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Originally Posted by mbz180 I agree that the choice regarding authenticity is at the owner's discretion. But I don't see what it has to do with not expecting to win a prize. Of course they will expect to get a prize since many 'bling' cars have been repeatedly getting awards at least in Kolkata.
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Are we just discussing with regards to kolkata or are we discussing in general? Cars outside Kolkata are much less "BLING" and they do win prizes.
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I had suggested a way to address this and I repeat. The judges have the list of participating cars much before the rally. They could split up categories and confine their research. It may improve the judging standards.
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I agree to that. They should. Nut just by your suggestion on that do you think the judges would do so ? I doubt very much.
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This is absolutely incorrect. How many sub Rs.25-30 lakh cars available in India can be ordered with the owner's choice of colour? In fact, colour schemes are so limited in some cases, that people end up buying a car in a colour not of their choice as it's out of stock and they cannot wait. Very few mass produced luxo barges, some bespoke cars and supercars are available in any choice of colour.
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Well then let me enlighten you that 2 and a half year back when we ordered our swift diesel, we wanted it in the dark blue shade that comes only in the Swift Dzire. And guess what? They agreed to give it to us in that shade but there was a waiting period for 7-8months. So the colours are available but then you want to choose a yellow for your swift, you will be shown the yellow colour shades that Maruti has and you have to choose the shade from the options given. And yes the main point as you mentioned above, people cannot wait for the car in their colour. So its not quite right to say that its not available. It is available with a waiting.
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This is a common misconception. The Model T never started as being available in only black. For the first few years a no. of colours were available. If I remember correctly, after this they switched to black till the end because the company couldn't keep up with demand for the car and since enamel based black was the quickest drying paint they only offered that after the initial years.
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I stand corrected here. Well what i meant was ford had a punch line from 1909
“Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black”.
However, in the first years of production from 1908 to 1914, the Model T was not available in black but rather only grey, green, blue, and red. Green was available for the touring cars, town cars, coupes, and Landaulets. Grey was only available for the town cars, and red only for the touring cars. By 1912, all cars were being painted midnight blue with black fenders. It was only in 1914 that the
"any color as long as it is black" policy was finally implemented. It is often stated that Ford suggested the use of black from 1914 to 1926 due to the cheap cost and durability of black paint. During the lifetime production of the Model T, over 30 different types of black paint were used on various parts of the car. These were formulated to satisfy the different means of applying the paint to the various parts, and had distinct drying times, depending on the part, paint, and method of drying.
So its not quite correct to say that it was only because of the drying time take. It was also Durability of the paint as mentioned above.
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Well then you would also question the judging at Pebble Beach and Meadowbrook. I keep a track of the award winning cars (on the net & mags) at these events every year and some of the colours are definitely very far from the original. It is the quality of the resto that matters. And besides, even in the Indian car scene context, is the colour of the car that important vis-a-vis trophies? The car could be of any colour, single or 2 tone in any shade but as long as the paint job and the rest of the car are top notch why would I not expect to get a prize?
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Don't you think its happening? There is a certain car that comes to the Statesman every year but has only won a prize the first year it was entered. And after that it hasn't. The colour of the car is not an original shade that came in the car. But none the less its by far one of the best restored and mainted cars and does look far better than many cars. The judges say since the car doesn't have an original paint scheme, it is not eligible to win a prize. So my reply was in that context and to the kolkata scene.
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In my opinion there are 2 separate categories as far as this is concerned.
First, If a car is being restored ground up, no expense barred and the resto is being done keeping in mind that the car must turn out to be a prize winner, in no way is that wrong. Eg. horse breeding and winning races is serious money and for those owners who don't need it, brings great prestige in social circles. The owner of the horse spends serious money to keep the stud in top form and he expects results. |
Yes the example of the car that i haven given above. But still doesn't win a prize either for restoration or for maintenance or anything. And most of us know the reason to that.
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And then of course if you are ok with some compromises here and there or if you know that your car clearly doesn't stand a chance it really is a fun day at the races and the rallies.
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I am 100% in agreement with that and you would know that better than me.
Please share your experience of this year's rally with the Traction Avant.
Regards
Indrojit