Michelin Primacy LC

The Saint · 1st June 2010, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

Oh. Sorry! I typed a reply last night but some error. Didnt post.

The Saint --- The Primacy LC will do just fine. Dont worry about it.

Lalit --- It is soft, but it's not unmanageable. Just be careful and remember the tyre your car is running on is not an MRF or Apollo Amazer.

Dont even think of comparing it with a B250. The B250 is a low end tyre. The MXV8 is the predecessor to the PLC. They both are on par on almost all counts.

Thanks nikhil, one more question, will there be any high speed lack of sticking on the road while cornering (say 160++)? and close zig zag Maneuver (I mean if you are tailgating and you switch your lane immediately), I have done research on the net, they are pretty good in wet and high speed breaking.

Thanks bro

Nikhilb2008 · 1st June 2010, 16:06

Well, you can never say anything for sure. It depends on the road surface, your car, how quickly you turn the steering wheel, etc....

For most basic things, it is good. An easier solution would be NOT to tailgate!

ampere · 1st June 2010, 16:12

Last year I was looking at options (For Fusion). Thats when P-LC was just introduced. I was very much fine with stock tyres (Goodyear). And the price between GY and Michelin turned out to be 10K.

(11K versus 21K). I went with regular Good year. Its running fine. I have done about 10K already.

The Saint · 1st June 2010, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

Well, you can never say anything for sure. It depends on the road surface, your car, how quickly you turn the steering wheel, etc....

For most basic things, it is good. An easier solution would be NOT to tailgate!

Thanks bro, sorry to bug you, letme ask you this way, keeping in mind my requirements do you think PLC is the best or you recommend something else.

Thanks

Nikhilb2008 · 1st June 2010, 17:50

The PLC is a very good tyre. I personally would go for the Conti CPC2. In fact, I did. But for outright silence and comfort, nothing touches the PLC.

The Saint · 2nd June 2010, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

The PLC is a very good tyre. I personally would go for the Conti CPC2. In fact, I did. But for outright silence and comfort, nothing touches the PLC.

Thanks bro, I did my own testing latel ast evening in Mumbai, keeping in mind Mumbai roads are very different then other states and metro's very slippery, uneven and rough.

My first impression:

- Good handling on cornering, I did at 120kms and it was just sticking on the road like a glue. Remember the above road conditions.
-Great breaking on high speed, i am so impressed with it.
-Zig zag just out of this world, holds the car and the road inch perfect.

One more thing I will like to add the car takes of like a rocket, I mean the civic is sluggish in low torgue but since PLC I feel a minor difference.

Overall very good performance with comfort and handling.

Thanks for all the advice, this my personal opinion on Honda Civic 215/55/16.

Cheers

mkh · 25th June 2010, 20:31

I may sound really naive here, but as far as i know a tyre upgrade is only if there is a need to drive on the highways

However reading a few threads, i see that on the ANHC people upgrade for better road grip and even get higher GC
Can someone tell me if i really need an upgrade on my new ANHC? My drive is sedate, and almost 90% in city. No high speed cornerings etc at all
Currently i have Michelin XM1 and i will be going in for alloys for the stock rim size.
Please give me the pros and cons and also if the warranty should not get void with an upgrade.

razor4077 · 5th July 2010, 14:30

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Originally Posted by mkh

I may sound really naive here, but as far as i know a tyre upgrade is only if there is a need to drive on the highways

Not true

A better set of tyres goes a long way to improve your in-city driving as well.

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Originally Posted by mkh

However reading a few threads, i see that on the ANHC people upgrade for better road grip and even get higher GC
Can someone tell me if i really need an upgrade on my new ANHC? My drive is sedate, and almost 90% in city. No high speed cornerings etc at all
Currently i have Michelin XM1 and i will be going in for alloys for the stock rim size.
Please give me the pros and cons and also if the warranty should not get void with an upgrade.

To be honest, given your driving style and usage, I see no point in changing your tyres. XM1 (or if I'm not mistaken, XM1+) is a very good tyre - comfortable, quiet and offers adequate grip+braking for sedate driving. Given that it is an ANHC, the tyres wouldn't be that old either. And since you aren't planning on upsizing, the existing tyres will do just fine.

tsk13 · 5th July 2010, 22:16

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Originally Posted by razor4077

To be honest, given your driving style and usage, I see no point in changing your tyres. XM1 (or if I'm not mistaken, XM1+) is a very good tyre - comfortable, quiet and offers adequate grip+braking for sedate driving. Given that it is an ANHC, the tyres wouldn't be that old either. And since you aren't planning on upsizing, the existing tyres will do just fine.

Razor, XM1 which are stock on ANHC are too noisy, XM1+ takes care of this noise. Regarding comfort, they aren't that laudable.

Nikhilb2008 · 6th July 2010, 07:51

XM1 is same as XM1+ except for deeper tread depth.

tsk13 · 6th July 2010, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

XM1 is same as XM1+ except for deeper tread depth.

