Calcutta-Restorer/Collectors-Bumpu Sircar

TractionAvant · 9th April 2009, 12:18

I can see a Traction

, thanks for sharing.

This car looks like a wolseley version of the MG ZA/ZB

Aditya

hillram · 9th April 2009, 12:28

Great restorations,,this seems to be the past time of the family.

wasif · 9th April 2009, 12:44

The hardtop Study mentioned as a Golden Hawk, if it actually is a Golden Hawk, is a very desirable car.

It is in the same league as the Chrysler 300B of the same year and is one of the early american muscle, big 5.8 liter V8, actually a Packard engine, and top speed of around 125 MPH.

Hope John can clarify if the power unit is a V8 or an inline six. The six came in the base Flight Hawk model, which was part of the Champion range,then came the Power Hawk, part of the Commander range. This had a 269 cid V8.

The next model up the range was the Sky Hawk, part of the President range with a 289 V8.

The top of the line was the Golden Hawk and it had the Packard 352 cid V8.

The car in the picture looks like a hard top and should probably have a V8 as the Fight Hawk and the Power Hawk are actually coupes not hardtops as there is a B pillar.

It probably is a Power or Sky Hawk as the Golden Hawk has larger fins on the rear.I'll place my money on it being a Sky Hawk which is still a nice car.

Can anyone fill in the blanks on this car please.

karlosdeville · 9th April 2009, 17:51

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Originally Posted by wasif

The hardtop Study mentioned as a Golden Hawk, if it actually is a Golden Hawk, is a very desirable car.

There is a beautiful car in Pune in terrific condition, used very regularly. I think it is single owner.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...lden-hawk.html

IndrojitSircar · 16th April 2009, 16:54

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Originally Posted by wasif

The hardtop Study mentioned as a Golden Hawk, if it actually is a Golden Hawk, is a very desirable car.
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It probably is a Power or Sky Hawk as the Golden Hawk has larger fins on the rear.I'll place my money on it being a Sky Hawk which is still a nice car.

Can anyone fill in the blanks on this car please.

Well for intoduction I am Rahul Sircar's son.Sorry for the late reply.Well this car is a 1956 Golden Hawk1 without the supercharger.It has a V8 engine in it.And also it has a Automatic Transmission.Sorry to disappoint you but it is a Golden Hawk.

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wasif · 16th April 2009, 18:55

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Originally Posted by IndrojitSircar

Well for intoduction I am Rahul Sircar's son.Sorry to disappoint you but it is a Golden Hawk.

Nice way to reply to a post!! The car with you might have a V8, so did the power Hawk and the Flight Hawk. The size of the engine in cubic inches should be 352 for a Golden Hawk and 289 for the Sky Hawk and 269 for the Power hawk.

The Golden Hawk of 1956 was never available with a Supercharger. These wereavailable from 1957 onwards only.

But come to think of it what the 1956 Golden Hawk did actually come with was larger tail fins than the other hawks.

How check out he pictures below of an actual Golden Hawk and the car which you claim is the Golden Hawk and please do let me know what you have to say now.

Sorry to dissapoint you bro.

wasif · 16th April 2009, 19:06

Now check out these pictures. These are some pictures of the Power Hawks, the Sky Hawk and the Flight Hawks of 1956.

The fins on your car and these are the same.

The car with you is probably a Sky Hawk.

harit · 16th April 2009, 19:38

This Kolkotta car is probably a Silver Hawk. A friend had seen it 10 years ago and it was shabby, and some minor modifications were done on it. There is always a chance that that was another car, but there were not too many around. BTW, was there also a Silver Hawk? Too lazy to google.
In Mumbai we have a 1956 Studebaker Flight Hawk having a straight 6 cylinder engine with automatic gearbox. That car came originally from Kolkotta.

wasif · 16th April 2009, 19:54

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Originally Posted by harit

This Kolkotta car is probably a Silver Hawk.

There was a Silver Hawk but it was produced only between 1957 & 59. Again bigger wings than whats on the Cal car

Picture attached is a 57.

BTW did you check out the massive carb. Huge must do 3KMPL !!!

IndrojitSircar · 16th April 2009, 23:11

i mentioned that it was a Golden Hawk 1.Reagarding the fins if you see the picture of my car the rear fenders are missing so that is why it seems to be smaller.This car was imported in 1956 itself.This car had a Manual gearbox but then it had an accident and that was damaged and after that the car was fitted with a automatic gearbox.Then this car was lieing with the earlier owner and was not in use.Then we bought this car from him and according to the bluebook it is a 1956 Golden Hawk.Well if it would be a Flight Hawk or a Sky Hawk it would have been mentioned there isn't it?Once we started work on this car Due to some personal reasons it was never completed.
This car has a 352 in³ (5.8 L) V8 engine.

Hope I could satisfy you but iof not you are most welcome to come and see the car in kolkata.

wasif · 16th April 2009, 23:46

Great if so.

Please post apicture of the engine bay. would love to see it

IndrojitSircar · 16th April 2009, 23:53

Will try and upload a picture soon.The car is in calcutta now and i am in Delhi so I shall do that once I am in Calcutta hope that is ok?

harit · 17th April 2009, 10:50

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Originally Posted by IndrojitSircar

i mentioned that it was a Golden Hawk 1.Reagarding the fins if you see the picture of my car the rear fenders are missing so that is why it seems to be smaller.

