[vabs78]

Hello Folks,

I have Micheline PP2 in size 205/50-15 on my GetzD for past ~2.5yrs. I have covered approximately ~30k kms on them and am extremely happy with the performance they have offered till date. Now its time my car gets some new shoes.

Couple of issues I have with PP2s are:
- strong tendency for tramlining. If you are going above 120 and hit some uneven road patch it literally pulls the car off its line.
- have grown to be quiet noisy with time.

I am looking for tyres which will offer similar performance but be better on both the above counts. I am Ok to go for comfort oriented tyres if they can handle my driving (speeds above 120-130 and above 150 on Mum-Pun Expressway).

In 205/50-15 I know of following options available in Pune:
- Again go for PP2s
- Yoko S-Drive

Please suggest more options and help me choose right tyres.

Thanks lot for your help.

[vabs78]

Just found that Conti CPC2, Pirelli P6000 and Yoko AD07 are also available in 205/50-15 size. Today being Janmasthami, I will get the pricing information tomorrow.

Waiting for all your valuable suggestions.

[vabs78]

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[nitrous]

Michelin Pilot Sport 3
Yokohama Advan Neova AD07
Hankook Ventus R-S2 or R-S3

For the Getz D, I'd recommend the 195/55/R15

[Nikhilb2008]

My vote is for the AD07. Nothing better than that.

If not that, you could consider the RS-2 if you get it.
The others dont come close to the PP2 except for the CPC2 in the wet.

[vabs78]

Thanks nitrous, Nikhil, for your comments.

I was also thinking of AD07 but considering condition of Pune roads and their reputation of short life I am a little skeptical about these. PS3s are not available with Darshan tyres (Michelin dealer) here. I will check for availability of R-S2s.

I prefer to stick with 205/50-15 size as it has minimum speedo error and the fact that I am already using this size without any problems.

Nikhil can you please comment on CPC2 price quote? I don't know why but I have a feeling that I will go with Conti this time. Any idea of tramlining tendency of CPC2s?

Thanks a lot for your inputs.

[Hatari]

I was using PP2 - 185/60 on my fiesta
Have now changed to Yoko ES 100.. love the grip they have

[vabs78]

On second thought, is 195/55-15 a better size for GetzD?

EDIT: Just saw your post Hatari, isn't ES100 an older model than S-Drive? How is the experience as compared to PP2?

[ph03n!x]

I have the 195/55 R15 on my Getz CRDi for 27k KM now. The tires are amazing at speeds and braking. I have touched 190 without breaking a sweat on these tires, and they handled awesome. I also had quite a few 160-to-40/30/0 braking calls, and they saved me. But the ride, atleast in the city roads, is bad (understatement). I also lost two tires - one when I ran over a stone and ripped my sidewall, and other to a 2 inch cut on the sidewall that I have no clue about. After much contemplation, am downsizing back to 14", and looking at a 185 / 195 C.Drives (Ya, ya, am getting old!)

[reignofchaos]

Only PS3 and ad07 will really be an upgrade. I had pp2 earlier in my car. Now i have ad07 and I think they'll last longer than the pp2's did looking at the amount of remaining tread.

[vabs78]

Noticed a bulge in one of the tire sidewalls yesterday. Have to make a decision soon.


Thanks for your inputs guys.

@ph03n!x, you also have PP2s right? did you experience any tramlining?

@reignofchaos, this is surprising, I thought AD07s have even softer compound so they will last lesser than PP2s, I am Ok if tires last about 25k kms. Pune roads are really pathetic right now, I don't know how AD07s will cope with that. Need to get a quote on AD07.

As you have experience with both have you experienced tramlining with either PP2s or AD07? As AD07s have even more grip I am afraid they will have even more tendency towards tramlining.

[reignofchaos]

There's zero tramlining on ad07s. PP2s used to tramline all the time. Also they seem to take indian road abuse better than pp2s as so far in 18k km i have not had any punctures. Had 3 punctures on pp2 in 28k km.

The only downer is they are much louder than pp2s.

[vabs78]

Originally Posted by reignofchaos

There's zero tramlining on ad07s. PP2s used to tramline all the time. Also they seem to take indian road abuse better than pp2s as so far in 18k km i have not had any punctures. Had 3 punctures on pp2 in 28k km.

Good to know that there is significant difference in tramlining. This is exactly the feedback that I was looking for. Thanks.

So its true that tramlining has nothing to do with the grip on offer.

Originally Posted by reignofchaos

The only downer is they are much louder than pp2s.

Louder than PP2s?

[Epic]

Hi Vabs78,

I have noticed that the Michelins are very prone to side wall damage and tire buldge, don't know if this is due to erratic driving style or rubber compound not suitable for our Indian roads but the fact of the matter is that there are many complaints on this.

Now since you are also using Michelins and facing similar issues, it would be better to look for a different brand like Continental or Yokohama. I have never experienced the Michelins but I was using the 195/60/R15 Goodyear Eagle F1 on my Swift which lasted me for 28 kms and had amazing grip in dry & wet weather and moved on to the 205/55/R15 Yokohama S-Drives which were even better.

With regards to tramlining; I believe the wider the tire and lower profile, the more it will tramline.

[reignofchaos]

Tramlining depends more on the tyre compound/tread type than the width. One weird thing about advans is that they need a bit of heat in them to reach their max potential. For the record I've never managed to get a squeal out of them.