Early registration numbers in India

vintageman · 28th January 2010, 23:31

Modifying my earlier post with regards to UP numbers . The first series when the 3 alphabet norm was established in Uttar Pradesh had the US & UP series running concurrently , the first series in Lucknow was USJ , whereas in Kanpur the first series was UPR & USK came later .
Surprisingly USA was shared by both Agra ( in the West ) & Gonda ( in the East ) with USA 1 to USA 5000 with the Agra RTO and 5001 to 9999 with Gonda RTO. UPL Varanasi . UPC Allahabad. UPF Jhansi ( The UPF 105 Rolls I saw in one of the links could be a Datia , Panna or a Charkhari car ). UPX Faizabad.UPM Mirzapur.
The US.. & UP.. series ran through till early 70's.

The other series since then were :

UT.. : 1973 onwards. UTW & UTZ were both Kanpur series
UR.. : late 70's
UH.. : early 80's
UA.. : 84
UG.. : mid 80's
UM.. : Late 80's
UV.. : Last alphabetical series before changing to UP ..

UP 01 to UP 07 belonged to districts which later formed Uttarakhand. So now UP 01 ~ 07 no longer exist.

Regards

wasif · 30th January 2010, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabinesnubbing

Gents,
Your help please.
I know that Hyderabad state existed after partition until 1956 but I think I may not have the correct letter pairs for the registrations there. I have HTx and HYx on the list for Hyderabad but the attached photo suggests that APX 190 was reregistered from HDX 190. Unfortunately I can't read the Urdu properly to see what it says.
So.....
Can someone tell me please what the Urdu translates to?
And, does anyone know about 1947-1956 Hyderabad letters?
Cheers
Cedric

Cedric.

The urdu letters read"trafic atraf balda" which literally translates into "traffic department for areas outside teh city municipal limits"

I dont think that plate is genuine though most if not all APX car were originally HYX

karlosdeville · 30th January 2010, 18:05

I recently visited Delhi, and took the opportunity to visit the Lal bahadur Shastri Memorial. A beautiful set up displaying his house and artefacts, it also has on display his early 60s Fiat Super Select (DLE 6).

A photo on display inside showed Shastriji in a Willys Jeep in Assam, dated 1965. The regn was AM 8519, the early 2 alphabet series.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabinesnubbing

I have quite a few photos as you know of plates owned by collectors or recently sold on Ebay.
If people want, I can post photos.

Cedric, for starters do post pics of Indian plates that you would have access to.

sabinesnubbing · 31st January 2010, 10:43

wasif,
Many thanks for the translation. I have a very hard time reading Urdu when its written like that.

Karl,
Interesting that AM8519 is on a Willys Jeep. That means the vehicle cannot have been registered until after the war but AM is a pre-39 registration on my list. I guess as a senior minister/prime minister (was he prime minister when the photo was taken?) he got an old number reissued.

I will get some photos together of older Indian plates in people's collections. This one here is an OLD newspaper cutting of a van in Calcutta in 1931.
Cheers
Cedric

sabinesnubbing · 31st January 2010, 12:17

Gents,
These are some of the older India plates that are now with collectors in many countries.
The descriptions are as I know them but if anyone knows better, please tell me.

1902 series:
4853 Hyderabad (said to be 1937)
BS 1624 Bhopal
J&K 2370 Jammu & Kashmir (unused plate I think so probably bought in shop)
J&K 2501 mc (as above)
J&K 9890
K1233 Karachi
MC P 1022 Madras (said to be 1932)
N 3868 Bombay (about 1935)
Bombay City Police 66
REWA 172
W 1567 Bombay

1939 series:
BLA 1976 Bengal
BMW 7117 Bombay
CPF 550 Central Provinces
CPM 934 mc Central Provinces
MDC 3802 Coimbatore
PJL 5440 Punjab
RJP 1744 Rajasthan
RJQ 2898 Rajasthan
UPU 1234 United Provinces (unused plate so bought in shop)
I think the Urdu is UPU anyway.

