[swami69]

Need some help.

Few days back I picked up a 2016, 49K run Crysta Z MT from Toyota UTrust. The car has come with very new Michellin Primacy 225 55 17 which are having a manufacturing date of late 2019. I hope I have got a good deal on these tyres as i just read through this thread and many have suggested this size and Michellin. Is this a good one or should I be concerned. I think the previous owner have made an informed decision by spending on these tyres.

Swami

[ShubhamGhute]

Gave my Crysta much needed 3rd set of tyres. Earlier I had got 225/60 R16 Michelin Primacy 4 but due to current tyre shortage, switched to 215/65 R16 with Bridgestone Turanza T001 (DOT: last week of 2020). I don’t regret my decision one bit. 215/65 gives maximum side wall which aids better ride quality.

With 225/60 R16, steering was too heavy and cumbersome but with 215/65 R16, it’s bit lighter. Just love the soft cusiony feel over potholes

Bridgestone Turanza T001 costed me 8k per tyre including fitting, alignment, balancing and new valves

[raider9990]

Originally Posted by ShubhamGhute

Gave my Crysta much needed 3rd set of tyres. Earlier I had got 225/60 R16 Michelin Primacy 4 but due to current tyre shortage, switched to 215/65 R16 with Bridgestone Turanza T001 (DOT: last week of 2020). I don’t regret my decision one bit. 215/65 gives maximum side wall which aids better ride quality.

With 225/60 R16, steering was too heavy and cumbersome but with 215/65 R16, it’s bit lighter. Just love the soft cusiony feel over potholes

I will be picking my Innova Crysta Vx around last week of February or first week of march , and the first thing on my list was to swap out those 205/65/16 tyres. I was confused between 215/65/16 and 225/60/16 but after reading your post 215/65/16 seems a better option .

[cs_rajesh]

Just FYI

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Has there been complaints amongst Innova Crysta Owners on bad quality of Stock Alloy wheels, similar to one shown on this above video?

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by cs_rajesh

Has there been complaints amongst Innova Crysta Owners on bad quality of Stock Alloy wheels, similar to one shown on this above video?

I had the same concerns before buying the car. I contacted a friend/BHPian who works for Toyota as well as our tyre guru Nikhil. I got to know that the stock Bridgestone Turanzas were upgraded with dual ply sidewall, and the suspension was also softened to take up sudden bumps better. Hence, after this, the complaints of tyre cuts/rim bends greatly reduced. Even the guys at the dealership told me the same that initially there were lot of complaints but they fixed the problem.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by cs_rajesh

Just FYI
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Has there been complaints amongst Innova Crysta Owners on bad quality of Stock Alloy wheels, similar to one shown on this above video?

Mostly due to the poorly made and underspecced OEM Turanzas and less than sufficient cold inflation pressures.

Originally Posted by audioholic

I got to know that the stock Bridgestone Turanzas were upgraded with dual ply sidewall, and the suspension was also softened to take up sudden bumps better. Hence, after this, the complaints of tyre cuts/rim bends greatly reduced.

More than the suspension its the tyres and poor inflation pressure. With the much stiffer Bilstein shocks I have hit major potholes at 100+ with sound loud enough to startle others but the rim and tyres have always come out unscathed. The exception being I fill tyres at higher than recommended cold inflation pressure and is on 225/55R17 so has a wee bit more rubber in the sidewall. The oem Turanzas even the first ones had 2 ply sidewall, but maybe they were poorly made.

[Mail.atyagi]

Time for second tyre change for my 2016 Innova Crysta GX AT with approx 84k Km on the odometer. Tempted to upgrade to 17 inch alloys but having cold feet considering all the tyre/alloy damage incidents in the initial Crysta's.
After going through the thread, I am inclined towards Michelin. Need suggestions if I should go for Michelin and which of these should I go for (provided I could find these given the shortage situation)-
1. Michelin Primacy 4 ST - 215/60 R16 99V
2. Michelin Primacy SUV 215/65/R16 102H

Most of the usage is on decent tarmac roads.

Thanks!

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by Mail.atyagi

Time for second tyre change for my 2016 Innova Crysta GX AT with approx 84k Km on the odometer. Tempted to upgrade to 17 inch alloys but having cold feet considering all the tyre/alloy damage incidents in the initial Crysta's.
After going through the thread, I am inclined towards Michelin. Need suggestions if I should go for Michelin and which of these should I go for (provided I could find these given the shortage situation)-
1. Michelin Primacy 4 ST - 215/60 R16 99V
2. Michelin Primacy SUV 215/65/R16 102H

Most of the usage is on decent tarmac roads.

Thanks!

Durability wise Primacy SUV > Primacy 3ST > Primacy 4ST

I have used all three tyres above and for rough road usage would suggest Primacy SUV. I never had a puncture with 3ST until they were quite old but unfortunately the 4ST had its first puncture in less than 2000Kms, I guess they are using a softer compound compared to its previous iteration.

