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Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild (Post 4997487)
Bro got the primacy 4 205/55/16 - 9k a tyre

Could you provide feedback on mileage, steering feel in terms of heaviness, pickup etc after upgrading to new tyres? Any noticeable change with respect to stock oem tyres? Also any idea on how does the primacy 4 compare to the Yokohama blue earth GT?

I am using the Continental CC5 185/65 past one year. I haven't felt any issue with handling or steering getting stiffer. The ride is still smoother and a slight increase the GC is the added advantage. That being said, the downside of a wider tyre is my FE has come down, and i now get about 10-12 avg km/li with city traffic. Highways do vary between 15-16 avg km/li.

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Originally Posted by automachine (Post 5142785)
Could you provide feedback on mileage, steering feel in terms of heaviness, pickup etc after upgrading to new tyres? Any noticeable change with respect to stock oem tyres? Also any idea on how does the primacy 4 compare to the Yokohama blue earth GT?

So sorry for the late reply,firstly there isn't any difference in the mileage at all after tyre change,steering feels absolutely the same as it did with the stock oem bridgestone ecopia 185 width tyre, pickup and performance are exactly the same as they were on 185 width tyres, however handling has improved greatly with the 205 michelin primacy, also with 205 width tyres the car looks a little better as compared to 185 width which in my opinion looks very under tyred.Have never used the yokohama blue earth tyre hence cant compare with the michelins. Hope this helps:)

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Originally Posted by aenkay91 (Post 4695817)
I believe the 2012 Honda CIty ( Type 3 facelift) came with 15 inchers on all the models. Are you sure it's a 14 incher for you? Mine also came with Michelin XM1 175/65 R15 which I upgraded to the Continental MC5 195/60 R15 last year and the changes, I must say are noteworthy.

I wouldn't recommend the 195/65 as the circumference difference gets >4% which is double the recommended change of <2%. The 195/60 hits the sweet spot with the right amout of width and GC improvement.

Coming to the tyre, I had narrowed down on the Michelin P3ST ( P4ST didn't launch back then) and the Continental MC5. Both are soft compound silica based and are known for low road noise, better wet and dry grip and a cushioned ride quality. I got a very good deal on the MC5 at the last moment and decided to go for the same and I don't regret making the choice.

Pros -
1. Road noise reduced by a huge amount and I now have a lot more silent ride
2. The car avoids scrapping many speed breakers which it would, with the previous tyres
3. The streering feel has improved marginally.
4. The grip has improved immensely and the car now corners very confidently. IMO the original 175 section was way too thin and held the car back.

Cons-
1. Michelins are known for their low rolling resistance and henceit takes a bit more effort to gain traction on this one.
2. Ever so slight drop in fuel efficiency ( ~12kmpl to ~11.5kmpl)
3. Michelins look better IMO.

Overall I'm very safisfied with the change and would highly recommend the same. With either tyres - Continental MC5 or the Michelin P4ST, you cannot go wrong. :)


Dear aenkay91,
Since you have installed wider 195mm width tyres against the OEM size of 175mm width tyres, are you experiencing heavy steering than with the earlier 175mm width tyres?

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Originally Posted by jeygani (Post 5103929)
Upgraded my Honda City's tyres to Yokohoma BluEarth-GT AE51 195/65 R15 from Michelin Primacy 3st 195/60 R15. Michelins ran close to 80K, had a good tread life but age caught on and were dry rotting leading to cracks :unhappy
If not for the dry rotting issue, I would have got Michelins again.

I tried for Continental UC6, but the 65 profile wasn't available.

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These are from last week April'21.

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On Honda OEM alloy width 5.5j.

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Fits wheel well properly with less gap.

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I can't say much about the new tyres as of now, fitted and driven back home.

Cost Rs.5900 each, total Rs.23600 including wheel alignment and balancing.



Dear jeygani,
Since you have installed wider 195mm width tyres against the OEM size of 175mm width tyres, are you experiencing heavy steering than with the earlier 175mm width tyres?

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Originally Posted by sdatta (Post 3833470)
Finally upgraded from MRF 175/65/R15 to Michaelin Primacy 3ST 195/60/R15 as suggested by most in this thread, also for being a Michelin fan from my Maruti Swift days.

And now I am thinking why I didn't do it before! The old tyres were run only about 32K km but for almost 5 years the car drives much smooth now and the cornering abilities improved drastically which was my main reason to go for a wider tyre.

