[tazmaan]

Originally Posted by tazmaan

Changed the Tyre's on the Jazz yesterday. The current MRF's had aged and cracked at 30000 kms and 5.5 years.

After using the Conti's for over 2 weeks I can surely say that there is a huge difference from the old MRF's.

The ride is much smoother, Road noise on concrete roads especially over joints is down drastically. The steering has got a bit heavier which I like, the suspension feels better over potholes, grip might have improved but I am not sure since the car is driven very sedately. Milage seems to be the same around 8 to 8.5 with short city drives.

Over all the drive feels new and the difference is felt even if I am not making an effort to notice it.

[AnAvgJoe]

Hi,

I have a 2016 1.2ivtec Jazz (the current model). The tyres (OEM - Bridgestone) that came with the car are now past their prime at around 25,000km. I’ve never been happy with the OEM tyre size of 175/65 R15 (both in terms of the grip provided and aesthetics - the car looks like it’s on bicycle tyres, the Jazz is a wide car and the tyres are too narrow).

After reading this thread, my choices were clearer, 195/60 or 185/65 both R15 (I don’t plan to change the alloys that came with the Jazz originally). After some consideration I’ve more or less decided to go for the 195/60 R15 size for the reasons enumerated below (please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong)

1) The change in circumference is 1.1%, this means that the space saver (God forbid that I ever have to use it), which i do not plan to change will not be too different from the upgraded tyres (no instability in the drive, if I ever have to drive with the space saver)
2) The 195 tyres should take care of the Jazz looking under-tyred (if this is even a term ).
3) As the sidewall profile remains close to stock, this should prevent any increase in the vagueness of the steering (lower profile tyres do not deform as much while cornering).


However, before I do take the plunge (195/60 R15), I have a few doubts that I hope Bhpians with better knowledge and experience will be able to clear. I will list the doubts below. Any help will be much appreciated.

1) Do the 195/60 tyres cause any problems with rubbing in the wheel well, both at full compression of the suspension and on full turns of the steering wheel?
2) Is there a noticeable drop in acceleration (the petrol Jazz’s Achilles heel)?
3) Are there any issues with the power steering mechanism (it’s ability to cope with the added resistance of 11% more rubber)? I’ve seen people upgrading the power steering on Wranglers after upsizing their tyres (granted that the upsizing is much more than a 11% change).
4) Is there any drop in the handling due to increase in the unsprung weight (granted, I might be overthinking it here)?
5) How does the suspension cope with tyre, especially over potholes and mountainous speed bumps?
6) Is there a huge drop in fuel economy (i currently get about 9km/l in the city)?
7) Is there a change in the recommended tyre PSI from the OEM to the upsized 195/60 tyre?
8) Should I stick to the speed rating of the OEM tyre or should I go better?

Thank you in advance.

[neil.jericho]

I am on my second set of 195/60 tires on my Jazz. Dont worry about the shift, but since you listed your questions, let me try to answer them.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

1) Do the 195/60 tyres cause any problems with rubbing in the wheel well, both at full compression of the suspension and on full turns of the steering wheel?

No issues in 5 1/2 years.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

2) Is there a noticeable drop in acceleration (the petrol Jazz’s Achilles heel)?

I shifted on day 1, so I cant really say. But I did find the steering gets a little heavier. In my books, that is a good thing.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

3) Are there any issues with the power steering mechanism (it’s ability to cope with the added resistance of 11% more rubber)? I’ve seen people upgrading the power steering on Wranglers after upsizing their tyres (granted that the upsizing is much more than a 11% change).

Not observed to date.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

4) Is there any drop in the handling due to increase in the unsprung weight (granted, I might be overthinking it here)?

It handles better since the steering doesnt feel super light.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

5) How does the suspension cope with tyre, especially over potholes and mountainous speed bumps?

No issues.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

6) Is there a huge drop in fuel economy (i currently get about 9km/l in the city)?

Over the last 11 tankfulls, I have been getting an actual mileage of 11.23 kmpl in city conditions.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

7) Is there a change in the recommended tyre PSI from the OEM to the upsized 195/60 tyre?

I go between 31 - 33 depending on the petrol pump that I top the air from.

