[chiranjitp]

Interesting topic, it seems the main confusion is regarding whether to do a cross rotation with radial tires. While going through an old Maruti 800 service manual this is what I found:



Maruti it seems only recommends cross rotation of Bias tires (aka nylon tires). For the radial tires it doesn't recommend cross rotation, though it recommends that the spare tire be rotated with tires from one side.

[Leoshashi]

Originally Posted by chiranjitp

Maruti it seems only recommends cross rotation of Bias tires (aka nylon tires). For the radial tires it doesn't recommend cross rotation, though it recommends that the spare tire be rotated with tires from one side.

Wrong info brother. Just checked the owners manual(both soft copy and hard) of 2000 M800 and 2013 SX4

This is what they had to say:

[chiranjitp]

Originally Posted by Leoshashi

Wrong info brother. Just checked the owners manual(both soft copy and hard) of 2000 M800 and 2013 SX4

After seeing your post I also went through my 01 Zen's owners manual. The diagram on that thing is the exact same diagram you shared from your 00 M800's owners manual, even the little code written on the bottom is same.

The photo I shared initially is from a Maruti 800 5 speed service manual, its a 644 page long pdf file. I am uploading the pdf here, please check page no. 185. The document looks authentic to me, what do you think? If this document is correct, then it seems even the Maruti guys were confused about this topic.

Maruti 800 12V MPFI Service Manual.PDF

[Ohh!Oxygen]

Bumping up an older thread.

My Vento TSI runs on 185/60R15 Vectra. Completed the second service at 21000 kms. I specifically asked for wheel rotation during my last service and I have marked the tyres previously to know which side they are in before rotation.

After the service I did not see notice any rotation and all tyres are in the exact same place as before. When I enquired with the service advisor, he told me that he rotated the tyres and found the steering to be tilting towards left and he moved them back to initial position.

Am I being taken for a ride here?

[pganapathy]

Originally Posted by Ohh!Oxygen

Bumping up an older thread.

My Vento TSI runs on 185/60R15 Vectra. Completed the second service at 21000 kms. I specifically asked for wheel rotation during my last service and I have marked the tyres previously to know which side they are in before rotation.

After the service I did not see notice any rotation and all tyres are in the exact same place as before. When I enquired with the service advisor, he told me that he rotated the tyres and found the steering to be tilting towards left and he moved them back to initial position.

Am I being taken for a ride here?

That answer is definitely an excuse for him not having done the work. If he had done it and found the car tilting, he could have done WA and WB. Definitely don't pay for the tyre rotation labour he claims to have done.

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by Ohh!Oxygen

Bumping up an older thread.

My Vento TSI runs on 185/60R15 Vectra. Completed the second service at 21000 kms. I specifically asked for wheel rotation during my last service and I have marked the tyres previously to know which side they are in before rotation.

After the service I did not see notice any rotation and all tyres are in the exact same place as before. When I enquired with the service advisor, he told me that he rotated the tyres and found the steering to be tilting towards left and he moved them back to initial position.

Am I being taken for a ride here?

It is possible that they didnt bother doing it and gave some excuse when questioned.

However, traditional tyre rotation can cause pulling issues as well.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

A tyre is made of multiple layers of rubber, nylon cords, steel belts and whatever else tyre companies use. When a tyre is run for a few thousand kms, it develops a force within which would cause that tyre to pull either straight, right or left.

When you swap tyres from one location to another, the "forces" which have been more or less neutralised by each other are suddenly imbalanced and this can cause your car to pull either left or right.

Any of you who have driven for years may have observed this funny behaviour:

After Alignment, Balancing and rotation, the car is pulling to one side and when you go back to the tyre store, they check the alignment and find that it is perfect. To eliminate the pull, the technicians then swap the front tyres to the back or the left to the right or any combination possible.

After this swap, they take a test drive and see if the pulling has been eliminated.

This is done to identify TYRE related pulls and then using a high tech method of trial and error, find the best position of the tyres on your car

So, personally I believe that tyres shouldnt be swapped between the left and right when doing a blind rotation. A simple front to back is enough.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

This is done to identify TYRE related pulls and then using a high tech method of trial and error, find the best position of the tyres on your car

The road force equipment at shop helps eliminating this right? Have you seen cases where this phenomenon persists even after road force procedure?

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

The road force equipment at shop helps eliminating this right? Have you seen cases where this phenomenon persists even after road force procedure?

The Road Force Balancer helps us in identifying tyre related pull and makes a recommendation based on the measurements. It cannot eliminate the pull. The pull of a tyre is mainly because of two reasons: Tyre conicity and Ply Steer.

The final decision is still ours. If we decide to rotate the tyres, then the equipment will inform us in advance if the car will go straight or pull to one side. Depending on the magnitude of the pull, we can take a call.

In some cases, we have noticed that if we rotate the tyres, there is a huge amount of pull to one side. In this case, we have two options:

1. Run the car with the pull for a few hundred kms and hope the pull goes away or reduces. (by changing the inherent pull within the tyre due to either of the above mentioned reasons)

2. Dont do a rotating and keep that tyre at the rear itself so that the car goes straight.

[nanu28]

Does anyone know how does the tire rotation affect the TPMS.
More specifically does the Tire Pressure Monitoring System still reflect the correct wheel locations, after we rotate the tires and reset the TPMS system?
Has anyone done this one a BMW?
Thanks a lot.

[atulsian]

Originally Posted by nanu28

Does anyone know how does the tire rotation affect the TPMS.
More specifically does the Tire Pressure Monitoring System still reflect the correct wheel locations, after we rotate the tires and reset the TPMS system?
Has anyone done this one a BMW?
Thanks a lot.

If your tpms doesn't allow you to change the location, I was suggested by a tire technician to get the Tyre changed and keep the alloys in the same place. This way you only rotate the tyres.

[dadu]

Originally Posted by atulsian

If your tpms doesn't allow you to change the location, I was suggested by a tire technician to get the Tyre changed and keep the alloys in the same place. This way you only rotate the tyres.

that will be too much of effort, dismounting and mounting them again, there has to be a better way to rotate with hybrid Rims