I was worried about multiple things and that delayed this upgrade and I'll list my feedback for each of these as some others might be concerned about this also.

1. The look of the 195 tyre on the standard alloys of 5.5J size. - Some posts here mention about this and I had worried if the tyre side wall will look balloon. To me it looks fine.. 195 is the max size that a 5.5J can hold as per the spec I read somewhere and I find it to be accurate. See photos
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2. Mileage - - this is odd but my mileage IMPROVED. I was getting 11.9 constantly on the dashboard and now I am getting 13+ on mixed condition driving in Pune. I can tell the moment I started the car it felt to me that the car is accelerating faster, rolling faster (firmly but faster). I thought they must have over inflated the tyre, so I measure the pressure (at Shell pump fairly accurate machine in cold condition) and it read 30 in the back, 31 in the front.... My old tyres used to be 33 in front and 30 in back as recommended by Honda and I always measure tyre pressure in cold condition. (usually morning, and not driven more than 2 km). The only logical explanation I can think of behind this mileage improvement is that it's possible that my old tyres were too bad, became so hard and it was difficult for the car to get enough friction to make it roll...but I dont know if it makes sense technically. Anyway, the point is that clearly if you are worried about mileage, I dont think this tyre will reduce any mileage for you, and may even make it better.

3. Tyre touching wheel arch when multiple people sitting in back - One tyre dealer told me this that he had a customer with this problem, and also I read one post on the internet where this happened. I have not tried sitting 3 people in the back but with my wife and kid in the back, the tyre hasn't touch the wheel arch and I don't think it ever will.

So, super happy with this tyre upgrade. I didn't even talk about noise and riding comfort much as those are pretty much obvious on this tyre as mentioned in multiple posts. One important point though is that I dont think look of the car improves much by this upgrade as it's a very low ground clearance car, and you barely see the tyre. When I upgraded tyre on my Swift the looks enhancement was dramatic, but with the Honda city, well not much...(see photo)

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Dear sdatta,
Since you have installed wider 195mm width tyres against the OEM size of 175mm width tyres, are you experiencing heavy steering than with the earlier 175mm width tyres?

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Originally Posted by vvb8530 (Post 3192849)
Hi Guys!!

My knowledge of tyre's is not very great hence need your suggestions.

I own a 2010 Honda City S which has run about 28000kms and I have been running it on the stock Michelin XM1's which it came with and only the rim has been changed to after market 15" Lenso Project D alloys.

I am not very satisfied with the XM1's majorly because i feel they are not durable, do not provide as much grip as i would prefer and road noise is very high specially on concrete roads. Also the design of the alloy is such that it protrudes out from the side and this i have been told is because i need wider tryes.

I am attaching a picture of the alloy that i have not sure if it would be helpful in explaining my point though;

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One of the tyres has already been damaged with a cut on the sidewall when the car went over a drainage cover. Although i had got this damaged tyre repaired from a local puncture shop by desi jugaad and transferred it onto the spare, it has developed a bulge and needs replacement. Since i was going to replace one new trye i thought i might as well up size, change all 4 and keep one of the old XM1 in the spare.

I need suggestions for which tyre's to go for, as from what i understand from reading on the forum 195/60 would be the perfect size. Please suggest if I should go for 195/60 or any other size. Should i consider Yokohama C Drives, Michelin XM2 or any other. A fellow Bhpian is using C drives on his City and strongly recommends these.

My main requirement;

1. Needs to be durable over potholed roads of Mumbai.
2. Ride comfort.
3. Great grip over dry and wet roads for highway runs.
4. I do not really care about any minor changes in the fuel consumption as this car is not used on a daily basis.
5. I would ideally not like to spend over 5 to 5.5K per wheel.

At the risk of sounding absurd and confused there is also another thing, I plan to replace this car in a years time or maybe even less, so should i even change the tyres or let the XM1's be and just change the damaged spare since there is still life for another 10K left in the threads. Its a matter of heart over head which is forcing me to change all 4, upsize and enjoy the ride over the next few months. While head keeps telling me that maybe you are wasting money now, since it is not like you will get a better resale for the car with new tyres.

Guys please help as any suggestions/ recommendations at this time will be very helpful and highly appreciated.