Cheers
Cedric

manishalive · 4th February 2010, 10:06

A very different registration number is there on a 1954 dodge. Were those type of registration number still present around.

Early registration numbers in India-1954-caddy_early_registration_number-.jpg

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1715086-post80.html

karlosdeville · 4th February 2010, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by manishalive

A very different registration number is there on a 1954 dodge. Were those type of registration number still present around.

That is a Cadillac, not Dodge. The registration is from Pondicherry, and should still be valid there. Later they moved to Px xxxx series and then Pxxx, and finally I think PY 0x xx xxxx etc.

harit · 5th February 2010, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabinesnubbing

Gents,
These are some of the older India plates that are now with collectors in many countries.
The descriptions are as I know them but if anyone knows better, please tell me.

1902 series:
4853 Hyderabad (said to be 1937)
BS 1624 Bhopal
J&K 2370 Jammu & Kashmir (unused plate I think so probably bought in shop)
J&K 2501 mc (as above)
J&K 9890
K1233 Karachi
MC P 1022 Madras (said to be 1932)
N 3868 Bombay (about 1935)
Bombay City Police 66
REWA 172
W 1567 Bombay

1939 series:
BLA 1976 Bengal
BMW 7117 Bombay
CPF 550 Central Provinces
CPM 934 mc Central Provinces
MDC 3802 Coimbatore
PJL 5440 Punjab
RJP 1744 Rajasthan
RJQ 2898 Rajasthan
UPU 1234 United Provinces (unused plate so bought in shop)
I think the Urdu is UPU anyway.

Cheers
Cedric

Hello Cedric,
I think that there are slight errors.
K 1233 can also be Bombay, this was the last series active when change came in 1940.
Bombay did not have "City Police XX, it was simply "POLICE XX". If you require I can send a photo.
BMW was April 1940 onwards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by manishalive

A very different registration number is there on a 1954 dodge. Were those type of registration number still present around.

This "P" registration is also seen on a Ponton Merc in Bangalore. Probably one of the oldest series still alive in India.

Today I purchased a registration book for a lorry of 1929, and it was dated in 1935. I will send a scan copy to you and it will throw out our theory as far as commercial vehicle registrations are concerned. It is completely out of sync.

Cheers harit

Stanher · 5th February 2010, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

That is a Cadillac, not Dodge. The registration is from Pondicherry, and should still be valid there. Later they moved to Px xxxx series and then Pxxx, and finally I think PY 0x xx xxxx etc.

After the Px series they did eventually switch to PYx (eg. PYS, PYP, PYK etc.)
before the current PY 0x series.

sabinesnubbing · 6th February 2010, 12:40

Harit,
K was indeed the last single letter used in Bombay as well as the first in Karachi. K in Karachi was followed by KA and maybe even KB.
This K plate is known to have come from Karachi.

As for the Bombay police plate, it came from a very early collection. I know the man who owns it now and apparently you can see under the various layers of repaint that it was City Police previously. I guess they used different legends according to how the painter fancied. Why this one is yellow is a bit of a mystery also. The plate is very unusual in that it opens up to reveal nothing in particular on the back side. How and why is anyone's guess.
Cheers
Cedric

karlosdeville · 5th March 2010, 10:37

Some rare insights can be found in this old registration book here

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1756641-post67.html

KPS · 6th March 2010, 11:59

There are have been quite a few discussions on the Karnataka Number Plates. I have tried to consolidate as far as possible the numbers and added details where ever possible. I stand to be corrected as this consolidation was purely based on discussions with some senior citizens.

