's the demerit of going with 205/55 R15? I was just doing a spec comparison and found that the later one has a minimal % variance w.r.t overall circumference. Please help me clarify this confusion.

You will likely need to upgrade alloys to handle 205 width, at which point you can even consider going the 16" way, and that is why 195 is a more popular upgrade, as it is within the limits of stock rims.

See table in this post for reference: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post2455265 (Does anyone buy a Honda City anymore?! Oops! I did-and fell in love with it!!)

[Raghav96]

Originally Posted by samkat1

what's the demerit of going with 205/55 R15?

If I am not wrong bhpian shreyas jain is running this set up on the stock alloy of honda city so you may not have to change the alloy but 205 profile is the maximum size which can be put on the stock alloy so choose wisely.

205 will jut out of the body and stones/debris will hit the doors and rear bumper. The acceleration and fuel efficiency will reduce considerably(195 upgrade results in 1-1.5kmpl reduction in fuel efficiency, no idea about 205).

[samkat1]

Originally Posted by echo77

You will likely need to upgrade alloys to handle 205 width, at which point you can even consider going the 16" way, and that is why 195 is a more popular upgrade, as it is within the limits of stock rims.

See table in this post for reference: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post2455265 (Does anyone buy a Honda City anymore?! Oops! I did-and fell in love with it!!)

Just what I was looking for... So it's pretty clear that with 5.5J width, I need to keep it to a max of 195.

Thanks, mate!!!

[KC105]

Hi all,

What is your opinion on the XM2+ vs the Goodyear assurance triple max 2 in the stock size? Other suggestions for stock sizes are welcome. Also the dealer was telling me that Goodyear has a 2 year warranty of sidewall cut etc. is there any truth to that. Lastly my Honda City is mainly a car driven by the driver in the city and an occasional highway run so does it make any sense to upgrade to 195/60 R15?

Thanks.

[MoinDanawala]

I own a new 2015 Honda City with company fitted Goodyear 175/65/15 (on steel wheels), which have run 41k mostly in the city (Mumbai)

I am looking to upgrade my tyres as my service center has been recommending the same for the last 1 year but more so because I intend keep the car for longer and rather upgrade tyres now than later

From what I have come across dealers recommend upgrading to 195/60 while the authorised service centers recommend sticking to 175/65 or max upgrade to 185/60

I have read a lot of reviews on this thread but no clear consensus, would be great if some one could help clear the confusion stated below:

A) 195/60 vs. 185/60: I understand clearly that the mileage would drop a little bit (0.5-1.0 kmpl), but there is little clarity on what could be potential running impact on other important aspects For e.g. 195/60 tyres rubbing against the car body, long term tyre life of 195 vs 185 vs 175.

B) Anyone tried installing 185s or 195s on steel rims as i don't want to upgrade to alloys? - Particularly on 195 as there were comments on bulging possibility.

C) While there are consistent good reviews on Michelins but confusing counters which complain of soft rubber compound not recommended for city driving. Would be great if someone could speak from experience of running Michelin XM2 on Mumbai roads or similar specifically about if there are cuts, punctures on regular basis after a couple of years of use

D) Anyone has tried installing new tyres recently in Mumbai and can help with dealer experience off late as I could only find very dated (more than 7 years old) dealer experience posts.

E) Lastly in case the Michelins are not available at good prices due to import issues cited by a few dealers, which other brand is highly recommended for the Honda City? - One of the dealers told me Continental

Looking forward to your kind and expert responses.
Also posting my purchase and dealer review on this thread once I finalise the purchase in the next week or so.

TIA

[Yakuza]

Originally Posted by MoinDanawala

I am looking to upgrade my tyres as my service center has been recommending the same for the last 1 year but more so because I intend keep the car for longer and rather upgrade tyres now than later

Get 185/65/15. Mileage drop will be negligible, will fit perfect on your steel wheels and will give you better ride quality.