Originally Posted by AnAvgJoe

8) Should I stick to the speed rating of the OEM tyre or should I go better?

If it has the same minimum speed rating, you are fine. The Jazz isnt a hot performer anyways.

[AnAvgJoe]

Originally Posted by neil.jericho

I am on my second set of 195/60 tires on my Jazz. Dont worry about the shift, but since you listed your questions, let me try to answer them.

Thank you for the response. You’ve put my mind at ease. I can now go for the 195/60 R15 with a lot more confidence and peace of mind.

[eyesice]

I am planning to upgrade the rubber of my SV IVTEC (comes with steel rims) with 195/60/R15s.

On a side note, one of the original Honda wheel caps came off in traffic and I didn't realize it till I reached home.

Is there a way to source the original wheel caps in loose online? Honda service center quotes approx 5k for 4 wheel caps

Has anyone had experience with aftermarket wheel caps? Do they hold well?

[AnAvgJoe]

I finally got around to upgrading the tyres on my Jazz. Six months too late, thanks to the second wave and general tardiness on my part. . A special shout out to Neil.Jericho for his advice.


As one can see, the tyres were really tired (At 27,000km).


The OEM tyres that came with the car.


The stimulus to change the tyre ASAP. The presence of the screw did not cause the tyre to loose pressure though (Fortune, thou art a fickle mistress).


The new shoes.


As one can see, the wider tyres do not protrude out past the wheel arches.


Looks wider too.


I would like to reiterate a few points that others in the forum might have mentioned before, for the benefit of the ‘Doubting Thomas’s’ (I count as one among you).

1) There is no rubbing.
2) There is no perceptible drop in acceleration (city driving).
3) The steering does not feel any heavier.
4) The OEM (alloy) rims (5.5J*15) can theoretically take a tyre upto a 205mm cross section.
5) Haven’t driven enough to comment on the km/Lt.
6) 195/60 R15 has only a 4mm diameter difference compared to the original. Useful if I ever need to use the space saver in a pinch.


I do hope this helps clear up any doubts in the mind of those thinking of upgrading.

[JShah]

Hello fellow BHP'ians,

I own a pre-worshipped 2017 Honda Jazz V Ivtec.
The car came with very tasteful Momo alloys and Pirelli Cinturato P1 195/60 R15.

The car has run 35k kms, 10k of which was run by us, Somehow we are not happy with the ride quality, its very hard and even the smallest of bumps on the road give a jerk to the passengers sitting inside, a lot of times with a thud. It gets very unsettling. Its an amazing performer at higer speeds on smooth roads, but unfortunately our drive is limited to short city drives loaded with speed breakers and potholes.

I wanted your opinion on what should we change our tyres to, for a much more comfortable ride in the city.

[Josh1927]

Originally Posted by sram

After contemplating between mrf perfinza and continental UC6, finally went for UC6(195/60R15) couple of days back. Initial observations(in comparison with Stock Goodyear Assurance Triple max) are,

1) They are super quiet, Realized more on Concrete roads.
2) Comfort levels improved a lot, on stock tires a sharp thud and vibration passed in to the cabin while driving over the pot holes, Now they are quite muffled.
3) The steering became bit heavier at high speed , but no noticeable difference at low speeds.

Hi sram,
How have the tyres performed so far? How has the response been in terms of:

1. Mileage
2. Handling
3. Steering heaviness
4. Road noise
5. Road grip
6. Any other observations

I am also in for tires replacement for my dad's 2018 Jazz CVT. The stock MRF ZVTs have aged out in some 48000 kms. I am planning for 195/60/15s. His running comprises 70% highway and easily in the 80-110 kmph range.
Basis the recommendations on this thread, I just have narrowed down my list to MRF perfinza and Conti UC6.

I also called up a dealer and he wasn't in favour of the perfiinza, saying it's performance isn't good as Conti.
Need your suggestions here to finalize my choice.