MY - Mysore State
MYA - Bangalore, post MYB series
MYB - Bangalore from 1945
MYC - Chikmaglur
MYD - Commercial Vehicles
MYE - Bellary, around 1958
MYF - State Road Transport
MYG - Mangalore, post MYX series
MYH - Hassan
MYI - No information
MYJ - Bangalore
MYK - Kolar
MYL - Belgaum
MYM - Mysore
MYN - Mysore, post MYM series
MYO - Bangalore
MYP - Bangalore
MYQ - Bangalore
MYR - Raichur
MYS - Shimoga
MYT - Tumkur
MYU - Bangalore
MYV - Bangalore
MYW - Dharward
MYX - Mangalore
MYY - Bellary
MYZ - Coorg (Kodagu)

Post the MY series we have had the following numbers

ME Series - 1970's, MEA,MEB,MEC,MED,MEE etc
CA Series - Bangalore, as K series was in Kerala, CAA, CAB,CAC, CAD etc
CN Series - Largely out of Bangalore, CNZ,CNX
CT Series - Largely out of Bangalore, CTO,CTX
CK Series - Mainly Bangalore, CKA,CKD,CKL, CKM etc
KA Series - On computerization of numbers in 90's

karlosdeville · 6th March 2010, 19:15

This 1946/48 Oldsmobile sedan attended a rally in Pune, 2003.

Early registration numbers in India-olds01.jpg

It bears a BYC regn - I assume that would have been an erstwhile Gujarat regn. Can anyone identify which city?

karlosdeville · 8th March 2010, 14:41

A perfect example of the UNITED NATIONS branded plates discussed earlier can be found here

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...6032010358.jpg

imperial.s.a · 8th March 2010, 21:14

hi KPS correction MYJ BIJAPUR MYN MANDYA MYP GULBARGA MYU CHITRADURGA MYA WAS FIRST PRIVATE REGISTRATION THEN LATER TO COMMERCIAL MYE KARWAR