Thanks for information, I believe the extra depth has been added to enhance life, true? Moreover, are the Energy XM1+'s different from normal XM1+'s like the one I've on Xing (155/70 R13)? I've seen the Michelin model where-in two different balls are used on 2 paralled half-circular paths to compare the rolling resistance.

Moreover Nikhil, the XM1's on my ANHC are very noisy (I PMed you regarding this as well). Will Anti-Rust treatment filter out the sound, I read this somewhere on TBHP?

Nikhilb2008 · 7th July 2010, 10:44

Energy XM1+ has silica in the tread compound. Normal XM1+(in 12" and 13") does not have this.

You can try the anti rust coating. Anyway, can you confirm if it is XM1 or XM+ on the ANHC?

tsk13 · 7th July 2010, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

Energy XM1+ has silica in the tread compound. Normal XM1+(in 12" and 13") does not have this.

You can try the anti rust coating. Anyway, can you confirm if it is XM1 or XM+ on the ANHC?

It's XM1 for sure. Civic comes with MXV8 even when Primacy LC has long replaced the former, don't know how much stock is Michelins having or are they still producing XM1 and MXV8 for Honda?

navan49 · 7th July 2010, 22:49

My Ritz got puncture yesterday. People say theat if we use tubless tyres we can drive with punture for 50 or 1ookms. With that concept in mind I drove around 3 0r 4 kms. Alas my wheel was flat. I changed the spare wheel and drove for 450 kms. Now I have no idea whether my punctured tyre will work or not. If not it is sad to know that it did not last even 30k Kms. Any comments on this.

Xehaust · 8th July 2010, 01:18

If it was completely flat then you shoudnt have driven it ahead. Generally, tubeless tyres do not lose air quickly when punctured. Hence, you can drive them till you find a fix as long as you keep filling in air every now & then.

But if its completely flat, then you need to stop driving right away to prevent further damage.

P.S. - Do check if the tyre is punctured or ripped. In cases of puncture, ive never come across a tubeless losing all its air altogether.

1st June 2010, 16:06	#152
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,137 Times	Well, you can never say anything for sure. It depends on the road surface, your car, how quickly you turn the steering wheel, etc.... For most basic things, it is good. An easier solution would be NOT to tailgate!
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1st June 2010, 16:12	#153
ampere Team-BHP Support Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,930 Thanked: 12,902 Times View My Garage	Last year I was looking at options (For Fusion). Thats when P-LC was just introduced. I was very much fine with stock tyres (Goodyear). And the price between GY and Michelin turned out to be 10K. (11K versus 21K). I went with regular Good year. Its running fine. I have done about 10K already.
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1st June 2010, 17:50	#155
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,137 Times	The PLC is a very good tyre. I personally would go for the Conti CPC2. In fact, I did. But for outright silence and comfort, nothing touches the PLC.
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25th June 2010, 20:31	#157
mkh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,072 Thanked: 133 Times View My Garage	I may sound really naive here, but as far as i know a tyre upgrade is only if there is a need to drive on the highways However reading a few threads, i see that on the ANHC people upgrade for better road grip and even get higher GC Can someone tell me if i really need an upgrade on my new ANHC? My drive is sedate, and almost 90% in city. No high speed cornerings etc at all Currently i have Michelin XM1 and i will be going in for alloys for the stock rim size. Please give me the pros and cons and also if the warranty should not get void with an upgrade.
	() Thanks

6th July 2010, 07:51	#160
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,137 Times	XM1 is same as XM1+ except for deeper tread depth.
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7th July 2010, 10:44	#162
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,137 Times	Energy XM1+ has silica in the tread compound. Normal XM1+(in 12" and 13") does not have this. You can try the anti rust coating. Anyway, can you confirm if it is XM1 or XM+ on the ANHC?
	() Thanks

7th July 2010, 22:49	#164
navan49 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CHENNAI Posts: 1,000 Thanked: 73 Times View My Garage	My Ritz got puncture yesterday. People say theat if we use tubless tyres we can drive with punture for 50 or 1ookms. With that concept in mind I drove around 3 0r 4 kms. Alas my wheel was flat. I changed the spare wheel and drove for 450 kms. Now I have no idea whether my punctured tyre will work or not. If not it is sad to know that it did not last even 30k Kms. Any comments on this.
	() Thanks

8th July 2010, 01:18	#165
Xehaust BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 846 Thanked: 81 Times View My Garage	If it was completely flat then you shoudnt have driven it ahead. Generally, tubeless tyres do not lose air quickly when punctured. Hence, you can drive them till you find a fix as long as you keep filling in air every now & then. But if its completely flat, then you need to stop driving right away to prevent further damage. P.S. - Do check if the tyre is punctured or ripped. In cases of puncture, ive never come across a tubeless losing all its air altogether.
	() Thanks