12" Plati New model For alto

amit_mechengg · 18th February 2008, 22:52

there is a new model launched by plati in 12" costing 10000 for a set of 4 wheels.
i am planning to put it on alto. but the dealer is asking me to stick to the stock size 145/80 r12 michelin as i dont have a power steering.
please guide me gurus. shall i got for 13" or 12" ...and please give me the correct tyre size. shall i retain the same or upgrade to 155/80 ?? can these fit on 12".
he is also saying that the alloys are half inch wider than rims so the 145/80/ r12 will expand more on 12" alloys and give me a better road grip.

abhibh · 18th February 2008, 23:11

If you are going to get alloys i would recommend 13". 155/70/R13 and 165/65/R13 is avialable in michelin XM1. Also keep in mind alloys width should not be more than 5J.

TDR · 19th February 2008, 00:11

Bought these rims & tyres for my (soon to buy) Alto Vxi;

Those are Dotz Imola 13" 5J rims with TOYO 350, 165/65 tyres on them.

The original rims and tyres for the Alto, in my country, are;

13" 13Jx4.5 4x100x54 ET45 1.1i-16V 155/65R13

The ET value of the new ones is 35.

Ideally the tyres would be 165/60 R13 but those are hard to find in my country.

TDR

amit_mechengg · 19th February 2008, 13:20

shall i go for unidirectional zapper like tyres or the normal ones? i have heard that unidirectional tyres wear out lot earlier and also dont have lateral grip while cornering ?

VJ_MAVRICK · 19th February 2008, 13:26

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Originally Posted by abhibh

If you are going to get alloys i would recommend 13". 155/70/R13 and 165/65/R13 is avialable in michelin XM1. Also keep in mind alloys width should not be more than 5J.

I second abhi's statement here as i have upgraded from stock to 165/65/R13 Michelin XM1 on League Alloys and for your reference go through this

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ims-tires.html

amit_mechengg · 19th February 2008, 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by VJ_MAVRICK

I second abhi's statement here as i have upgraded from stock to 165/65/R13 Michelin XM1 on League Alloys and for your reference go through this

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ims-tires.html

but i dont have a power steering to steer 165/65/R13 Michelin XM1. it will be too heavy.

RAC · 19th February 2008, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDR

Bought these rims & tyres for my (soon to buy) Alto Vxi;

Those are Dotz Imola 13" 5J rims with TOYO 350, 165/65 tyres on them.

The original rims and tyres for the Alto, in my country, are;

13" 13Jx4.5 4x100x54 ET45 1.1i-16V 155/65R13

The ET value of the new ones is 35.

Ideally the tyres would be 165/60 R13 but those are hard to find in my country.

TDR

Hi TDR. Not sure if the Alto you mention is the same as what we have in India. Most probably Alto in NL is the model Zen in India which is the next level model above Indian Alto.

(Pics - googled) this is the Alto available in India which comes with 145/80 R12 size tyres and rim.

akroy · 19th February 2008, 13:44

Try out 155/65 R13, should not be a problem without PS.

For an Alto I would always prefer 155/65/R13 or 165/60R13 over 155/70R13 and 165/65R13

Abhi

VJ_MAVRICK · 19th February 2008, 13:44

I think the alto in the dutch land is the zen model here in india and yes the stock tire size is 145/80R12 on 12" for the indian alto.

@amit : Yea amit that would be too heavy without a power steering and sorry i missed that. However,that brings me to this query, does anyone here on the forum upgraded to the alloys and other wheel sizes as against the stock? I aint sure about it, but i think you can upgrade but will be uncomfortable. Maybe guru's here might comment ...where are you kpzen?

amit_mechengg · 19th February 2008, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by VJ_MAVRICK

I think the alto in the dutch land is the zen model here in india and yes the stock tire size is 145/80R12 on 12" for the indian alto.

@amit : Yea amit that would be too heavy without a power steering and sorry i missed that. However,that brings me to this query, does anyone here on the forum upgraded to the alloys and other wheel sizes as against the stock? I aint sure about it, but i think you can upgrade but will be uncomfortable. Maybe guru's here might comment ...where are you kpzen?

sometime i curse myself for not counting on power steering. will 155/65/r13 be comfortable? akroy is having a PS. also 12" plati looks too small. he is also suggesting me the same stock size i.e 145/80/r12 michelin tyres. the dealer says that the tyres will have more base i.e they will expand more on 12" alloys than on 12" rims. is this true? will it make marginal difference?

im_srini · 19th February 2008, 14:19

Hi Amit, I've been running Yokohama 175x60R13s on Plati rims with no problems for the past few months. I've also run GoodYear 165x65R13s on the same rims. The GoodYears used to leak constantly around the rims, hence the switch to the Yokohamas.

