Early registration numbers in India

wasif · 29th December 2009, 17:19

The Paigah Family form hyderabad, all its three branches, were considered the second family of Hyderabad. Their offsprings married the Nizams offsprings and vice versa. In the olden days their family provided household troops and protected the Nizam and they had a big list of special priviliges.

I am sure they had such privileges as personal regestration series as is visible here.

Open to correction on this but if DKG speaks to his elders they might be able to coroborate this.

My grand uncles Norton appears to have been regestered in Pune as he was the head of the postal service and resided in Puna for a few years along with Calcutta, Baroda and Chennai.

sabinesnubbing · 29th December 2009, 21:59

Gents,
Cast aluminium plates used to be standard issue in most of the Arabic countries from the 1950s until the 1980s when the last country Lebanon stopped issuing them. Some of them are very beautiful and collectors pay a lot of money for them now. Most countries had stopped using cast aluminium plates by the 1970s when the German company Utsch (& a similar company Hoffmann) started marketing their pressed aluminium plates in the middle east. It is actually Utsch plates that will be (!!??) the new 'tamper proof' ones used in India - eventually I suppose. If you Google for Shimnit Utsch and Promuk Hoffmann you will see their wares.

I am told by a Saudi plate collector who like to have broken, rare, 1950s, cast aluminium royal and governmental plates remade, that if you take a plate to Beirut, they will make a cast aluminium copy for between 30USD and 50USD depending on the intricacy of the design.
The copies are not as well made as the original 50s plates but....

I think that Beirut may be the only place that still routinely makes them.
Cheers
Cedric

PS: Nothing to do with Indian plates but this a typical Saudi 1950s royal plate.

raizada · 29th December 2009, 22:24

yesterday i spotted a beautiful wolseley with Regn No. MJL XXX in Gurgaon
can someone identify which state it belongs to.

harit · 29th December 2009, 23:35

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Originally Posted by sabinesnubbing

Gents,
Cast aluminium plates used to be standard issue in most of the Arabic countries from the 1950s until the 1980s...............

Hello Cedric.
Can you imagine that in Mumbai the cast aluminium plate was around in early 1920's! In the 1950's we were already using a steel plate with aluminium cast numerals.

Cheers harit

karlosdeville · 26th January 2010, 11:23

At the recent Auto Expo in Delhi there was a lovely display of ads, photos, brochures and other Automobilia from the collection of Sandeep Katari and Farhan Kidwai. Here is what appears to be a declaration note for a 1939 Morris in Bangalore, regd. BAN 109, dated 1944.

Early registration numbers in India-01.jpg

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Also worth looking at is this - 807 JA

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1700146-post967.html

karlosdeville · 26th January 2010, 16:15

Cedric - especially for you.

The BMF plate I had bought from a scrap yard when I was in school just for kicks - looks superb methinks. No idea which car in came from, the number dates to maybe 59-61.

The MRZ plate came from a 1965 Fiat that was broken down a few years back.

Early registration numbers in India-plates.jpg

sabinesnubbing · 27th January 2010, 11:43

Karl,
Many thanks. I am always happy to see old plates. I have quite a few photos as you know of plates owned by collectors or recently sold on Ebay.
If people want, I can post photos.
Cheers
Cedric

vintageman · 27th January 2010, 20:06

For the historical inclined , my 1947 Plymouth Spl Dlx continues on the same registration book since it was delivered new in 1948. Surprisingly the registration book is issued as "British India" (in 1948) "Certificate of Registration". The book has details of all the annual taxes , one time taxes & re-registrations , road worthiness tests. Attached also the sale order issued by the Registration Authority , Lucknow for the dealer to sell the car to the first owner.

Cost of the car Rs 10650/- . Price of shipment by rail from Bombay to Lucknow Rs. 450/-.

As Lucknow RTO is computerised , I have to get the re-registration done from the non-computerised districts .

vintageman · 27th January 2010, 20:26

And the original aluminium number plates of the Fleetmaster from 1947

Stanher · 27th January 2010, 21:03

An "RW" regn. seen on a 1920s Rudge Motorcycle at the R-day rally here in hyd. yesterday. I'm guessing it stands for Rawalpindi (now in Pak)?

Cedric?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1702530-post13.html

dominator · 27th January 2010, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanher

An "RW" regn. seen on a 1920s Rudge Motorcycle at the R-day rally here in hyd. yesterday. I'm guessing it stands for Rawalpindi (now in Pak)?

Cedric?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1702530-post13.html

The RW is for Rudge Whitworth. I know the origins of this bike . No further comments please !!

Stanher · 27th January 2010, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by dominator

The RW is for Rudge Whitworth. I know the origins of this bike . No further comments please !!

Sorry couldn't help commenting despite- interesting that one could put up the name and model year(?) of the vehicle in a way that it seems as the regn. Confusingly convenient? Or conveniently confusing?

sabinesnubbing · 28th January 2010, 13:45

Vintageman,
Excellent information about USJ being a Lucknow registration. Do you know where UPR was initially registered. United Provinces (& Uttar Pradesh) is a state we don't have third (serial) letter information on. Cheers
Cedric

karlosdeville · 28th January 2010, 14:14

Great Vintageman, thanks for sharing, and looking forward to more such contributions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabinesnubbing

Do you know where UPR was initially registered. United Provinces (& Uttar Pradesh) is a state we don't have third (serial) letter information on. Cheers
Cedric

If I remember right UPR is Kanpur (erstwhile Cawnpore).

