14'' alloy + 195-60-R14 on Ford IKON 1.6zxi

shazikon · 28th January 2005, 18:34

hey guys,
i am thinking of upsizing my old 13" cast iron wheels + tube tyres with 14" alloys and tubeless Bridgestone potenza 195-60-R14.
2 tyres are soo worn out that the car wobbles at low speeds :(
here are a few question:
1. what care should i take while choosing alloys
2. Please help me understand about offsets.
3. what alloys are good for indian conditions?
4. By changing to bigger dia wheels, would it hurt the gear ratios?
5. suggestions for tyre and tyre sizes?

By going for an upsize i am looking at:
1. better handling
2. better looks
3. not too much loss in ride comfort.

thanks,

-shaz

nitroxx · 28th January 2005, 18:48

its good ure not into looks only and stick wth the 14" in case of comfort use the michelin pilot precedas theyre the best tried and tested each one.

Rudra Sen · 28th January 2005, 19:30

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Originally Posted by shazikon

hey guys,
i am thinking of upsizing my old 13" cast iron wheels + tube tyres with 14" alloys and tubeless Bridgestone potenza 195-60-R14.

Not cast iron wheels. Your car won't move an inch in that case.
What you have is pressed steel disk.

Cheers.

Shan2nu · 28th January 2005, 20:07

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2. Please help me understand about offsets.

Wheel off-set

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By changing to bigger dia wheels, would it hurt the gear ratios?

It wont change the gear ratios, but it will increase the dist your wheels travel per revolution. But as long as your overall diameter (wheel and tyre included) does not change, there wont be any difference.

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5. suggestions for tyre and tyre sizes?

Tyre size would depend on what size your original tyres were.

For performance, go in for the GS D2s, for long term reliability, bridgestone potenzas.

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1. what care should i take while choosing alloys

Make sure the alloy pillars or spokes, are strong enuf to handle indian roads. Don't go for the delicate thin ones.

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3. what alloys are good for indian conditions?

My car came with company fitted alloys. Not sure about aftermarket ones.

Shan2nu

speedsatya · 28th January 2005, 20:54

Neo and aura are the indian companies that make alloy rims.you get warranty for them

you can also get imported ones,but then there is no guarantee on them.
go for the indian ones.

Rehaan · 29th January 2005, 03:22

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here are a few question:
1. what care should i take while choosing alloys

2 things -
1. PCD - if a circle was draw passing through all 4 bolts on the ikons wheel, the PCD would be the diameter of that circle. The alloys you buy MUST have the SAME PCD as the ikon. Try to stay away from multi-pcd wheels (they will have multiple lug nut holes).
2. Offset - Most tire/wheel guys dont even know what this is...so good luck trying to get any info. First, to help understand what offset is, check this diagram out -

When choosing a wheel, you want to stay as close as possible to the original/intended offset of a wheel for that car. (it is measured in mm, should be between 30-45mm) Does anyone know what the ikon's offset is?. The further you deviate from that value, the more the handling will be affected, and the more stress put on suspension components and bearings. Get back to us with the change in offset (if you can find it! ie for the ikon or on the wheel u plan to buy!)

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3. what alloys are good for indian conditions?

For the Indian vs Imported alloys discussion, check this thread out.

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4. By changing to bigger dia wheels, would it hurt the gear ratios?

No, because the sidewall of your tire is being made shorter to compensate >

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5. suggestions for tyre and tyre sizes?

You must get tubeless.
Choose tires from 3 categories
Ultra-sport - super grippy, but sacrifice a bit on noise and comfort - Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D2 (or D3s if you can afford em), Michelin MXF sport
Sport+Comfort - Michelin Pilot Preceda's
Comfort - Michelin Certis
(yes im a big michelin fan...and for good reason!)

Let us know what you decide!
cya
R

Revvmaster · 29th January 2005, 19:36

Tyre Guru Rehaan has come up with the ideal answer here pal.

Make sure to take care of offset as he has pointed out. My own exercise in upping the tyre size (width and not diameter) was a bit of a disaster when i didn't take the offset into account. It'll kill your lower arms, guaranteed.

GS D2s should give you good performance, both on slippery and normal tarmac. MXFs offer similar level of performance... albeit they are a bit more noisy. GS-D3s are available only in 15" rim size and above.

Revv

normally_crazy · 29th January 2005, 20:51

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Originally Posted by shazikon

By going for an upsize i am looking at:
1. better handling
2. better looks
3. not too much loss in ride comfort.

thanks,

-shaz

hey pal ,

why not go for the combo i have on my ikon ?

185/60 R14 on ford alloys...and yeah the tyres are goodyear eagle F1's .

great looking , great handling without loss in comfort !!

try it out if u like it - y not?

cheers

and yeah - as for the alloys check out both indian and imported ones . indian ones have warranty and the imported ones have the variety. and yeah i havent a problem with imported ones till date ( choose very carefully).

your call now

Rehaan · 30th January 2005, 07:25

Oh yes,

Forgot to mention.
185 vs 195 is also something you should consider.

