Weird issue with Goodyear GT3 Tubeless Tyres

XetaGLGRocks · 20th March 2008, 14:10

Hi,
I had purchased 5 Goodyear GT3 Tubeless tyres to replace the stock tyres on my XETA last July. A few days back I spotted the words "TUBE TYPE" on all 5. I was very surprised to see this and contacted the dealer. He claimed that GT3 doe not sell tyres as "TUBE TYPE" and "TUBELESS TYPE" separately. The one that has "TUBE TYPE" written is used as "TUBELESS".
Is this a true statement ? Or has the guy taken me for a ride

?

The Tyres have not given me any trouble at all till date. They are performing as they should.

Any suggestions from the gurus?

rapidsnail · 11th March 2009, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by XetaGLGRocks

Hi,
I had purchased 5 Goodyear GT3 Tubeless tyres to replace the stock tyres on my XETA last July. A few days back I spotted the words "TUBE TYPE" on all 5. I was very surprised to see this and contacted the dealer. He claimed that GT3 doe not sell tyres as "TUBE TYPE" and "TUBELESS TYPE" separately. The one that has "TUBE TYPE" written is used as "TUBELESS".
Is this a true statement ? Or has the guy taken me for a ride

?

The Tyres have not given me any trouble at all till date. They are performing as they should.

Any suggestions from the gurus?

Hi. My new U-VA has them as stock tyres. And they are tubeless (with same embrossed on them)

DjNik · 12th March 2009, 02:20

Did you get the tyres from Indo Radial?

iraghava · 12th March 2009, 04:04

You unfortunately have been taken for a ride by the dealer. Those tyres are Tube types fitted with tubeless valves to make them tubeless.

However, given the time that has passed, I doubt there's anything you could do. But find another dealer for your next purchase.

WasavaTyres · 12th March 2009, 08:38

They can be fitted as tubeless tyres and will not give any trouble in regard to performance or safety. But the dealer should have told you of this beforehand instead of you finding it out and then losing sleep over it.

Nikhilb2008 · 12th March 2009, 09:30

The construction is actually identical. There is no difference between the tubeless and tubetype versions of that tyre. That is why it could be fitted as a tubeless too. Otherwise by now, it would have started leaking.

It is basically a way of the dealer making quick money off you. Tubeless tyres are more expensive. Tubetype are cheaper. So, he would have got these for cheaper from the company and now he is selling it to you at the tubeless rates which are quite a bit higher.

WasavaTyres · 12th March 2009, 12:30

Nikhil you're very wrong here. Goodyear GT3 tubetype tyre is more expensive than GT3 tubeless. And the price diffrence is for the reason that the cost of tube is added to the tube-type tyre.. Technically if you see that is the way it should be and is the case with all tubeless sizes in goodyear. It's only brands like bridgestone that rip off customers by selling tubeless tyres too at the same price as tube-type ones. Do you seriously think that the input cost of a halo-butyl lining for the tubeless tyre is anywhere equivalent to a butyl tube ??

Nikhilb2008 · 12th March 2009, 12:45

Well, in that case MRF too. Because there are MRF ZV2K tyres which come in tubetype and Tubeless. And Tubetype is cheaper.

WasavaTyres · 12th March 2009, 14:41

Well I think at least people in the tyre trade know how MRF works. Besides throttling supplies to it's dealers to create an artficial shortage of it's tyres it also follows funny pricing policies. We'll be going completely OT if we start having a discussion on that her,so let's leave it at that.

sgiitk · 12th March 2009, 15:02

Looks like that there may be another reason. Even though the construction is identical those which meet the specs for Air Loss are sold as Tubeless, while those which fail the test are labelled tube types.

Even more than this it could simply the matter of over production of tubeless tyres and these are then flogged as tube types. A tubeless tyre can always be used with a tube. As for pricing while 90% of the time you change the tube with the tyre, in principle you can buy the tyre without the tube.

WasavaTyres · 12th March 2009, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgiitk

Looks like that there may be another reason. Even though the construction is identical those which meet the specs for Air Loss are sold as Tubeless, while those which fail the test are labelled tube types.

Even more than this it could simply the matter of over production of tubeless tyres and these are then flogged as tube types. A tubeless tyre can always be used with a tube. As for pricing while 90% of the time you change the tube with the tyre, in principle you can buy the tyre without the tube.

Do you mean to say that a majority of our cars are running on failed tyres ?? This is not the case my friend,but I like the way you think

sgiitk · 12th March 2009, 15:25

No I never said that. If the inner liner fails the test there is no reason for the rest of the tyre to be suspect. The tyre is perfectly suited for Tubed Operation.

Remember in the good old days all cars came fitted with tubeless tyres, and as soon you had a puncture you put in a tube since repair facilities for tubeless tyres were non-existent. So running tubes in tubeless tyres is almost as old as the Indian Made Car!