Experts on the forum, please drop in your valuable comments as well

[AnAvgJoe]

Hi, I’ve just changed my tyres to Apollo 4GS 195/60 R15 from the OEM Bridgestone 175/65 R15. Like your car, mine too also has lived most of its near 5 years in the city, with just 2 out station trips (100km trips). A few of my observations after upsizing to the Apollo’s

1) The rider has certainly gotten smoother, the harshness has disappeared. To be perfectly honest, I never noticed the harshness of the OEM tyres until I drove on the newer set. Maybe it’s the younger rubber being more pliable or it could be that the Apollo’s have a better ride over broken urban roads.
I maybe wrong, but newer rubber, may be all you need. If you are thinking of more sidewall, I know someone who upgraded his city tyres from 175/65 R15 (same size as the Jazz) to 195/65 R15 and is very happy (better ground clearance, better ride and no rubbing).

2) My mileage has gone up to 10.5kmpl from 9.2 (from the cars avg. efficiency figures display over a few weeks of driving). My Dad has taken over the Jazz after the change of tyres and hence the improvement in mileage .
This is to reiterate that driving styles are more important to mileage figures than minor increases/decreases to tyre diameter.

P.S. Your MOMO alloys look fabulous.

[sram]

Originally Posted by Josh1927

Hi sram,
How have the tyres performed so far? How has the response been in terms of:

1. Mileage
2. Handling
3. Steering heaviness
4. Road noise
5. Road grip
6. Any other observations

Having completed nearly a year on them, my experience with them are:
Mileage - Dropped a bit.
Handling - It improved a bit in city usage(I didn't go on a long high way trip on it, so really can't comment on)
Steering heaviness - Increased, Initial days it was bit annoying at parking speeds, got used to it over time.
Road noise - Lot better than the stock, but not at michelin level.
Road grip - Improved significantly.
Issue I am facing is, One of the tyres loosing air faster than others, so I had to top up every two weeks, checked for puncture and other leakages nothing was there, couldn't claim warranty also.

[Josh1927]

Originally Posted by Josh1927

Hi sram,
How have the tyres performed so far? How has the response been in terms of:

1. Mileage
2. Handling
3. Steering heaviness
4. Road noise
5. Road grip
6. Any other observations

I am also in for tires replacement for my dad's 2018 Jazz CVT. The stock MRF ZVTs have aged out in some 48000 kms. I am planning for 195/60/15s. His running comprises 70% highway and easily in the 80-110 kmph range.
Basis the recommendations on this thread, I just have narrowed down my list to MRF perfinza and Conti UC6.

I also called up a dealer and he wasn't in favour of the perfiinza, saying it's performance isn't good as Conti.
Need your suggestions here to finalize my choice.

Experts on the forum, please drop in your valuable comments as well

Correction - Stock tyres on Jazz were bridgestones..sorry about the error and the delay.

Thanks, sram. I have also upgraded to Conti UC6(195/60R15).

Initial observations:
Steering has become softer
Ride quality and comfort has improved
Handing is more or less the same, feels like you are driving on a softer tyre
Grip has improved, also because the tyre is wider
No side wall hitting

Overall, it is worth the upgrade! Recommended.

[Josh1927]

Originally Posted by Josh1927

Correction - Stock tyres on Jazz were bridgestones..sorry about the error and the delay.

Thanks, sram. I have also upgraded to Conti UC6(195/60R15).

Initial observations:
Steering has become softer
Ride quality and comfort has improved
Handing is more or less the same, feels like you are driving on a softer tyre
Grip has improved, also because the tyre is wider
No side wall hitting

Overall, it is worth the upgrade! Recommended.

Some pics..

including old bridgestone 175/65/R15 vs new Conti UC6 195/60/R15

[sibaprasadbeher]

Hi Guys,

After reading so much, I too upgraded to Conti UC6 195/60 R15 and boy its smooth, the stock OEM tyres were ok, I wouldnt say great, but this one made the drive smoother. There is no rubbing against the walls. This discussion was so helpful in getting the right tyre for my ride.

[sridhu]

I had posted this (Honda Jazz : Official Review) on the Jazz thread

Is the price of ₹ 6400 for Conti UC6 175/65/15 and ₹ 6800 for Yoko BlueEarth AE51 (196/60/15) ok?(WA/WB extra)

Any preference between either or between 175 & 195?

[sridhu]

Originally Posted by sridhu

Any preference between either or between 175 & 195?

Bumping this

Please help me folks - what is the price I should be looking at? All prices in the thread seem to be a couple of years old.

And any recommendations on where to buy in Bangalore?