Michelin XM1+

devarshi84 · 2nd August 2010, 10:28

I have Michelin Xm1+ on both the Jazz and the lancer. Satisfied with the performance but I intend to try out Yokohama's next.

jatinpatel · 2nd August 2010, 21:18

@devarshi
I am Using Yoko A-Drives on my OHC A/T the tires are ok nothing to write home about they are althogh much better than the bridgeston S322s that i had got with the car.XM1+ has hell lot better grip as compared A drives.

devarshi84 · 3rd August 2010, 14:01

I am mostly looking at covering up road noise. THe michelin's I have noticed are silent for the first 20K or so kilometers but after that they lost the capability to deaden sound.

vasanthn21 · 3rd August 2010, 14:32

After experiencing numerous punctures due to soft/old tyres (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ml#post2009110), I decided to change my tyres.

Question was which one to use? I had no idea about tyres. Did a lot of search on t-bhp and decided not to upsize or go for alloys, instead stick to the standard size of 145/80/R12 on my 2005 Zen.

All the searches were unanimously pointing to Michelin XM1+. (mainly influenced by rajeshsundaram's thread -> http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...w-500-kms.html)

Finally took the plunge and went to the showroom, and the sales person convinced me (and my cousin who accompanied me) that 155/70/R12 M XM1+ would be better (better grip and performance).

Went ahead and purchased this.

Immediate differences noticed:

1. Much better ride! (no more THUDs on bad roads)
2. Better grip
3. Improved braking (even on wet roads - which I could test after a few days).
4. Reduced noise levels.

Since I have been using these only for 1month, can comment more on this.

Replaced the air with Nitrogen (from the BP petrol bunk on Nrupatunga road, Bangalore - one of the few places where the charge is Rs.10 per tyre).

After filling with Nitrogen, the ride became bumpy, hard and noisy again, and I was shocked! Started suspecting the air pressure (or should I say Nitrogen pressure) as the manufacturer recommended reading is 24 psi and I filled 32psi (which I am told is equivalent to 30 when one is filling Nitrogen). The ride came back to normal, in fact improved from earlier feel (tubeless with air) after 4 hrs. I was told this is because Nitrogen is very cold when filled, once it warms up to room temperature the behavior is as expected.

Overall, I am extremely happy with the performance and ride as of now. Am yet to measure the influence of changing tyres on mileage. I suspect it will go down a bit as I went from 175/80 to 155/70, am I right in assuming so?

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Epic · 5th August 2010, 11:04

Hi all,

A friend of mine damaged one of his tires on his Tata Indica 2 days ago and looking to buy a new one but apparently it is not available anywhere. Tire dealers are claiming that the company itself is not providing them with stock. Is this true? The tire is a Michelin XM1 of size 185/60/R13. I have tried all shops on Milan Subway and Santacruz but it is not available. Any truth in this?

Is the XM1 out of stock or this particular size?

devarshi84 · 5th August 2010, 12:07

I suppose this is because of OEMS running to Michelins now. In which case I am already looking at alternatives.

Maybe Pirelli or Yokohama will have a competitive tyre.

Abhay · 5th August 2010, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epic

Is the XM1 out of stock or this particular size?

I replaced a damaged XM1+ on my Indica just last week - though the size is 165/65R13 and this is in Pune. So maybe that size is an issue rather than all round shortage?

AbhiJ · 5th August 2010, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abhay

I replaced a damaged XM1+ on my Indica just last week - though the size is 165/65R13 and this is in Pune. So maybe that size is an issue rather than all round shortage?

XM1 and XM1+ are different ...

You replaced a XM1+, Epic is searching for a XM1

teknophobia · 5th August 2010, 15:13

XM1+ was, IIRC the replacement for the XM1 which had several issues on indian roads. the XM1+ is supposed to be hardier.

sagarpadaki · 5th August 2010, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasanthn21

After experiencing numerous punctures due to soft/old tyres (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ml#post2009110), I decided to change my tyres.

How much did they cost you and where did you purchase them??

filcord · 7th August 2010, 21:45

Have been running XM1 185/70R13 (not XM1+) on my Baleno for 32000 km now, and not even a flat tyre. All I do is religiously rotate and align every 5k kms. They saved my life on a panic stop few months back in Karnataka. It looks they will go on till 40k kms. Anyway, my next change will remain a Michelin.

glidealong · 7th August 2010, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by glidealong

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Michelin XM1+ it is, now waiting for this month's salary .... will update you guys later about how everything went.

I never knew there was another twist in the tale, got my tyres changed, but I went for Yoko A drives instead. When I went in to New Bharat tyres today morning, michellin xm1+ costs 4350+tax and Yokos costs 3300+tax. Last month when i went there it was 3860, now they say it is for xm1 and not xm1+.

From tbp i couldn't find any substantial difference between xm1+ and Yoko A drives and i couldn't justify the 1000rs premium. So I decided in favor od Yokos and I must say am satisfied with the initial feel. Guess I should write the rest of the story in the Yoko A drive thread.

PraveenM · 7th August 2010, 23:32

Just replaced my XM1 with XM1+ after 37k kms on my Getz. For the last few thousand kms the road noise, ride was unbearable. But the XM1 has performed admirably, no flat tyres, two very slow punctures could have reduced the life a bit prematurely.
Changed four tires at Lal, Lloyds rd at 3550/tyre, including balancing @ 75/wheel.

lohithrao · 8th August 2010, 12:26

Some updates from my side...

