[imperial.s.a]

when an old car comes for fitness the M V I has to take an test drive see its road worthy to the core in all aspects and renev the fitness i dont think it will happen in our country only Devils can save the cars which will pass the fitness

[SuperSelect]

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Read the article carefully. It states that the old cars will be allowed to run on weekends. So vintage car owners should not fret too much.

My opinion is that, rather than phasing out these cars, have stringent norms for all cars which include tyre tread wear checks, pollution checks, fuel / oil line checks, etc. Most of the old cars i have seen are in a horrible condition with balding tyres, etc.
For example, UK has the penny test rule, if the penny goes in half the depth of the tyre tread, its fine, or else change the tyre ASAP.

What I find particulary Daft about this proposal is that it's meant to de-congest roads. Do they know, that 20 plus year old cars form a miniscule five or ten percent of cars on Mumbai's roads today ?!? What will they achieve by marginalising them to weekends ?

[Tejas@perioimpl]

Originally Posted by SuperSelect

What I find particulary Daft about this proposal is that it's meant to de-congest roads. Do they know, that 20 plus year old cars form a miniscule five or ten percent of cars on Mumbai's roads today ?!? What will they achieve by marginalising them to weekends ?

This is the problem: Our babus go on their foreign trips and blindly copy rules from there. Abroad, the main reason for phasing cars out in addition to pollution norms is that they gradually increase speed limits on roads and thus older cars cannot meet the safety criteria set for those limits. Thus, they are phased out. Our babus they take one solution and try to apply it to another problem.

[alpha1]

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

This is the problem: Our babus go on their foreign trips and blindly copy rules from there. Abroad, the main reason for phasing cars out in addition to pollution norms is that they gradually increase speed limits on roads and thus older cars cannot meet the safety criteria set for those limits. Thus, they are phased out. Our babus they take one solution and try to apply it to another problem.

This is one aspect of Bharat Sarkar that I could never understand.

Are the civic problems so complex that you can't come up with an ingenuous solution of your own?

[CrackedHead]

Originally Posted by alpha1

This is one aspect of Bharat Sarkar that I could never understand.

Are the civic problems so complex that you can't come up with an ingenuous solution of your own?

What other "justification" could the babus possibly come up with (to justify his all expenses paid vacation)?

An attractive rebate (like in the UK) when you trade in an old car for a new one would probably be a more sensible way of reducing the number of old cars on the road.

[dhrishikesh]

What about all those Consulate Cars ??
Most of them are used in those countries which they belongs to for around 8-10 years & then brought to the countries like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh where not any emission norms are followed, the norms are only followed on papers.

[Stanher]

Originally Posted by CrackedHead

An attractive rebate (like in the UK) when you trade in an old car for a new one would probably be a more sensible way of reducing the number of old cars on the road.

And in that case, what is to be done to the old cars that are traded for the new?

[predatorwheelz]

Originally Posted by Stanher

And in that case, what is to be done to the old cars that are traded for the new?

The old car gets scrapped! Its called the Car Scrappage Scheme, and has been discussed on TBHP before on a few threads.

Here's a link:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...ml#post1314571

So Mr. Crackedhead, it is probably very bad news for classic car lovers if the UK system were to be implemented in India. A rebate on a new car would mean we have one less justification to our families, when we fight with them for retaining the old jalopy!

@Dhrishikesh - Consulate cars are above MV rules. They do not need to have a local registration, and hence local PUC norms dont apply to them. A bad system, but acceptable considering how few consulate cars exist anyway.

[Caddy]

The question is not about a fitness certificate. My cars do not confirm to even the regular PUC norms! How can a 1954 or a 1957 car confirm to PUC norms? An exemption needs to be given to such cars. I am told (not sure) that vehicles registered with VCCCI are eligible to an exemption from PUC requirements. Assuming that to be true what about your dukkars and landmasters and ambys which VCCCI will not look at?

[the mole]

Originally Posted by Caddy

How can a 1954 or a 1957 car confirm to PUC norms? An exemption needs to be given to such cars. I am told (not sure) that vehicles registered with VCCCI are eligible to an exemption from PUC requirements. Assuming that to be true what about your dukkars and landmasters and ambys which VCCCI will not look at?

You will be shocked to know that all my classic cars incuding my Diesel Mercedes clears PUC's regularly with flying colours, I dont see any reason why they should not if the engine is well tuned and running at its optimal best.

[anjan_c2007]

Phasing out private motor vehicles will never be possible at least in our country due to the multiple complexities involved.
There have been umpteen news reports in the press ever since the early 1990's but no such legislation has come forth.
Pre 1960 cars and bikes are heritage property on wheels and the government is rather taking steps to preserve these old beauties. So they can never be scrapped by law.
Worst come,if my old cars are scrapped I'll use them as mini drawing or living rooms.

[sgiitk]

@anjan_c2007: I fully echo your statement.

[abhishek_bmw]

It will be not possible to impost such rule-mind that,there is Court for appealing.

[predatorwheelz]

Originally Posted by CrackedHead

An attractive rebate (like in the UK) when you trade in an old car for a new one would probably be a more sensible way of reducing the number of old cars on the road.

Originally Posted by predatorwheelz

The old car gets scrapped! Its called the Car Scrappage Scheme, and has been discussed on TBHP before on a few threads.

Here's a link:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...ml#post1314571

So Mr. Crackedhead, it is probably very bad news for classic car lovers if the UK system were to be implemented in India. A rebate on a new car would mean we have one less justification to our families, when we fight with them for retaining the old jalopy!

Guess the old monster just reared its ugly head again. SIAM seeks scrappage sop to replace old vehicles.

Auto industry demand scrappage incentives- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

[KITE RUNNER]

Old vehicles of all sorts, which are in dilapidated and unfit condition should be scrapped. They are a real threat to all road users and the environment.
The fitness tests and emission norms should be strictly followed.

Remember, all old cars can not be termed vintage cars or classics.