R

shazikon · 31st January 2005, 14:05

Rehan and shan2U
thanks for that bful info on offset and PCD.. i think i will check out IKONs wheel offset before i buy any alloys. btw does any one here know about ikons wheel offset ?
I am still not able to decide b/w 195 vs 185. Does any one has experience with 195? i mean does it touch the wheel well while turning? Bridgestone tyre show room guy did mention that 195 may touch the sides!

shazikon · 31st January 2005, 14:08

NC,
i thought of going for alloys provided by ford, but choices are very less.. i thought for almost the same price i could go for better looking ones like in league..
btw,did the ford guys give warranty on the alloys? can they replace one wheel if needed?
-shaz

shazikon · 14th February 2005, 15:11

hey guys,
here is the update, i went in for league 14 " alloys + bridgestone potenza GIII R14-60-195. the tyres look great on my car, but i am worried now.. i get a faint tac-tac-tac sound from the rear wheel s ( or from rear) when iam breaking, no idea whats happening here, ther wheels are completly off the suspension and the wheel wells, i checked the tyres and the body suspension around the back tyres, there are no marks or scratches -signs of tyre scrapping the body..the ride other wise is smooth, can any one let me knw whats happening? another down fall i feel is that my car has become sluggish..
thanks,
-shaz

ZenGT · 15th February 2005, 15:22

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Samurai · 14th April 2005, 08:27

Wasn't sure whether to open a new thread or post in this thread since my question is very similar to the one in this thread.

I am fitting the same tyres as shazicon, the Bridgestone Potenza GIII 195/60R14. I am seriously worried about the Alloy spec.

This much I am sure about...

Diameter: 14"
PCD: 100
Bolts: 4
Rim Size: 6"

But I am not sure about the offset. What is the offset of the stock wheel on Baleno, does anybody know?

Vulken Auto · 14th April 2005, 08:35

Samurai, Aura gives offset recommendation for baleno from 38-42 depending on design. I still like the 11 spoke one from aura for baleno

28th January 2005, 18:34	#1
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	14'' alloy + 195-60-R14 on Ford IKON 1.6zxi hey guys, i am thinking of upsizing my old 13" cast iron wheels + tube tyres with 14" alloys and tubeless Bridgestone potenza 195-60-R14. 2 tyres are soo worn out that the car wobbles at low speeds :( here are a few question: 1. what care should i take while choosing alloys 2. Please help me understand about offsets. 3. what alloys are good for indian conditions? 4. By changing to bigger dia wheels, would it hurt the gear ratios? 5. suggestions for tyre and tyre sizes? By going for an upsize i am looking at: 1. better handling 2. better looks 3. not too much loss in ride comfort. thanks, -shaz
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28th January 2005, 18:48	#2
nitroxx Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: DXB Posts: 816 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	its good ure not into looks only and stick wth the 14" in case of comfort use the michelin pilot precedas theyre the best tried and tested each one.
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28th January 2005, 20:54	#5
speedsatya Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: bangalore/manga Posts: 3,169 Thanked: 738 Times View My Garage	Neo and aura are the indian companies that make alloy rims.you get warranty for them you can also get imported ones,but then there is no guarantee on them. go for the indian ones.
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29th January 2005, 19:36	#7
Revvmaster Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,190 Thanked: 95 Times	Tyre Guru Rehaan has come up with the ideal answer here pal. Make sure to take care of offset as he has pointed out. My own exercise in upping the tyre size (width and not diameter) was a bit of a disaster when i didn't take the offset into account. It'll kill your lower arms, guaranteed. GS D2s should give you good performance, both on slippery and normal tarmac. MXFs offer similar level of performance... albeit they are a bit more noisy. GS-D3s are available only in 15" rim size and above. Revv
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30th January 2005, 07:25	#9
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,042 Thanked: 34,074 Times	Oh yes, Forgot to mention. 185 vs 195 is also something you should consider. R
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31st January 2005, 14:05	#10
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	Rehan and shan2U thanks for that bful info on offset and PCD.. i think i will check out IKONs wheel offset before i buy any alloys. btw does any one here know about ikons wheel offset ? I am still not able to decide b/w 195 vs 185. Does any one has experience with 195? i mean does it touch the wheel well while turning? Bridgestone tyre show room guy did mention that 195 may touch the sides!
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31st January 2005, 14:08	#11
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	NC, i thought of going for alloys provided by ford, but choices are very less.. i thought for almost the same price i could go for better looking ones like in league.. btw,did the ford guys give warranty on the alloys? can they replace one wheel if needed? -shaz
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14th February 2005, 15:11	#12
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	hey guys, here is the update, i went in for league 14 " alloys + bridgestone potenza GIII R14-60-195. the tyres look great on my car, but i am worried now.. i get a faint tac-tac-tac sound from the rear wheel s ( or from rear) when iam breaking, no idea whats happening here, ther wheels are completly off the suspension and the wheel wells, i checked the tyres and the body suspension around the back tyres, there are no marks or scratches -signs of tyre scrapping the body..the ride other wise is smooth, can any one let me knw whats happening? another down fall i feel is that my car has become sluggish.. thanks, -shaz
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15th February 2005, 15:22	#13
ZenGT BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 90 Thanked: 2 Times	Team Fs Ikon, 195/50/15 [IMG][/IMG]
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14th April 2005, 08:27	#14
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,828 Thanked: 45,529 Times View My Garage	Wasn't sure whether to open a new thread or post in this thread since my question is very similar to the one in this thread. I am fitting the same tyres as shazicon, the Bridgestone Potenza GIII 195/60R14. I am seriously worried about the Alloy spec. This much I am sure about... Diameter: 14" PCD: 100 Bolts: 4 Rim Size: 6" But I am not sure about the offset. What is the offset of the stock wheel on Baleno, does anybody know?
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14th April 2005, 08:35	#15
Vulken Auto BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: . Posts: 545 Thanked: 263 Times	Samurai, Aura gives offset recommendation for baleno from 38-42 depending on design. I still like the 11 spoke one from aura for baleno Last edited by Vulken Auto : 14th April 2005 at 08:38.
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