Michelin Energy XM1+ & Bridgestone Turanza ER-60....The Best Allrounders?

Nikhilb2008 · 18th February 2009, 21:26

I would go for Michelin. The feel of the rubber is absolutelu superb!! Somehow, I love touching and feeling a Michelin tyre(no dirty thoughts please!!). The rubber seems so much softer. Only the Yokos come close, but even then, the Michelin feels so nice to touch.

Very rarely will you find a rough or sharp edge in a Michelin tyre. Especially the XM1.

Of course, when it comes to performance, I dont think there is ANY difference

. Go with whichever your heart desires or whichever is easy on your wallet.

roms · 19th February 2009, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by anachronix

BHPians,

I have 3 tyres in mind

1. BS Turanza ER60 - 175/65 R14 (OE)
2. XM1+ - 185/65 R14
3. Continental Eco Contact 3 - 185/65 R14

Yokos, I am reading mixed reports about these tyres here. So I am not sure if I want to try them.

Any suggestions for me folks!?

I had checked out the Continental Eco Contact 3 while making my tyre decision. These tyres felt softer than the Michelins ! The owner of the shop is running the same set of tyres on his car and he did mention that the ride quality was even better than on the XM1+. They are a bit cheaper than the Michelins too. The possible downside of such soft compound tyres are that they might not be able to handle very harsh conditions and secondly, as the dealer mentioned, they will wear out pretty quickly.

I personally went in for the XM1+ and am loving every drive. The ride quality on tar roads especially is amazing, so is the handling. You could opt for Turanza ER-60 or A-Drives as well. There is very little to choose from between these three, except the price.

Proxima · 19th February 2009, 13:57

Plan to get XM1+ for my to be delivered Ikon TCDI. Good choice? Or do I go for the ER-60s?

i will have to pay 5k to exchange the OE tyres with the XM1+s. Not sure about the pricing for the ER-60s.

Nikhilb2008 · 19th February 2009, 14:13

The XM1+ is a very good choice Proxima. You dont need to worry abt it unduly. A friend is running XM1+ on his Palio 1.6 in Madras and has no complaints whatsoever. It handles quite decently too.

anachronix · 19th February 2009, 16:19

Thanks for your suggestions folks!

I have almost decided on the XM1+ for the Ford Ikon. But I am not able to decide on the upgrade profile.

My OE specs are 175/65 R14. I did a tyre upgrade calculation and found the diameter difference to be...

185/65 R14 - (+)2.23%
185/60 R14 - (-)0.94%

Which spec to chose? I dont really want to run on a downsized profile! But the difference of 2.23%, does it have any fatal effect on braking/handling?

Nikhilb2008 · 19th February 2009, 16:34

No. +2% is still ok. It's not too bad. You wont find any difference in handling, braking, etc.

Your ride comfort will be marginally better as the extra rubber will provide better cushioning.

dkhatau · 19th February 2009, 16:36

@ Anachronix
Go for Michelin XM1+, i had also changed my stock MRF ZVTS for michelin xm1 for my ikon after going through this forum. They are absolutely rocking tyres. I have done 13000 kms on them and they are performing just like new.

zen91 · 19th February 2009, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by anachronix

Thanks for your suggestions folks!

I have almost decided on the XM1+ for the Ford Ikon. But I am not able to decide on the upgrade profile.

My OE specs are 175/65 R14. I did a tyre upgrade calculation and found the diameter difference to be...

185/65 R14 - (+)2.23%
185/60 R14 - (-)0.94%

Which spec to chose? I dont really want to run on a downsized profile! But the difference of 2.23%, does it have any fatal effect on braking/handling?

Close your eyes and go for the 185/65 R14 XM1+ for your Ford Ikon.

I have bought these just a week back for my Ikon.

The tyres have made a world of difference to the ride/handling and specifically the braking of the car and you hardly have any road noise.

The ride height of the car has increased a bit and I am enjoying every bit of my car now.

mobike008 · 20th February 2009, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by zen91

Close your eyes and go for the 185/65 R14 XM1+ for your Ford Ikon.

I have bought these just a week back for my Ikon.

The tyres have made a world of difference to the ride/handling and specifically the braking of the car and you hardly have any road noise.

The ride height of the car has increased a bit and I am enjoying every bit of my car now.

Brajesh, i am planning to go for same brand but for a slightly wider ones. 195/65/14. How much you paid and where you got it from?

Fountainheader · 20th February 2009, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobike008

Brajesh, i am planning to go for same brand but for a slightly wider ones. 195/65/14. How much you paid and where you got it from?

mobike,
I thought you were planning for the Yokohama A-Drives. Why change in plans ? And what is the price difference between the A-Drives and XM1+ for 14" ?

zensure · 20th February 2009, 17:08

Does anybody have experience with Yoko C-Drive and Yoko AVS dB?