Once we started work on this car Due to some personal reasons it was never completed.
This car has a 352 in³ (5.8 L) V8 engine.

Well, then this could be termed as one of the earliest Muscle cars. We look forward to engine pics.
Since you know what you have got, is there a chance of the car being restored? It looks do-able and if critical parts are missing you can get from USA. This car should be back on the road.

Though not very much talked about, Studebaker-Packard did produce powerful engines, the V8 on the Golden Hawk and earlier the straight eight Thunderbolt engine. Too bad this company did not survive.

Cheers
Harit

Prabal · 17th April 2009, 13:13

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Originally Posted by IndrojitSircar

i mentioned that it was a Golden Hawk 1.This car has a 352 in³ (5.8 L) V8 engine.

Hi Indrojit,

By any chance does this car have a Nepalese connection? And was she originally in Beige/Fawn/Golden colour shades, even if in two-tone between them or in combo with another?

Thanks and cheers,

Prabal

IndrojitSircar · 17th April 2009, 15:24

@ harit -Yes we plan to do up this car by end of next year.All the body trims(beedings)are missing,the dynamo is missing which is not a problem it can be arranged for easily.So the main things is the trims.If anyone could help me to find them i would be grateful to that person.

@Prabal-No this car doees not have any nepalese connection.this car was white when we bought it.

9th April 2009, 12:18	#16
TractionAvant BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: pune Posts: 241 Thanked: 220 Times	I can see a Traction, thanks for sharing. This car looks like a wolseley version of the MG ZA/ZB Aditya Attached Thumbnails Last edited by TractionAvant : 9th April 2009 at 12:19.
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9th April 2009, 12:28	#17
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	Great restorations,,this seems to be the past time of the family.
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9th April 2009, 12:44	#18
wasif Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi (for now) Posts: 2,957 Thanked: 414 Times	The hardtop Study mentioned as a Golden Hawk, if it actually is a Golden Hawk, is a very desirable car. It is in the same league as the Chrysler 300B of the same year and is one of the early american muscle, big 5.8 liter V8, actually a Packard engine, and top speed of around 125 MPH. Hope John can clarify if the power unit is a V8 or an inline six. The six came in the base Flight Hawk model, which was part of the Champion range,then came the Power Hawk, part of the Commander range. This had a 269 cid V8. The next model up the range was the Sky Hawk, part of the President range with a 289 V8. The top of the line was the Golden Hawk and it had the Packard 352 cid V8. The car in the picture looks like a hard top and should probably have a V8 as the Fight Hawk and the Power Hawk are actually coupes not hardtops as there is a B pillar. It probably is a Power or Sky Hawk as the Golden Hawk has larger fins on the rear.I'll place my money on it being a Sky Hawk which is still a nice car. Can anyone fill in the blanks on this car please. Last edited by wasif : 9th April 2009 at 12:56.
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16th April 2009, 19:06	#22
wasif Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi (for now) Posts: 2,957 Thanked: 414 Times	Now check out these pictures. These are some pictures of the Power Hawks, the Sky Hawk and the Flight Hawks of 1956. The fins on your car and these are the same. The car with you is probably a Sky Hawk. Attached Thumbnails
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16th April 2009, 19:38	#23
harit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,033 Thanked: 3,281 Times	This Kolkotta car is probably a Silver Hawk. A friend had seen it 10 years ago and it was shabby, and some minor modifications were done on it. There is always a chance that that was another car, but there were not too many around. BTW, was there also a Silver Hawk? Too lazy to google. In Mumbai we have a 1956 Studebaker Flight Hawk having a straight 6 cylinder engine with automatic gearbox. That car came originally from Kolkotta. Last edited by harit : 16th April 2009 at 19:40.
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16th April 2009, 23:11	#25
IndrojitSircar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kolkata/Delhi Posts: 2,318 Thanked: 972 Times	i mentioned that it was a Golden Hawk 1.Reagarding the fins if you see the picture of my car the rear fenders are missing so that is why it seems to be smaller.This car was imported in 1956 itself.This car had a Manual gearbox but then it had an accident and that was damaged and after that the car was fitted with a automatic gearbox.Then this car was lieing with the earlier owner and was not in use.Then we bought this car from him and according to the bluebook it is a 1956 Golden Hawk.Well if it would be a Flight Hawk or a Sky Hawk it would have been mentioned there isn't it?Once we started work on this car Due to some personal reasons it was never completed. This car has a 352 in³ (5.8 L) V8 engine. Hope I could satisfy you but iof not you are most welcome to come and see the car in kolkata.
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16th April 2009, 23:46	#26
wasif Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi (for now) Posts: 2,957 Thanked: 414 Times	Great if so. Please post apicture of the engine bay. would love to see it
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16th April 2009, 23:53	#27
IndrojitSircar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kolkata/Delhi Posts: 2,318 Thanked: 972 Times	Will try and upload a picture soon.The car is in calcutta now and i am in Delhi so I shall do that once I am in Calcutta hope that is ok?
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17th April 2009, 15:24	#30
IndrojitSircar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kolkata/Delhi Posts: 2,318 Thanked: 972 Times	@ harit -Yes we plan to do up this car by end of next year.All the body trims(beedings)are missing,the dynamo is missing which is not a problem it can be arranged for easily.So the main things is the trims.If anyone could help me to find them i would be grateful to that person. @Prabal-No this car doees not have any nepalese connection.this car was white when we bought it.
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