Its abiut 16k+ kms and 2years since i got the XM!+ on my car and majority of these kms is on highway.

Yesterday was running a check on the tyres and was shocked to see plenty of cuts/bruise/damage on all the tyres though many are small but its shows very clearly how tough is this tyre!

i had not checked the tyres for some time and now am seeing this not sure how to react but for sure i know i will never ever look at "Michelin" again!

1 practical suggestion to all please dont buy this tyre unless you have plans to use it for about 15 or 20k kms...

have attached couple of pics should give an idea..

2nd August 2010, 10:28	#346
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	I have Michelin Xm1+ on both the Jazz and the lancer. Satisfied with the performance but I intend to try out Yokohama's next.
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2nd August 2010, 21:18	#347
jatinpatel BHPian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 610 Thanked: 196 Times View My Garage	@devarshi I am Using Yoko A-Drives on my OHC A/T the tires are ok nothing to write home about they are althogh much better than the bridgeston S322s that i had got with the car.XM1+ has hell lot better grip as compared A drives.
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3rd August 2010, 14:01	#348
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	I am mostly looking at covering up road noise. THe michelin's I have noticed are silent for the first 20K or so kilometers but after that they lost the capability to deaden sound.
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3rd August 2010, 14:32	#349
vasanthn21 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 811 Thanked: 521 Times View My Garage	After experiencing numerous punctures due to soft/old tyres (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ml#post2009110), I decided to change my tyres. Question was which one to use? I had no idea about tyres. Did a lot of search on t-bhp and decided not to upsize or go for alloys, instead stick to the standard size of 145/80/R12 on my 2005 Zen. All the searches were unanimously pointing to Michelin XM1+. (mainly influenced by rajeshsundaram's thread -> http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...w-500-kms.html) Finally took the plunge and went to the showroom, and the sales person convinced me (and my cousin who accompanied me) that 155/70/R12 M XM1+ would be better (better grip and performance). Went ahead and purchased this. Immediate differences noticed: 1. Much better ride! (no more THUDs on bad roads) 2. Better grip 3. Improved braking (even on wet roads - which I could test after a few days). 4. Reduced noise levels. Since I have been using these only for 1month, can comment more on this. Replaced the air with Nitrogen (from the BP petrol bunk on Nrupatunga road, Bangalore - one of the few places where the charge is Rs.10 per tyre). After filling with Nitrogen, the ride became bumpy, hard and noisy again, and I was shocked! Started suspecting the air pressure (or should I say Nitrogen pressure) as the manufacturer recommended reading is 24 psi and I filled 32psi (which I am told is equivalent to 30 when one is filling Nitrogen). The ride came back to normal, in fact improved from earlier feel (tubeless with air) after 4 hrs. I was told this is because Nitrogen is very cold when filled, once it warms up to room temperature the behavior is as expected. Overall, I am extremely happy with the performance and ride as of now. Am yet to measure the influence of changing tyres on mileage. I suspect it will go down a bit as I went from 175/80 to 155/70, am I right in assuming so? Last edited by vasanthn21 : 3rd August 2010 at 14:35.
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5th August 2010, 11:04	#351
Epic Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,558 Thanked: 922 Times	Michelin XM1 - Out of Stock? Hi all, A friend of mine damaged one of his tires on his Tata Indica 2 days ago and looking to buy a new one but apparently it is not available anywhere. Tire dealers are claiming that the company itself is not providing them with stock. Is this true? The tire is a Michelin XM1 of size 185/60/R13. I have tried all shops on Milan Subway and Santacruz but it is not available. Any truth in this? Is the XM1 out of stock or this particular size?
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5th August 2010, 12:07	#352
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	I suppose this is because of OEMS running to Michelins now. In which case I am already looking at alternatives. Maybe Pirelli or Yokohama will have a competitive tyre.
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5th August 2010, 15:13	#355
teknophobia BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: WB/MH Posts: 385 Thanked: 121 Times	XM1+ was, IIRC the replacement for the XM1 which had several issues on indian roads. the XM1+ is supposed to be hardier.
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7th August 2010, 21:45	#357
filcord BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: goa Posts: 996 Thanked: 67 Times	Have been running XM1 185/70R13 (not XM1+) on my Baleno for 32000 km now, and not even a flat tyre. All I do is religiously rotate and align every 5k kms. They saved my life on a panic stop few months back in Karnataka. It looks they will go on till 40k kms. Anyway, my next change will remain a Michelin.
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7th August 2010, 23:32	#359
PraveenM BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 125 Thanked: 32 Times	Just replaced my XM1 with XM1+ after 37k kms on my Getz. For the last few thousand kms the road noise, ride was unbearable. But the XM1 has performed admirably, no flat tyres, two very slow punctures could have reduced the life a bit prematurely. Changed four tires at Lal, Lloyds rd at 3550/tyre, including balancing @ 75/wheel.
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8th August 2010, 12:26	#360
lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,204 Thanked: 225 Times View My Garage	XM1+ not good enuf for Indian roads! Some updates from my side... Its abiut 16k+ kms and 2years since i got the XM!+ on my car and majority of these kms is on highway. Yesterday was running a check on the tyres and was shocked to see plenty of cuts/bruise/damage on all the tyres though many are small but its shows very clearly how tough is this tyre! i had not checked the tyres for some time and now am seeing this not sure how to react but for sure i know i will never ever look at "Michelin" again! 1 practical suggestion to all please dont buy this tyre unless you have plans to use it for about 15 or 20k kms... have attached couple of pics should give an idea.. Attached Thumbnails
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