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3 CP 116 and 3BU198 are both 1937 PIII She has incorrectly referred to 3BU198 as a 20/25 on page 52. So according to the book two PIII's came to Hyderabad, both Windovers. And GTK19 is a 1936 20/25 in all probability. Any help in identifying whether these cars survived would be great. I think 3CP116 is in England or Europe, someone posted a picture somewhere. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() 3CP116 a 1937 RR PIII All Weather Cabriolet by Windovers as delivered to Prince Azamjah ![]() Later picture of the same car. Notice it lost the side mounts, the spot lamps and has different bumpers. Also lost those horns and the Lalique mascot. Boy they most certainly had jazzed up the car for the Prince! ![]() Quote:
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Interesting headlamps on 3CP116. Very American, almost like the Packard's Julian I have a pair of Marchal Aerolux's. Beautiful lamps. Its interesting how in those days the reflector had the focusing ridges with a clear lens ahead. Ironically all modern cars have reverted to this format. What all cars used the Marchal Aerolux lamps? The 1938 Packard I have has them. Apparently Packards shipped to some European countries were sent without lamps, and the local dealer/imported fitted the country spec lamps. I've seen many Packards with the Marchal Aerolux lamps to confirm this. I think Belgium was one such country? Last edited by DKG : 11th April 2008 at 14:17. |
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Please check the History of Windovers (I do not have the book, just a couple of pages off the web). Think it mentions that the headlamps on 3CP116 were not the standard Lucas P100 (?). The car is pictured many places on the web - search (Flickr) for Caramulo Museum, Portugal President RR | |
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The car has been used by the Pope and QEII on their visits to Portugal ![]() picture courtesy of barchetta.cc ![]() picture courtesy: arquivo.forum.autohoje.com | |
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Thanks for the pictures will check out the sites Last edited by DKG : 12th April 2008 at 09:44. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Considering the collaborative work taking place in the vintage car section and a wealth of materialVin having been collated its apt in my opinion to place Vintage and Classic Cars in India as a independent sub category (not as part of Super cars) Further it is recommended we create two broad classifications within the Vintage and Classic Cars in India group, namely, Pre War Cars (before 1946) and Post War Cars (1946 onwards) Most companies had ceased production from 1942 to 1945 and commenced military equipment production. New models appeared in 1946 marking a new begining in automobile history. I think this is a significant marker separating different era. All threads such as Rolls, Duesenberg, Hispano, Bentley, Daimler, Miscellaneous, Maharajah cars, Lagonda, Gurney Nutting, Figoni etc can be shifted into the Pre War group. All other classics including Fiats, Heralds, Landmasters, and many other Post war car threads would go into the respective group. Eventually I'd like to see a gallery section within these groups too with only pictures and legends. If you second this suggestion please report this post according your approval as "Please Implement". If enough of us do this perhaps the team at TBHP can do the needful Last edited by DKG : 12th April 2008 at 10:22. |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the suggestion, DKG. Julian has brought it to our notice, and the mod team is currently in discussion over this. |
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www.kda132.com/Praeclarum/Praeclarum%20Feb07.pdf This is a PDF file and part of a 4-article series on P-III's
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Superb find! I wonder if that ridiculously tall 3AZ47 Hooper Limousine is the Poona Phantom 3 that was cut to make a convertible. |
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| ![]() Here are the PIII records of 21 cars that came to India. 3AZ 47 Limousine Hooper 1936 July H.E Viceroy of India 3AZ 198 Limousine Hooper 1936 Dec Commander-in-Chief Delhi 3AX 87 Saloon Limousine Barker 1937 June The Nawab of Bahawalpur 3AX147 Limousine Gurney Nutting 1937 Feb The Maharajah Holkar of Indore 3AX201 Limousine Hooper 1937 Mar The Maharajah Gaekwar of Baroda 3BU 50 Landaulette Thrupp and Maberley 1937Mar The Maharajah of Darbhanga 3BU 76 Sedanca de Ville Barker 1937 June The Maharajah of Jaipur 3BU 82 Sedanca de Ville Hooper 1937June The Maharani of Nabha 3BU 86 Allweather Thrupp and Maberley 1937 April The Nawab of Bhopal 3BU 102 Limousine Hooper 1937 April The Maharajah of Jodhpur 3BU 106 Limousine Kellner 1937 Feb The Maharani of Baroda 3BU 134 Open Tourer Barker 1937 July The Maharajah of Kolhapur 3BU 198 Sedanca de Ville Windovers 1937 April The Maharajah of Rajpipla 3BT 75 Saloon Windovers 1937 July The Maharawal of Chhota Udaipur 3BT 181 Allweather Barker 1937 Sept The Ruling Chief of Keonjhar State 3CP 112 Saloon Windovers 1937 Nov The Prince of Baroda 3CP 116 Cabriolet Windovers 1938 Feb The Prince of Berar 3CM 37 Saloon Park Ward 1938 Jan The Maharajah of Panchakote 3DL 26 Cabriolet Thrupp and Maberley 1938 July The Rajah of Parlakimedi 3DL 90 Limousine Park Ward 1938 Sept Indian trials 3DL 96 4 Seater Sports Park Ward 1938 Nov The Maharajah Saheb of Morvi 3DL 200 Drop Head coupe Park Ward 1939 Nov High Commissioner for India Last edited by aah78 : 12th April 2008 at 23:45. Reason: List edited. |
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This list and Derby Phantoms does not list: 3BT121 - This is the Vale Car ("Baroda" per Traumautomotiv) 3DL200 - King of Afghanistan per Praeclarum (and destroyed by the Taliban, Kabul 1990's) Please also check out Praeclarum Issue 4-06 August 2006 www.kda132.com/Praeclarum/Praeclarum4Aug06.pdf for the following: Page 16: Berar 3CP116 (posted by others before) pg 17: Bahawalpur 3AX87 pg 18: Jaipur 3BU76 pg 21: 3DL200 Afghanistan mentioned above Again, it is worth the trip!!! | |
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It came to India later so is not in the first owner list. 3DL200 First owner is listed as the High Commissioner for India then later was given to the King of Afghanistan. The main point of interest for me is that there are 22 cars in this list so one of them maybe didn't go to India. These 4 cars were originally registered in the UK with the following Registration numbers: 3BT121 Drop head coupe Mayfair 1937 June was first registered in the UK as DYR 232 3BU 50 The Maharajah of Darbhanga's car was first registered in the UK as DXR 555 3BU 76 The Maharajah of Jaipur's car was first registered in the UK as DYK 487 3DL 90 For Indian trials was first registered in the UK as FXX 100 I presume that the "Indian trials" car never went to India? Does anyone have any record of 3DL 90 in India? Last edited by Julian UK : 13th April 2008 at 00:09. | |
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Rajkot 1934 RR Phantom II (built from 1/24 scale Italeri kit) ![]() ![]() and the real McCoy ![]() | |
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