[for_cars1]

The stock 175/65/15 MRF ZVTVs were worn out in about 30K KM and were flimsy and hopeless with frequent punctures.

The second set 195/60/15 XM2s have been running for the last 45K KMs and still has good amount of tread depth. Very robust, efficient and puncture free experience except for one recent puncture due to a thick stubborn metal nail. The tyres tend to squeal while braking at higher speeds though.
Though the tyres seem to be in good shape, I'm contemplating to change them sooner when the odo nears 80K KM.


Looks like Primacy 4ST though premium is softer and more puncture prone going by the last few posts.
If P4 STs are more puncture prone, then its a cause for concern and I may stick to XM2s during the change.

[revvhed]

I was so happy when I saw this thread because after having experienced the 3STs in my friend's Creta I was sure I wanted the Primacy for my next tyre change.. and then i discovered that Michelin doesn't make these in my size ( 205/65 R15 ). Boo hoo..

[Samfromindia]

Originally Posted by for_cars1

Looks like Primacy 4ST though premium is softer and more puncture prone going by the last few posts.

I just did an epic 7K Pune - Bangalore - Kolkata & back trip in last two weeks and the tyres held up really good with no punctures and maybe 1-2psi pressure loss over 7000Km. The thing is if you are unfortunate to land over a nail, it will pierce through any rubber, be it MRF or Michelin. So don't procrastinate so much based on made up theories. All tyres are tested & certified to take day to day abuses & a difference of few percentages hardly matter over long run.

[for_cars1]

Originally Posted by Samfromindia

...The thing is if you are unfortunate to land over a nail, it will pierce through any rubber, be it MRF or Michelin. ..... All tyres are tested & certified to take day to day abuses & a difference of few percentages hardly matter over long run.

On landing over a nail, the chances of having a puncture is not the same for all tyres. Depending on the puncture resistance, a softer tyre may be more puncture prone than a tyre with harder rubber compound which will offer more puncture resistance.

Its another matter why some tyres have softer rubber compound for reasons such as more comfort, lower noise, better wet cornering grip over harder tyres. There are pros and cons both ways.

Not all tyres are made the same, the small differences matters a lot. It may be the difference between cruizing along v/s getting stuck in the middle of nowhere.

[WhiteFang]

After a lot of contemplation, I went ahead and purchased Michelin Primacy 4 ST 195/60 as a replacement for my stock R15 185/60 MRF tyres of my VW Polo.
This decision has nothing to do with the fact that I got a good deal at 5848 per tyre under Michelin Friends & Family program.

My initial impressions:
1) It is super smooth and silent.
2) The vehicle feels planted and stable.
3) The bad patches on my commute are much more bearable.





Now my only regret is not doing this at the beginning itself when I took the delivery of my car. That could have saved my wife and me from bashing Polo's suspension every time it went over a pothole.

[Sebring]

Is this the employee benefit (For their friends?). As I'm in Michelin Club as well, but am unaware of the scheme. Yes, I agree these tyres are the very best.

Originally Posted by WhiteFang

got a good deal at 5848 per tyre under Michelin Friends & Family program

[WhiteFang]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Is this the employee benefit (For their friends?). As I'm in Michelin Club as well, but am unaware of the scheme. Yes, I agree these tyres are the very best.

Yes. This one is a referral-based scheme for Michelin employees to their friends and family.

[Samfromindia]

Originally Posted by for_cars1

Not all tyres are made the same, the small differences matters a lot. It may be the difference between cruizing along v/s getting stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Well mate real world experience will tell more than these theories. Before 4ST i had possibly one of the hardest tyres in HT (MRF Zv2K) which ran 68K. Had 4-5 slow punctures but never a flat out. Lets see how 4ST goes. I did almost 10k in last two months without any issues or leak, but this is very situational.

Coming to getting stuck in middle of nowhere, i have that covered. Puncture Repair kit + portable inflator + tow rope always stays on my boot. I have a thread for that. Hope you are having them also !

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modif...-your-car.html (Must-Have Items in the boot of your car)

[quakerme]

My mich XM2 held strong for 1.1Lakh kms before it showed the wear in tread now the shop guy is pitching Michelin Primacy 4 ST over Xm2...confused now

[itwasntme]

Originally Posted by quakerme

My mich XM2 held strong for 1.1Lakh kms before it showed the wear in tread now the shop guy is pitching Michelin Primacy 4 ST over Xm2...confused now

P4ST is definitely superior to XM2 but what is the vehicle, tyre size, usage pattern, preferences between ride comfort vs noise vs handling etc?

[anb]

Originally Posted by quakerme

My mich XM2 held strong for 1.1Lakh kms before it showed the wear in tread now the shop guy is pitching Michelin Primacy 4 ST over Xm2...confused now

No need of any confusion. Opt for Primacy 4ST. It is much better than XM2 in most aspects.

[quakerme]

Had a little chat with the shop guy and we decided it's better to go with Michelin XM2+ since I drive 50% on terrains and soft rubbers may wear off quickly price 6k per tyre.

[shuvc]

Is P4 ST available for 195/65/15 ? If so, what would be the right price ?

[revvhed]

Originally Posted by graaja

I changed the 205/55/R15 MC5s in my Polo GT TSi to 195/60/R15 Michelin P4STs. The MC5s had become unbearably noisy.

Hi graaja
Any regrets in downsizing from the 205s to the 195s ? I'm in a similar situation now where I want to go with the P4ST for my Civic but will have to go down to 195s as they're not available in 205. What is your opinion / experience ?

[graaja]

Originally Posted by revvhed

Hi graaja
Any regrets in downsizing from the 205s to the 195s ? I'm in a similar situation now where I want to go with the P4ST for my Civic but will have to go down to 195s as they're not available in 205. What is your opinion / experience ?

Hi revvhed, as I don't drive the car on highways anymore, I can only comment on comfort and road noise. They are performing very well on these aspects. I really love the silence in the cabin compared to the horrible noise the MC5s used to produce. Also, for the Polo GT, 195 is still an upsize compared to the 185 tires that came stock. Not sure about Civic though. What was the original size that came in the car?