WasavaTyres · 12th March 2009, 15:35

sgiitk I agree with every word you say and apologize for having doubted your knowledge on tyres. You have the last word my friend, I retract my statements.

dadu · 12th March 2009, 16:15

the difference between the first post and the next is almost an year

WasavaTyres · 12th March 2009, 16:24

lol dadu I never noticed that. I guess his tyres would've half worn out by now.

20th March 2008, 14:10	#1
XetaGLGRocks BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 140 Thanked: 38 Times View My Garage	Weird issue with Goodyear GT3 Tubeless Tyres Hi, I had purchased 5 Goodyear GT3 Tubeless tyres to replace the stock tyres on my XETA last July. A few days back I spotted the words "TUBE TYPE" on all 5. I was very surprised to see this and contacted the dealer. He claimed that GT3 doe not sell tyres as "TUBE TYPE" and "TUBELESS TYPE" separately. The one that has "TUBE TYPE" written is used as "TUBELESS". Is this a true statement ? Or has the guy taken me for a ride ? The Tyres have not given me any trouble at all till date. They are performing as they should. Any suggestions from the gurus?
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12th March 2009, 02:20	#3
DjNik BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 340 Thanked: 3 Times	Did you get the tyres from Indo Radial?
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12th March 2009, 04:04	#4
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	You unfortunately have been taken for a ride by the dealer. Those tyres are Tube types fitted with tubeless valves to make them tubeless. However, given the time that has passed, I doubt there's anything you could do. But find another dealer for your next purchase.
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12th March 2009, 08:38	#5
WasavaTyres BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indore Posts: 816 Thanked: 449 Times View My Garage	They can be fitted as tubeless tyres and will not give any trouble in regard to performance or safety. But the dealer should have told you of this beforehand instead of you finding it out and then losing sleep over it.
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12th March 2009, 09:30	#6
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,136 Times	The construction is actually identical. There is no difference between the tubeless and tubetype versions of that tyre. That is why it could be fitted as a tubeless too. Otherwise by now, it would have started leaking. It is basically a way of the dealer making quick money off you. Tubeless tyres are more expensive. Tubetype are cheaper. So, he would have got these for cheaper from the company and now he is selling it to you at the tubeless rates which are quite a bit higher.
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12th March 2009, 12:30	#7
WasavaTyres BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indore Posts: 816 Thanked: 449 Times View My Garage	Nikhil you're very wrong here. Goodyear GT3 tubetype tyre is more expensive than GT3 tubeless. And the price diffrence is for the reason that the cost of tube is added to the tube-type tyre.. Technically if you see that is the way it should be and is the case with all tubeless sizes in goodyear. It's only brands like bridgestone that rip off customers by selling tubeless tyres too at the same price as tube-type ones. Do you seriously think that the input cost of a halo-butyl lining for the tubeless tyre is anywhere equivalent to a butyl tube ??
	() Thanks

12th March 2009, 12:45	#8
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,136 Times	Well, in that case MRF too. Because there are MRF ZV2K tyres which come in tubetype and Tubeless. And Tubetype is cheaper.
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12th March 2009, 14:41	#9
WasavaTyres BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indore Posts: 816 Thanked: 449 Times View My Garage	Well I think at least people in the tyre trade know how MRF works. Besides throttling supplies to it's dealers to create an artficial shortage of it's tyres it also follows funny pricing policies. We'll be going completely OT if we start having a discussion on that her,so let's leave it at that.
	() Thanks

12th March 2009, 15:02	#10
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,787 Times	Looks like that there may be another reason. Even though the construction is identical those which meet the specs for Air Loss are sold as Tubeless, while those which fail the test are labelled tube types. Even more than this it could simply the matter of over production of tubeless tyres and these are then flogged as tube types. A tubeless tyre can always be used with a tube. As for pricing while 90% of the time you change the tube with the tyre, in principle you can buy the tyre without the tube.
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12th March 2009, 15:25	#12
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,787 Times	No I never said that. If the inner liner fails the test there is no reason for the rest of the tyre to be suspect. The tyre is perfectly suited for Tubed Operation. Remember in the good old days all cars came fitted with tubeless tyres, and as soon you had a puncture you put in a tube since repair facilities for tubeless tyres were non-existent. So running tubes in tubeless tyres is almost as old as the Indian Made Car!
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12th March 2009, 15:35	#13
WasavaTyres BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indore Posts: 816 Thanked: 449 Times View My Garage	sgiitk I agree with every word you say and apologize for having doubted your knowledge on tyres. You have the last word my friend, I retract my statements.
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12th March 2009, 16:15	#14
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,803 Thanked: 462 Times View My Garage	the difference between the first post and the next is almost an year
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12th March 2009, 16:24	#15
WasavaTyres BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indore Posts: 816 Thanked: 449 Times View My Garage	lol dadu I never noticed that. I guess his tyres would've half worn out by now.
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