A word of warning though with the 165+ width tires - a couple of people at the back, & at speeds above 40 Kmph, any & all road irregularities would result in rubbing, nearly sliced up my rear tires ! Figured, it's easier to say there's no rear seat than refuse to offer somebody a ride, & in the end that's what I did - removed the rear seat

My car does not have power steering too, but you could have your steering damper loosened - should help quite a bit !

I feel it's set way too tight in the Alto anyway...

amit_mechengg · 19th February 2008, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by im_srini

Hi Amit, I've been running Yokohama 175x60R13s on Plati rims with no problems for the past few months. I've also run GoodYear 165x65R13s on the same rims. The GoodYears used to leak constantly around the rims, hence the switch.

My car does not have power steering either, but you could have your steering damper loosened - should help quite a bit

I feel it's set way too tight in the Alto anyway...

175x60R13s for alto

. then i will have to steer my alto like a truck.
how to loosen the steering dampers. never heard of it. what difference will it make. will the steering feel too light?

im_srini · 19th February 2008, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

175x60R13s for alto

. then i will have to steer my alto like a truck.
how to loosen the steering dampers. never heard of it. what difference will it make. will the steering feel too light?

Steer like a truck ? He, he, he - no, you won't have to, it's not that heavy ! You could ask your regular Maruti dealer to loosen your steering damper a tad - the damper's there for a reason, so just loosen it enough so that parking maneuvers aren't a pain.

Dhar's · 19th February 2008, 15:28

@ Amit
I suggest you stick with 155/65R13 to be on safer side and peace of mind.
I doubt 155/80R12 is the proper upsize.
Another advantage about 13" is wide choice of tyres than in 12".
As abhibh pointed out, the width of alloys should be max of 5J.

"the dealer says that the tyres will have more base i.e they will expand more on 12" alloys than on 12" rims"
It seems to be sales trick.

@Srini
those 175/60s looks hot. totally changed the looks of Alto. Looks massive.
But for other 800cc Alto's it would be a strain I guess.

abhibh · 19th February 2008, 15:47

165/65R13 has less difference than 165/60/R13 and is easily available. Also keep in mind that 65 profile will have better cushion.

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
145/80-R12 4.6in 10.6in 21.1in 66.4in 954 0.0%
155/70-R13 4.3in 10.8in 21.5in 67.7in 936 1.9%
155/65-R13 4.0in 10.5in 20.9in 65.8in 963 -1.0%
165/65-R13 4.2in 10.7in 21.4in 67.4in 940 1.5%
165/60-R13 3.9in 10.4in 20.8in 65.3in 970 -1.6%

Speeds
155/70-R13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r traveling at 71.36
155/65-13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r traveling at 69.33
165/65-R13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r travelling at 71.03
165/60-R13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r travelling at 68.88

So the best upsize with minimum differences should be 155/65/R13 and 165/65/R13.

I have driven a a BHPIAN Alto shod with Michelin 155/65 R13 and to be frank it was better than other bhpian alto shod with 165/65 R13 (desi tyres).

With 155/65 R13 i have taken a turn at roundabout ~@90kmph with 5 people on board and the same bhpian also showed us his drifting talent @110kmph in 3rd gear.

I must say @Rs. 2200 you cannot get better tyre than XM1. Great grip at great price.