How does C-Drive compare with XM1+? Cost?

zen91 · 20th February 2009, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobike008

Brajesh, i am planning to go for same brand but for a slightly wider ones. 195/65/14. How much you paid and where you got it from?

Avi Bhai, I bought it for Rs.3650/- each from Fida Ali at Toli Chowki. I guess the price difference may not be much between the 185 and the 195.

Just found out from Fida Ali..Michelin XM1+ does not have 195/65R14, as Michelin manufactures only 195/60/70/R14.

195/60R14 will cost Rs.4325/ each.

anachronix · 23rd February 2009, 12:25

Finally swapped rubber on my Ikon.

I put on the Continental Eco Contact 3 with upsize to 185/65 R14 from 175/65 R14. The ride feels more cushioned except for the lame feeling that I notice a slight performance drop.

The tyres are awesome otherwise. Have covered around 100 KMs with them. The grip levels are good and the tyres are amazingly silent.

I am waiting for my drive planned to Kerala where I can put the tyre to some real test!

mobike008 · 23rd February 2009, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fountainheader

mobike,
I thought you were planning for the Yokohama A-Drives. Why change in plans ? And what is the price difference between the A-Drives and XM1+ for 14" ?

Well, i was in a tussle between Yoko's and Michelins and as per most feedbacks, i think i may be going with Michelins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zen91

Avi Bhai, I bought it for Rs.3650/- each from Fida Ali at Toli Chowki. I guess the price difference may not be much between the 185 and the 195.

Just found out from Fida Ali..Michelin XM1+ does not have 195/65R14, as Michelin manufactures only 195/60/70/R14.

195/60R14 will cost Rs.4325/ each.

Thanks, I went to Wheelocity this morning to check out the tyres and they had only XM1. Is it an older version of XM1+ ?

finneyp · 23rd February 2009, 13:46

Yes Mobike, XM1 is the older version, go for XM1+ only.

18th February 2009, 21:26	#61
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,134 Times	I would go for Michelin. The feel of the rubber is absolutelu superb!! Somehow, I love touching and feeling a Michelin tyre(no dirty thoughts please!!). The rubber seems so much softer. Only the Yokos come close, but even then, the Michelin feels so nice to touch. Very rarely will you find a rough or sharp edge in a Michelin tyre. Especially the XM1. Of course, when it comes to performance, I dont think there is ANY difference . Go with whichever your heart desires or whichever is easy on your wallet.
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19th February 2009, 13:57	#63
Proxima BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 909 Thanked: 298 Times	Plan to get XM1+ for my to be delivered Ikon TCDI. Good choice? Or do I go for the ER-60s? i will have to pay 5k to exchange the OE tyres with the XM1+s. Not sure about the pricing for the ER-60s. Last edited by Proxima : 19th February 2009 at 13:59.
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19th February 2009, 14:13	#64
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,134 Times	The XM1+ is a very good choice Proxima. You dont need to worry abt it unduly. A friend is running XM1+ on his Palio 1.6 in Madras and has no complaints whatsoever. It handles quite decently too.
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19th February 2009, 16:19	#65
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	Thanks for your suggestions folks! I have almost decided on the XM1+ for the Ford Ikon. But I am not able to decide on the upgrade profile. My OE specs are 175/65 R14. I did a tyre upgrade calculation and found the diameter difference to be... 185/65 R14 - (+)2.23% 185/60 R14 - (-)0.94% Which spec to chose? I dont really want to run on a downsized profile! But the difference of 2.23%, does it have any fatal effect on braking/handling?
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19th February 2009, 16:34	#66
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,134 Times	No. +2% is still ok. It's not too bad. You wont find any difference in handling, braking, etc. Your ride comfort will be marginally better as the extra rubber will provide better cushioning.
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19th February 2009, 16:36	#67
dkhatau BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: mumbai Posts: 162 Thanked: 43 Times	@ Anachronix Go for Michelin XM1+, i had also changed my stock MRF ZVTS for michelin xm1 for my ikon after going through this forum. They are absolutely rocking tyres. I have done 13000 kms on them and they are performing just like new.
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20th February 2009, 17:08	#71
zensure BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 47 Thanked: 71 Times	Does anybody have experience with Yoko C-Drive and Yoko AVS dB? How does C-Drive compare with XM1+? Cost?
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23rd February 2009, 12:25	#73
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	Finally swapped rubber on my Ikon. I put on the Continental Eco Contact 3 with upsize to 185/65 R14 from 175/65 R14. The ride feels more cushioned except for the lame feeling that I notice a slight performance drop. The tyres are awesome otherwise. Have covered around 100 KMs with them. The grip levels are good and the tyres are amazingly silent. I am waiting for my drive planned to Kerala where I can put the tyre to some real test!
	() Thanks

23rd February 2009, 13:46	#75
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,716 Thanked: 319 Times View My Garage	Yes Mobike, XM1 is the older version, go for XM1+ only.
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