[Mail.atyagi]

Originally Posted by Sankar

Durability wise Primacy SUV > Primacy 3ST > Primacy 4ST

Thanks Sankar!
I went to atleast 4 dealers today and called another 3-4 dealers. Following are the observations-
1. Michelin stock issues persist. None of the dealer had more than one of the above 3.
2. I was able to find Primacy SUV at only one dealer but it was early 2019 make. That makes me worried. Cost quoted was approximately 10,500 per tyre. This includes fitment/ wheel alignment/balancing. Old tyres he said won't fetch me any significant value and he can only confirm once the tyres are out.
3. One of the larger dealer had stock of Michelin 4ST which was 8500 a piece. He said it is fresh stock but I missed checking the manufacturing date to be sure. He was very persistent to sell me continental ContiMaxContact MC5 tyres. Gave offer of 1000 per tyre buyback if I buy continental. After offer, the price was coming out to be almost same with Michelin 4 ST. Also said it will have better service if any tyre damage is there in warranty period. Also pitched in ContiCross Contact AT which looked good but had rating 98T. I asked him that I am looking for speed rating V or atleast H, he said 'Sir, India me kitna speed chala paoge, this is sufficient and all the leading luxury cars use Continental as OEM'. Didn't enquired much further as I was not impressed and was still focussed on finding Primacy SUV. He also claimed that I will not find 4ST anywhere since stock is released very selectively by the company.
4. Another dealer had Michelin LTX Force 215/65 R16 98T AT tyres available which were close to 10,700 a piece. Again Jan 2020 make. Also had doubts about speed rating as well as road noise.
5. Few of the dealers insisted on Bridgestone TURANZA 215/65 R16 98 H, Yokohama Earth1( presently used by me, not much impressed) Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S P215/65 R16 98H ( have to say it looked and felt great but I am not sure about Yokohama since I'm using Yokohama Earth1 for last 2.5 years, approximately 44K Km driven and felt them as average). Most of these are 2021 make.

Now, I request some help -
Should I ignore the fact that the Michelins were lying somewhere in the godown for a long long time and go for them ( still not coming to terms about buying a 2 year old tyre)? If so, is LTX Force a good choice for Innova Crysta or I go ahead with Primacy SUV despite these being oldest of the lot available. Or should I check manufacturing date of 4ST and go for it if this is relatively fresh?

Does Continental sounds good? I seriously have no idea about them since I have not used them ever in my life. Continental was available in fresh stocks.

Any feedback on Yokohama Geolander AT or Bridgestone TURANZA would be greatly appreciated.

I guess team-bhp have spoiled me as I remember the last time I replaced my car tires, it took just one dealer visit and 15 minutes to finalize Yokohama Earth1

[Mail.atyagi]

Originally Posted by ShubhamGhute

Gave my Crysta much needed 3rd set of tyres. Earlier I had got 225/60 R16 Michelin Primacy 4 but due to current tyre shortage, switched to 215/65 R16 with Bridgestone Turanza T001 (DOT: last week of 2020). I don’t regret my decision one bit. 215/65 gives maximum side wall which aids better ride quality.

Since you've used Michelin Primacy 4 as well as Bridgestone Turanza, which one would you recommend after using the latter for around 3-4 months now. My Crysta is also looking for its 3rd set of tyres.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by Mail.atyagi

Thanks Sankar!
I went to atleast 4 dealers today and called another 3-4 dealers. Following are the observations-
1. Michelin stock issues persist. None of the dealer had more than one of the above 3.
2. I was able to find Primacy SUV at only one dealer but it was early 2019 make. That makes me worried. Cost quoted was approximately 10,500 per tyre. This includes fitment/ wheel alignment/balancing. Old tyres he said won't fetch me any significant value and he can only confirm once the tyres are out.
3. One of the larger dealer had stock of Michelin 4ST which was 8500 a piece. He said it is fresh stock but I missed checking the manufacturing date to be sure. He was very persistent to sell me continental ContiMaxContact MC5 tyres. Gave offer of 1000 per tyre buyback if I buy continental. After offer, the price was coming out to be almost same with Michelin 4 ST. Also said it will have better service if any tyre damage is there in warranty period. Also pitched in ContiCross Contact AT which looked good but had rating 98T. I asked him that I am looking for speed rating V or atleast H, he said 'Sir, India me kitna speed chala paoge, this is sufficient and all the leading luxury cars use Continental as OEM'. Didn't enquired much further as I was not impressed and was still focussed on finding Primacy SUV. He also claimed that I will not find 4ST anywhere since stock is released very selectively by the company.
4. Another dealer had Michelin LTX Force 215/65 R16 98T AT tyres available which were close to 10,700 a piece. Again Jan 2020 make. Also had doubts about speed rating as well as road noise.
5. Few of the dealers insisted on Bridgestone TURANZA 215/65 R16 98 H, Yokohama Earth1( presently used by me, not much impressed) Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S P215/65 R16 98H ( have to say it looked and felt great but I am not sure about Yokohama since I'm using Yokohama Earth1 for last 2.5 years, approximately 44K Km driven and felt them as average). Most of these are 2021 make.