18th February 2008, 22:52	#1
amit_mechengg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 2,488 Thanked: 2,252 Times View My Garage	12" Plati New model For alto there is a new model launched by plati in 12" costing 10000 for a set of 4 wheels. i am planning to put it on alto. but the dealer is asking me to stick to the stock size 145/80 r12 michelin as i dont have a power steering. please guide me gurus. shall i got for 13" or 12" ...and please give me the correct tyre size. shall i retain the same or upgrade to 155/80 ?? can these fit on 12". he is also saying that the alloys are half inch wider than rims so the 145/80/ r12 will expand more on 12" alloys and give me a better road grip.
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18th February 2008, 23:11	#2
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	If you are going to get alloys i would recommend 13". 155/70/R13 and 165/65/R13 is avialable in michelin XM1. Also keep in mind alloys width should not be more than 5J.
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19th February 2008, 00:11	#3
TDR Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Heerlen, The Netherlands, EU Posts: 23 Thanked: 3 Times	Bought these rims & tyres for my (soon to buy) Alto Vxi; Those are Dotz Imola 13" 5J rims with TOYO 350, 165/65 tyres on them. The original rims and tyres for the Alto, in my country, are; 13" 13Jx4.5 4x100x54 ET45 1.1i-16V 155/65R13 The ET value of the new ones is 35. Ideally the tyres would be 165/60 R13 but those are hard to find in my country. TDR
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19th February 2008, 13:20	#4
amit_mechengg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 2,488 Thanked: 2,252 Times View My Garage	shall i go for unidirectional zapper like tyres or the normal ones? i have heard that unidirectional tyres wear out lot earlier and also dont have lateral grip while cornering ?
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19th February 2008, 13:44	#8
akroy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA Posts: 2,423 Thanked: 85 Times View My Garage	Try out 155/65 R13, should not be a problem without PS. For an Alto I would always prefer 155/65/R13 or 165/60R13 over 155/70R13 and 165/65R13 Abhi
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19th February 2008, 13:44	#9
VJ_MAVRICK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,239 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	I think the alto in the dutch land is the zen model here in india and yes the stock tire size is 145/80R12 on 12" for the indian alto. @amit : Yea amit that would be too heavy without a power steering and sorry i missed that. However,that brings me to this query, does anyone here on the forum upgraded to the alloys and other wheel sizes as against the stock? I aint sure about it, but i think you can upgrade but will be uncomfortable. Maybe guru's here might comment ...where are you kpzen?
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19th February 2008, 14:19	#11
im_srini BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portland Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 490 Times View My Garage	Hi Amit, I've been running Yokohama 175x60R13s on Plati rims with no problems for the past few months. I've also run GoodYear 165x65R13s on the same rims. The GoodYears used to leak constantly around the rims, hence the switch to the Yokohamas. A word of warning though with the 165+ width tires - a couple of people at the back, & at speeds above 40 Kmph, any & all road irregularities would result in rubbing, nearly sliced up my rear tires ! Figured, it's easier to say there's no rear seat than refuse to offer somebody a ride, & in the end that's what I did - removed the rear seat My car does not have power steering too, but you could have your steering damper loosened - should help quite a bit ! I feel it's set way too tight in the Alto anyway... Last edited by im_srini : 19th February 2008 at 14:26.
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19th February 2008, 15:28	#14
Dhar's BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: QLN/TRV/DXB Posts: 420 Thanked: 627 Times View My Garage	@ Amit I suggest you stick with 155/65R13 to be on safer side and peace of mind. I doubt 155/80R12 is the proper upsize. Another advantage about 13" is wide choice of tyres than in 12". As abhibh pointed out, the width of alloys should be max of 5J. "the dealer says that the tyres will have more base i.e they will expand more on 12" alloys than on 12" rims" It seems to be sales trick. @Srini those 175/60s looks hot. totally changed the looks of Alto. Looks massive. But for other 800cc Alto's it would be a strain I guess.
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19th February 2008, 15:47	#15
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	165/65R13 has less difference than 165/60/R13 and is easily available. Also keep in mind that 65 profile will have better cushion. Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference 145/80-R12 4.6in 10.6in 21.1in 66.4in 954 0.0% 155/70-R13 4.3in 10.8in 21.5in 67.7in 936 1.9% 155/65-R13 4.0in 10.5in 20.9in 65.8in 963 -1.0% 165/65-R13 4.2in 10.7in 21.4in 67.4in 940 1.5% 165/60-R13 3.9in 10.4in 20.8in 65.3in 970 -1.6% Speeds 155/70-R13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r traveling at 71.36 155/65-13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r traveling at 69.33 165/65-R13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r travelling at 71.03 165/60-R13 - when speedo shows 70 mph u r travelling at 68.88 So the best upsize with minimum differences should be 155/65/R13 and 165/65/R13. I have driven a a BHPIAN Alto shod with Michelin 155/65 R13 and to be frank it was better than other bhpian alto shod with 165/65 R13 (desi tyres). With 155/65 R13 i have taken a turn at roundabout ~@90kmph with 5 people on board and the same bhpian also showed us his drifting talent @110kmph in 3rd gear. I must say @Rs. 2200 you cannot get better tyre than XM1. Great grip at great price.
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