28th January 2010, 23:31	#271
vintageman BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lucknow Posts: 427 Thanked: 668 Times View My Garage	Uttar Pradesh Car Registrations Modifying my earlier post with regards to UP numbers . The first series when the 3 alphabet norm was established in Uttar Pradesh had the US & UP series running concurrently , the first series in Lucknow was USJ , whereas in Kanpur the first series was UPR & USK came later . Surprisingly USA was shared by both Agra ( in the West ) & Gonda ( in the East ) with USA 1 to USA 5000 with the Agra RTO and 5001 to 9999 with Gonda RTO. UPL Varanasi . UPC Allahabad. UPF Jhansi ( The UPF 105 Rolls I saw in one of the links could be a Datia , Panna or a Charkhari car ). UPX Faizabad.UPM Mirzapur. The US.. & UP.. series ran through till early 70's. The other series since then were : UT.. : 1973 onwards. UTW & UTZ were both Kanpur series UR.. : late 70's UH.. : early 80's UA.. : 84 UG.. : mid 80's UM.. : Late 80's UV.. : Last alphabetical series before changing to UP .. UP 01 to UP 07 belonged to districts which later formed Uttarakhand. So now UP 01 ~ 07 no longer exist. Regards
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31st January 2010, 10:43	#274
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 293 Times	wasif, Many thanks for the translation. I have a very hard time reading Urdu when its written like that. Karl, Interesting that AM8519 is on a Willys Jeep. That means the vehicle cannot have been registered until after the war but AM is a pre-39 registration on my list. I guess as a senior minister/prime minister (was he prime minister when the photo was taken?) he got an old number reissued. I will get some photos together of older Indian plates in people's collections. This one here is an OLD newspaper cutting of a van in Calcutta in 1931. Cheers Cedric Attached Thumbnails
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31st January 2010, 12:17	#275
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 293 Times	Gents, These are some of the older India plates that are now with collectors in many countries. The descriptions are as I know them but if anyone knows better, please tell me. 1902 series: 4853 Hyderabad (said to be 1937) BS 1624 Bhopal J&K 2370 Jammu & Kashmir (unused plate I think so probably bought in shop) J&K 2501 mc (as above) J&K 9890 K1233 Karachi MC P 1022 Madras (said to be 1932) N 3868 Bombay (about 1935) Bombay City Police 66 REWA 172 W 1567 Bombay 1939 series: BLA 1976 Bengal BMW 7117 Bombay CPF 550 Central Provinces CPM 934 mc Central Provinces MDC 3802 Coimbatore PJL 5440 Punjab RJP 1744 Rajasthan RJQ 2898 Rajasthan UPU 1234 United Provinces (unused plate so bought in shop) I think the Urdu is UPU anyway. Cheers Cedric Attached Thumbnails
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4th February 2010, 10:06	#276
manishalive Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,514 Thanked: 1,079 Times	A very different registration number is there on a 1954 dodge. Were those type of registration number still present around. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1715086-post80.html
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6th February 2010, 12:40	#280
sabinesnubbing BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 343 Thanked: 293 Times	Harit, K was indeed the last single letter used in Bombay as well as the first in Karachi. K in Karachi was followed by KA and maybe even KB. This K plate is known to have come from Karachi. As for the Bombay police plate, it came from a very early collection. I know the man who owns it now and apparently you can see under the various layers of repaint that it was City Police previously. I guess they used different legends according to how the painter fancied. Why this one is yellow is a bit of a mystery also. The plate is very unusual in that it opens up to reveal nothing in particular on the back side. How and why is anyone's guess. Cheers Cedric Attached Thumbnails
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5th March 2010, 10:37	#281
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 11,976 Thanked: 18,275 Times View My Garage	Some rare insights can be found in this old registration book here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1756641-post67.html
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6th March 2010, 11:59	#282
KPS Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,756 Thanked: 11,502 Times View My Garage	Karnataka Numbers There are have been quite a few discussions on the Karnataka Number Plates. I have tried to consolidate as far as possible the numbers and added details where ever possible. I stand to be corrected as this consolidation was purely based on discussions with some senior citizens. MY - Mysore State MYA - Bangalore, post MYB series MYB - Bangalore from 1945 MYC - Chikmaglur MYD - Commercial Vehicles MYE - Bellary, around 1958 MYF - State Road Transport MYG - Mangalore, post MYX series MYH - Hassan MYI - No information MYJ - Bangalore MYK - Kolar MYL - Belgaum MYM - Mysore MYN - Mysore, post MYM series MYO - Bangalore MYP - Bangalore MYQ - Bangalore MYR - Raichur MYS - Shimoga MYT - Tumkur MYU - Bangalore MYV - Bangalore MYW - Dharward MYX - Mangalore MYY - Bellary MYZ - Coorg (Kodagu) Post the MY series we have had the following numbers ME Series - 1970's, MEA,MEB,MEC,MED,MEE etc CA Series - Bangalore, as K series was in Kerala, CAA, CAB,CAC, CAD etc CN Series - Largely out of Bangalore, CNZ,CNX CT Series - Largely out of Bangalore, CTO,CTX CK Series - Mainly Bangalore, CKA,CKD,CKL, CKM etc KA Series - On computerization of numbers in 90's
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6th March 2010, 19:15	#283
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 11,976 Thanked: 18,275 Times View My Garage	This 1946/48 Oldsmobile sedan attended a rally in Pune, 2003. It bears a BYC regn - I assume that would have been an erstwhile Gujarat regn. Can anyone identify which city?
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8th March 2010, 14:41	#284
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 11,976 Thanked: 18,275 Times View My Garage	A perfect example of the UNITED NATIONS branded plates discussed earlier can be found here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...6032010358.jpg
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8th March 2010, 21:14	#285
imperial.s.a BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: bangalore Posts: 260 Thanked: 32 Times	hi KPS correction MYJ BIJAPUR MYN MANDYA MYP GULBARGA MYU CHITRADURGA MYA WAS FIRST PRIVATE REGISTRATION THEN LATER TO COMMERCIAL MYE KARWAR
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