sabinesnubbing · 28th January 2010, 18:31

Gents,
Your help please.
I know that Hyderabad state existed after partition until 1956 but I think I may not have the correct letter pairs for the registrations there. I have HTx and HYx on the list for Hyderabad but the attached photo suggests that APX 190 was reregistered from HDX 190. Unfortunately I can't read the Urdu properly to see what it says.
So.....
Can someone tell me please what the Urdu translates to?
And, does anyone know about 1947-1956 Hyderabad letters?
Cheers
Cedric

29th December 2009, 17:19	#256
wasif Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi (for now) Posts: 2,957 Thanked: 398 Times	The Paigah Family form hyderabad, all its three branches, were considered the second family of Hyderabad. Their offsprings married the Nizams offsprings and vice versa. In the olden days their family provided household troops and protected the Nizam and they had a big list of special priviliges. I am sure they had such privileges as personal regestration series as is visible here. Open to correction on this but if DKG speaks to his elders they might be able to coroborate this. My grand uncles Norton appears to have been regestered in Pune as he was the head of the postal service and resided in Puna for a few years along with Calcutta, Baroda and Chennai. Last edited by wasif : 29th December 2009 at 17:20.
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29th December 2009, 21:59	#257
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 290 Times	Gents, Cast aluminium plates used to be standard issue in most of the Arabic countries from the 1950s until the 1980s when the last country Lebanon stopped issuing them. Some of them are very beautiful and collectors pay a lot of money for them now. Most countries had stopped using cast aluminium plates by the 1970s when the German company Utsch (& a similar company Hoffmann) started marketing their pressed aluminium plates in the middle east. It is actually Utsch plates that will be (!!??) the new 'tamper proof' ones used in India - eventually I suppose. If you Google for Shimnit Utsch and Promuk Hoffmann you will see their wares. I am told by a Saudi plate collector who like to have broken, rare, 1950s, cast aluminium royal and governmental plates remade, that if you take a plate to Beirut, they will make a cast aluminium copy for between 30USD and 50USD depending on the intricacy of the design. The copies are not as well made as the original 50s plates but.... I think that Beirut may be the only place that still routinely makes them. Cheers Cedric PS: Nothing to do with Indian plates but this a typical Saudi 1950s royal plate. Attached Images
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29th December 2009, 22:24	#258
raizada Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: mumbai/kolkatta Posts: 10 Thanked: 0 Times	yesterday i spotted a beautiful wolseley with Regn No. MJL XXX in Gurgaon can someone identify which state it belongs to.
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26th January 2010, 11:23	#260
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 10,392 Thanked: 12,262 Times View My Garage	At the recent Auto Expo in Delhi there was a lovely display of ads, photos, brochures and other Automobilia from the collection of Sandeep Katari and Farhan Kidwai. Here is what appears to be a declaration note for a 1939 Morris in Bangalore, regd. BAN 109, dated 1944. Also worth looking at is this - 807 JA http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1700146-post967.html
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26th January 2010, 16:15	#261
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 10,392 Thanked: 12,262 Times View My Garage	Cedric - especially for you. The BMF plate I had bought from a scrap yard when I was in school just for kicks - looks superb methinks. No idea which car in came from, the number dates to maybe 59-61. The MRZ plate came from a 1965 Fiat that was broken down a few years back. Last edited by karlosdeville : 26th January 2010 at 16:34.
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27th January 2010, 11:43	#262
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 290 Times	Karl, Many thanks. I am always happy to see old plates. I have quite a few photos as you know of plates owned by collectors or recently sold on Ebay. If people want, I can post photos. Cheers Cedric
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27th January 2010, 20:06	#263
vintageman BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lucknow Posts: 418 Thanked: 602 Times View My Garage	Original Documents For the historical inclined , my 1947 Plymouth Spl Dlx continues on the same registration book since it was delivered new in 1948. Surprisingly the registration book is issued as "British India" (in 1948) "Certificate of Registration". The book has details of all the annual taxes , one time taxes & re-registrations , road worthiness tests. Attached also the sale order issued by the Registration Authority , Lucknow for the dealer to sell the car to the first owner. Cost of the car Rs 10650/- . Price of shipment by rail from Bombay to Lucknow Rs. 450/-. As Lucknow RTO is computerised , I have to get the re-registration done from the non-computerised districts . Attached Thumbnails Last edited by vintageman : 27th January 2010 at 20:09.
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27th January 2010, 20:26	#264
vintageman BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lucknow Posts: 418 Thanked: 602 Times View My Garage	And the original aluminium number plates of the Fleetmaster from 1947 Attached Images
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27th January 2010, 21:03	#265
Stanher Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hyderabad, AP Posts: 6,467 Thanked: 1,986 Times View My Garage	An "RW" regn. seen on a 1920s Rudge Motorcycle at the R-day rally here in hyd. yesterday. I'm guessing it stands for Rawalpindi (now in Pak)? Cedric? http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1702530-post13.html
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28th January 2010, 13:45	#268
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 290 Times	Vintageman, Excellent information about USJ being a Lucknow registration. Do you know where UPR was initially registered. United Provinces (& Uttar Pradesh) is a state we don't have third (serial) letter information on. Cheers Cedric
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28th January 2010, 18:31	#270
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 290 Times	Gents, Your help please. I know that Hyderabad state existed after partition until 1956 but I think I may not have the correct letter pairs for the registrations there. I have HTx and HYx on the list for Hyderabad but the attached photo suggests that APX 190 was reregistered from HDX 190. Unfortunately I can't read the Urdu properly to see what it says. So..... Can someone tell me please what the Urdu translates to? And, does anyone know about 1947-1956 Hyderabad letters? Cheers Cedric Attached Images
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