Thanks & regards,
VVB


Dear vvb8530,
Since you have installed wider 195mm width tyres against the OEM size of 175mm width tyres, are you experiencing heavy steering than with the earlier 175mm width tyres?

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Originally Posted by Wheel Spin (Post 5221391)
Dear aenkay91,
Since you have installed wider 195mm width tyres against the OEM size of 175mm width tyres, are you experiencing heavy steering than with the earlier 175mm width tyres?

Yes the steering did get ever so slightly heavier but only for good. The car feels much more planted and confident carrying speed through corners and I've never felt I'm losing grip which was the case with the 175 section. The 195s are the best suited for City as it comes with this size in other markets. Also, there's no hit to the fuel efficiency or speedo errors.

Been driving on them since 2018 and I'm very satisfied with these tyres.

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Originally Posted by aenkay91 (Post 5233571)
Yes the steering did get ever so slightly heavier but only for good. The car feels much more planted and confident carrying speed through corners and I've never felt I'm losing grip which was the case with the 175 section. The 195s are the best suited for City as it comes with this size in other markets. Also, there's no hit to the fuel efficiency or speedo errors.

Been driving on them since 2018 and I'm very satisfied with these tyres.

Recently, I have installed 195/60 R15 size Continental UltraContact UC6 tyres in my 3rd Gen Honda City replacing 175/65 R15 size Michelin Energy XM1 tyres which were cracking. I could feel improved traction immediately in my first drive but I also felt heavier steering than earlier.

In my opinion, for highway driving the wider tyres with higher traction is good and for city driving the OEM size with lighter steering is desirable.

Recently changed the shoes for my 3rd Generation 2010 Honda City, was thinking of upgrading to 195/60/R15, but kept 185/65/R15, which I was currently using for almost 6.5 years now, the outgoing tires were Bridgestone B250, had a decent tread life of about 10-12k KMs more, but sidewalls started developing cracks, and I don't want to drive with even a single sidewall crack in the approaching summers of northern India.
Changed to Yokohama Earth1, for ₹ 21000 (including wheel balancing and alignment and scrapped old tires).
The deciding factor against an upsize to 195/60/R15 was the slight decrease in ground clearance. The calculations of variations from stock size are :-
Tyre size. (Diameter of wheel+ Tyre)
175-65-R15 (381+(175x0.65)= 494.75mm
185-65-R15 (381+(185x0.65)= 501.25mm
195-60-R15 (381+(195x0.60)= 498mm
195-65-R15 (381+(195x0.65)= 507.75mm, this upsize is not recommended as the variation is higher than 2%.
So, the best size for me was 185-65-R15, which I was already using. However, upgraded to Yokohama for a less noisy experience.

Upgraded tires on 2021 5th Gen Honda City ZX CVT to 205-55-R16 Michelin Primacy 4ST.

Actually it was a mistake as I wanted to get 205-50-R16, but when I sent the text message to the tire dealer I typed in 55 and he ordered it. So I didn't want the hassle of returning and it actually fits the wheel well a lot better.

Key metrics -
1) Increased the ground clearance by 0.45 inches, or 11 mm. Ground clearance was not really an issue to begin with, but now its even better.
2) Speedo meter error of -3 km/hr at around 80-90 i.e. reading is 80, while actual will be 83.
3) Better ride and I feel the ride is very complaint now, which was already soft.
4) Handles, brakes and grips better, feels a lot more planted, puts the power down better as well.
5) Super quite ride. I can't stress this enough, this car is very quiet on smooth roads (In the US I own a Tesla Model Y and Volvo XC90, so its really high benchmark).
6) Didn't really check the fuel efficiency. I'm getting 12-13 average combined before and after.
7) Overall, I paid Rs. 29,600, after returning the old tires (with 700 km on it), for Rs. 2,250 each (Rs. 9,000) total.

Hi everyone,

I need to change the tyres of my Honda City 2010 (ivtec). Currently I am on Yokohama 175/65/R15 84T and they have become hard more than worn out due to usage. This car is used mainly for neighbourhood drives and not used much otherwise. Need advice on which to go for (assuming it would be advisable to stick to same size specs), with keeping safety, ride quality and road noise factor in consideration. It would also be helpful as to know how much would these go for.