[MoinDanawala]

Thanks Yakuza, the 185/65 seems to be more recommended than 185/60 - although the speedometer error increases to +2.1% from -0.9%. I guess both of these are well under control but guess with 185/65 I will get some additional ground clearance so that should be better.

The 185 clearly seems to be winning against the 195 for now.

I guess the problem to solve for now is the tyre make, as Michelins are out of stock (atleast in Bombay) due to import issues and guess not back in stock for another month.

Would appreciate help now on other tyre brands and reasons for preferring those - as my research was primarily focused on Michelins so far

Dealers are out of stock of Michelins in Mumbai due to import issues
Now which one would you recommend?

Also a dealer recommend going for 185/65/15 vs 195/60/15 stating that my car is 5 years old and the shock ups might not be able to sustain. Also there might be issues on bumps - can you please also advise on the same

Originally Posted by Yakuza

Get 185/65/15. Mileage drop will be negligible, will fit perfect on your steel wheels and will give you better ride quality.

Originally Posted by pavi

I would vote for Michelin XM2, been using it for more than 41,000 kms and I have only praises for Michelin. I have 195/60/15 section tires and the improvement in ride comfort, noise reduction, braking etc. are considerably good that the higher prices are justified.

If you have already bought tires, please let us know which one you went for.

Originally Posted by Su-47

Like many others before me, I came to this thread looking for answers on what to do about the skinny OEM tyres on my (hopefully) soon to arrive Honda City. After spending a good deal of time to go over every post on this thread and another one here: [https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-...e-thread.html] (Honda City : Tyre & wheel upgrade thread)), I found answers to most of my questions. Summarizing my findings, in case it helps others

Wow, fantastic review, thanks for this - you have me convinced on 195/60/15. Just need some advice here

A dealer told me given I have steel wheels, any upgrade whether 185 or 195 will not prove its purpose hence I should stick to the stock 175/65/15 wheels even if I want new tyres

Dealers are out of stock of Michelins in Mumbai due to import with no clear sight of new stock - Now which brand would you recommend?

Lastly, another dealer recommended going for 185/65/15 vs 195/60/15 stating that my car is 5 years old (I bought the new 4th gen honda city in 2015) and the shock ups might not be able to sustain the 195s. Also there might be issues on bumps in 195s

The circumference difference is lower in 195s than 185s so I am not sure why are they recommending 185s

I am looking to make the purchase in the next week, any guidance will be appreciated.

Originally Posted by arindambasu13

I have changed the tires on my City V MT to 195/60 R15 Michelin P4ST a little more than a year and 10,000 kms back. Fantastic upgrade and no complaints thus far. Good comfort and good grip on the tires. Though Michelins were on the slightly higher price band as compared to Yokohamas (which is the other brand I was considering), I felt the price differential was well worth it. The upgrade is absolutely safe and tried/tested. You can go for the upgrade without any worries whatsoever.

I would suggest the Michelins from my personal experience, though I have not tried the Perfinzas yet (I hear they are great tires as well). You can't go wrong with either of these options.

Hi Arindam, just wanted to check if you have had any issues in a fully loaded car (5ppl + luggage), some dealers have told me this is an issue with 195/60 and recommended 185/65

Although I can't get my head around it logically as the circumference error is lower in 195/60 than 185/65

You first hand experience will be of great help

Originally Posted by neel911

Correct. After upsizing to 195/60R15 Michelin P3ST and ensuring the tyre pressure is maintained, I've not scraped the bottom yet while driving through the horrendous Bangalore roads full of potholes which deserve some Guinness Book of Records like award . This is with at times 4 adult passengers in car.

Thanks Neel
Given Michelins are out of stock, which is the next most recommended brand according to you

[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by MoinDanawala

Hi Arindam, just wanted to check if you have had any issues in a fully loaded car (5ppl + luggage), some dealers have told me this is an issue with 195/60 and recommended 185/65

Not at all. I have travelled several thousand kms with 4 adult people plus luggage (on one instance with 5 people plus luggage), and have not faced any issues at all. Ground clearance over bad city roads is quite OK as well, other then really bad speed breakers (I mean real high ones which you might come across once in a while) which one needs to take at dead speeds. Otherwise, there is no issue that I have perceived at all. Have driven close to 14,000 kms with this tire size with no real issues to speak of. You can go ahead and upgrade to 195/60 R15 without any misgivings.