Now, I request some help -
Should I ignore the fact that the Michelins were lying somewhere in the godown for a long long time and go for them ( still not coming to terms about buying a 2 year old tyre)? If so, is LTX Force a good choice for Innova Crysta or I go ahead with Primacy SUV despite these being oldest of the lot available. Or should I check manufacturing date of 4ST and go for it if this is relatively fresh?

Does Continental sounds good? I seriously have no idea about them since I have not used them ever in my life. Continental was available in fresh stocks.

Any feedback on Yokohama Geolander AT or Bridgestone TURANZA would be greatly appreciated.

I guess team-bhp have spoiled me as I remember the last time I replaced my car tires, it took just one dealer visit and 15 minutes to finalize Yokohama Earth1

I am surprised to learn that Primacy 4ST is priced lower than Primacy SUV! It was the other way around when I enquired. Btw buying a 2 year old tyre shouldn't be problem if it was stored properly and inside warehouse away from the sunlight. Michelin LTX Force being a Michelin ought to be good, but I have not used it. Yokohama Geolandar I would stay away from, because I have l read mixed reviews about the durability of those tyres from the forum itself. Continental is another tyre which imho gets more hype than what its worth.

Another tyre you could consider is Goodyear Wrangler Silentrac in the same size. They are priced really well and is one of the tyres I shortlisted and if I were to downsize to 16" (I had an option to keep using 17 or downsize to 16) during the last change this was the tyre I had in my mind to change to. Link below.

https://www.goodyear.co.in/tyres/goo...-at-silenttrac

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Mail.atyagi

Now, I request some help -
Should I ignore the fact that the Michelins were lying somewhere in the godown for a long long time and go for them ( still not coming to terms about buying a 2 year old tyre)? If so, is LTX Force a good choice for Innova Crysta or I go ahead with Primacy SUV despite these being oldest of the lot available. Or should I check manufacturing date of 4ST and go for it if this is relatively fresh?

If a brand like Michelin is having issues with availability, you can also run into trouble with after sales support, what if there is a damage claim or you need to just replace a tire or two due to some reason a year from today and the same brand or pattern is not available?!

Choose wisely. The difference between a tire for crysta from any of the premium brands will be negligible for the said pattern,so may as well go with a brand with better presence and after sales support in India.

Tires are supposed to be replaced after a certain number of years (6 as per some user manuals) regardless of the kms run, so do not buy old ones.

[Mail.atyagi]

Originally Posted by Sankar

I am surprised to learn that Primacy 4ST is priced lower than Primacy SUV! It was the other way around when I enquired.

Since I was not keen for Primacy 4ST and dealer was also too enthusiastic to push for Continentals, I might have missed that he would have shown me 205/65/R16 despite me being very clear on size requirements. There could not be any other reason for this price difference.
I checked the price on Michelin website also and this apparently seems to be the case. Primacy 4ST 215/60/R16 MRP is almost same as Primacy SUV 215/65/R16. Though SUV is still expansive by 90 odd bucks

I will check Goodyear Wrangler Silent trac also. Thanks for the help!

[Mail.atyagi]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

If a brand like Michelin is having issues with availability, you can also run into trouble with after sales support, what if there is a damage claim or you need to just replace a tire or two due to some reason a year from today and the same brand or pattern is not available?!

Choose wisely. The difference between a tire for crysta from any of the premium brands will be negligible for the said pattern,so may as well go with a brand with better presence and after sales support in India.

Tires are supposed to be replaced after a certain number of years (6 as per some user manuals) regardless of the kms run, so do not buy old ones.

Agreed, even I am not sure how good some of these dealers are in terms of storage of tyres for longer term since neither of them took more than 1-2 minutes to retrieve the required tyre from stock. 4ST was infact placed in the showroom display rack. Hence I will avoid very old ones for sure.
Seems like I will go for Bridgestone Turanza or Goodyear Wrangler Silent trac (recommended by Sankar). Thanks for the advice!

[rajasRTR]

There is not much discussion on the alloy wheels for Innova crysta in this thread. So here goes my dilemma I would like some advice with:

I recently replaced the 17-inchers on my Crysta with 16-inchers, after a pothole impact damaged one rim. I was already skeptical about the 17" after reading all the reports of tyre bursts and rim damages. After personally experiencing it, didn't want to take any further chance. I got 4 16" rims from Toyota and left the spare 17" as is.
Now I want to replace the spare as I am selling the 4 old 17" rims.

I was wondering if it would be okay to use a 16" steel rim for spare instead of the OEM alloy. The cost difference is considerable (17k for the alloy, 4.5k for the steel rim). I am not very inclined to go for aftermarket alloys. However, if someone has a suggestion for a good, reliable brand costing under 8-9k, I may consider it. But then is it worth it getting just one mismatching alloy, which anyway will not be used for 5-wheel rotation then?

My main concern is if the weight difference between the alloys and steels will take a toll on the suspension (assuming a situation where the steel spare is used for long runs).

Appreciate your help. Thank you in advance.