Look forward to some suggestions.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Vashanis (Post 5268074)
Hi everyone,

I need to change the tyres of my Honda City 2010 (ivtec). Currently I am on Yokohama 175/65/R15 84T and they have become hard more than worn out due to usage. This car is used mainly for neighbourhood drives and not used much otherwise. Need advice on which to go for (assuming it would be advisable to stick to same size specs), with keeping safety, ride quality and road noise factor in consideration. It would also be helpful as to know how much would these go for.

Look forward to some suggestions.

Cheers!

I have been using a Continental CC5 185/65 R15 on my 2012 City since 2020 October, and driven it through both city and highways. Covered about 10k kms since I bought it and I am just loving this tyre.

Pros: I had a stock GoodYear before that and the new tyre combo did increase the GC slightly. Again, slightly bcz Bangalore bumps which used to scrap before can now be cruised without hesitation. This Continental CC5 is super silent on highway (I rode from Bangalore to Ahmedabad in Dec and it really felt the difference!! Felt the same on Trivandrum to Bangalore highway, Ahmedabad to Udaipur highway etc). With the wider tyre people say the steering gets harder and all which I didn't feel at all (or probably got used to it by now). But car shows more grip around corners and feels solid at high speeds (not recommended to go fast, but if you do on highway you do get the confidence).

Lastly, every positive should also have a bit of con isn't it ;). With the upgrade on the tyre size sadly I lost out 1-2kmpl mileage.

I bought it from Amazon and it's been serving me brilliantly so far without any puncture and I got it at about 4200rs a piece (all offers and discounts inclusive). But if you are able to get something around the same price at a tyre shop near your house do grab them! You'll enjoy it :)

Continental CC5 or not, definitely upgrade the tyre to the size I mentioned and you would feel the drive being a lot different. I have read others who upgraded even higher and felt the ride getting even better. So read through them all and get your head around pros and cons!

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Originally Posted by HolyStig (Post 5271786)
Continental CC5 or not, definitely upgrade the tyre to the size I mentioned and you would feel the drive being a lot different. I have read others who upgraded even higher and felt the ride getting even better. So read through them all and get your head around pros and cons!

Thanks HolyStig, will check them out!
Cheers

Hi everyone.
I have a Honda City, 2011 i-Vtec.
The car has run about 1,15,000 km and I changed the stock tyres at about 60,000 km. I went from 175/65/R15 to 185/65/R15.
The front suspension was gone by about 80,000 km and I got a complete change from a trusted mechanic.
Now, the tyres are almost gone and they need a change but I have been told that there is some suspension work to do.

1) Did the upsize from 175/65 to 185/65 accelerate suspension deterioration? And should I go back to 175/65 profile tyres?

2) How does one identify suspension problems properly and are there better options in the market as compared to Honda supplied suspensions kits? (Bought from Sunder Auto parts in Worli)

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by inwester (Post 5266865)
3) Better ride and I feel the ride is very complaint now, which was already soft.

Does upsizing has reduced the suspension softness or it has become less bouncy on high speed or at least above 70 KMPH?

Hi Everyone,
Need your inputs planning to book, VX CVT, it comes with a 185/55 R16.

Could you recommend a proper upgrade for this.

Tyre dealer says 195 would be a better option than 205.

He says Michelin not available, Conti is there. If not should I ask for any other brand

Any suggestion from the members.

Thanks,
Arun

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Originally Posted by Arun_S (Post 5368650)

Need your inputs planning to book, VX CVT, it comes with a 185/55 R16.

Could you recommend a proper upgrade for this.

Tyre dealer says 195 would be a better option than 205.

Because of the increase in rolling circumference, 195/55R16 would give a speedometer error of 1.8% while 205/55R16 would give a speedometer error of 3.6%. Though 3% is the max increase in rolling circumference recommended, there are many BHPians who have fitted 205/55R16 without any issues. Do consider the cons of a 2-step upgrade - heavier steering, reduced fuel efficiency and of course, the higher price.

On the other hand you’ll benefit in a big way in terms of increased ground clearance (a massive 10 mm) and the taller sidewall will improve your comfort.

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Originally Posted by Arun_S (Post 5368650)

He says Michelin not available, Conti is there. If not should I ask for any other brand

Any suggestion from the members.

Check for Yokohama definitely - both BluEarth and Earth 1 are quite popular with enthusiasts.

There’s also the VFM choice - Ceat Securadrive - and off the beaten track choice - Vredestein Ultrac Vorti.


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