[MoinDanawala]

Originally Posted by arindambasu13

Not at all. I have travelled several thousand kms with 4 adult people plus luggage (on one instance with 5 people plus luggage), and have not faced any issues at all. Ground clearance over bad city roads is quite OK as well, other then really bad speed breakers (I mean real high ones which you might come across once in a while) which one needs to take at dead speeds. Otherwise, there is no issue that I have perceived at all. Have driven close to 14,000 kms with this tire size with no real issues to speak of. You can go ahead and upgrade to 195/60 R15 without any misgivings.

Thanks for the prompt response Arindam

2 quick follow-up questions:

I also read that FE falls from 16kmpl to 14kmpl on highway and 9kmpl to 7kmpl in the city - can you please confirm how much has your car been clocking?

Unfortunately Michelins are out of stock everywhere in Bombay, so I am evaluating other brands - any recommendations?

[car_guy1998]

Almost fixed on getting Yokohama Earth-1 195/60R15 for my 2014 Honda City iDTEC as the present tyres,Yokohama S-Drives 195/60R15 has run close to 50K Kms and front two tyres are worn out while rear two tyres are still in good condition though I'll be changing all 4 tyres soon.

Apart from Yokohama Earth-1,which brand tyres are best?Our main criteria is ride and comfort as the car is driven by mulitple people(myself,my parents and driver).

[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by car_guy1998

Apart from Yokohama Earth-1,which brand tyres are best?Our main criteria is ride and comfort as the car is driven by mulitple people(myself,my parents and driver).

Michelin P4ST in the same size is what I am running on my CIty. However, given the shortage of imported tires in the market currently, I am not sure whether Michelins would be readily available. If they are, then these are a good option though in a slightly higher price bracket than the Yokohamas. I was using the Earth-1 on my earlier car, and the comfort and grip upgrade with the Michelins is very palpable.

[car_guy1998]

Originally Posted by arindambasu13

Michelin P4ST in the same size is what I am running on my CIty. However, given the shortage of imported tires in the market currently, I am not sure whether Michelins would be readily available. If they are, then these are a good option though in a slightly higher price bracket than the Yokohamas. I was using the Earth-1 on my earlier car, and the comfort and grip upgrade with the Michelins is very palpable.

But as per recent sources,Michelins are out of stock and are not available anywhere.Even,my dad told me to get the Michelins but I told him politely that Michelins are not available here anymore due to ban of imports here in India due to COVID.

But,sadly,I've to get Yokohamas once again and have Earth-1 on our Innova as well and it has run more than 40,000 Kms and has decent life on it.

[sai_ace]

Originally Posted by car_guy1998

Almost fixed on getting Yokohama Earth-1 195/60R15 for my 2014 Honda City iDTEC as the present tyres,Yokohama S-Drives 195/60R15 has run close to 50K Kms and front two tyres are worn out while rear two tyres are still in good condition though I'll be changing all 4 tyres soon.

Apart from Yokohama Earth-1,which brand tyres are best?Our main criteria is ride and comfort as the car is driven by mulitple people(myself,my parents and driver).

Why not the Continental MC5? Highly rated by folks here and as per the below link, cheaper as well.

https://www.tyremarket.com/Search/Car-Tyres/195-60-R15

I personally avoided the Earth1 after reports of hardening after 20K kms. This was corroborated by a Yoko tyre dealer as well.

Would have have suggested the Perfinza by MRF, but they are priced much higher and availability seems a suspect.

PS:not associated with Tyremarket.com, but am an extremely satisfied customer and have shared my experience elsewhere on the forum as well.