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Old 18th December 2012, 20:28   #31
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Aren't fords engines known to be more noisy and agricultural? (not arguing their abilities.)
I would still stick to recommending a Honda Civic with some extra dampening for good measure and if your friend is stuck on having only a diesel, then try the Elantra BUT do go and test every car out there cause that's all it ends with: your decision.
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Am not sure why people are only recommending D segment and above options. For a 15L budget, most of these will be out of the window anyway.

Instead, ask your friend to look at petrol sedans in the C/C+ segment. I can vouch for the Vento and Scala, since I own the former and have done the official TBHP review for the latter . Both are extremely refined engines with minimum noise percolating into the cabin. They will easily fit the budget. You can even consider the cheaper rebadged versions: the Rapid MPI and Nissan Sunny petrol respectively.

I haven't driven a Verna petrol but the diesel variant is amazingly refined and you may want to include that too in the shortlist. Stay clear of the Vento TDI since it has a pronounced growl; same goes for most of the diesels in the market.
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Old 18th December 2012, 21:04   #33
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I would suggest a brand new Innova for your friend.

Although few cars can fulfill all the requirements listed by you cent percent I feel the Innova would come closest

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Since the budget has not been defined here, how about the i20 CRDI? AFAIK, there are no noticeable squeaks in this car and it's a pretty good one.

The same would also apply to the Swift/ Dzire sisters (however, the new models come with an even thinner glass, which let out outside noise but, this can be changed (?))

And as mentioned by most, get a good damping and we set sail. All the best to your friend.
I, for some reason wish to better my own suggestion after re-reading the original post-
  1. 5-6 people
  2. Diesel
  3. Silent
  4. Rattle Free
  5. Economical
  6. Within the budget

Innova. Period!

Or a Honda/ Toyota (Corolla) vehicle and converting the same to CNG/ LPG. Will not equal the savings of a diesel car however, will prove light on the pocket. Additionally, these 2 brands are synonymous with building rattle-free and economical cars.

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The new age diesel engines are very refined. Some even question these cars if they are run on diesel. The 5 series for example is a fine example of refined engine.
Refined? Yes. As refined as a petrol? No. Even in the mighty 530d, at idle & low rpms, you know it's a diesel. Sit in the 6-cylinder petrols and you won't even know if the engine is running.

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Dude!! Show him the video of the Avantador that Racetech uploaded in another thread. Would be awesome to see his expressions.




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Am not sure why people are only recommending D segment and above options
Same reason you are recommending sedans when the OP created this thread in the SUVs & MUVs section

@ JediKnight : Get the Innova, Dampmat and a bluetooth Jabra headset. You're all set. Too bad there is no CNG in Bangalore, else the Innova Petrol + factory CNG kit would have been perfect.

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@GTO.

Agreed and i did mention that petrol and diesel can never be compared.

Whats the point in driving a torque monster without feeling the growl. A simple TDI growl is sweet sound to some including me. I hardly use music just to love the sound of the engine.

What he actually needs is those limo where the engine is a mile ahead of the rear seat and you are basically sitting in a moving bedroom.
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Our pal is reading the thread with great interest and is now returned to mama earth from his lofty pedestal.
Thanks to the erudite opinions of bhpians he realizes that he will not have the kind of refinement he is looking at in his budget/fuel choice.

He may have to compromise a little bit and use passive/active sound reduction techniques. He will test ride all the vehicles suggested and see what satisfies him.

While we are at it I was wondering why not create a refinement raking of diesel MUV/SUVs in the approximate 15 L region:
I might be useful to people with similar requirement.

My ranking would be:

1. Toyota Innova.
2. Tata Aria
3. Renault Duster.
4. Mahindra XUV.
5. Mahindra Xylo (E9 )
6. Mahindra Scorpio.
7. Tata Safari 2.2.
8. Bolero m2dicr
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alright i have read enough of this discussion between petrol, diesel, cabin noise, D-segment cars and Woha~the majestic Phantom. Now let me try my hand at answering his question and who knows may be it will help.

well since your friend needs a car at a budget of around 15lacs and needs a super silent one, the two cars i can think of [that are going to be economical to run and keep are - "Strictly Conditions Apply"] are
#1 Fiat Linea. (if he buys this one ~ top end he will have 3 lacs to play with and down side it can seat only 5)
#2 Renault Duster. (if he buys this one say the 110bhp middle model he will have around 2.5lacs to play with)

and now the conditions. mind you these are practical options i would consider if i were your friend in this case and according to me the best the money(given the budget~15Lacs) can buy.

1. get the car's suspension changed to one similar to the red rooster's top of the line tien set up with adjustable set up. this suspension would help reduce the thud sounds from pot holes.

2. get the car completely damped for noise.

your friend can contact one of those "noise killer/damper material maker companies" and order the materials to absorb low, mid and high frequency noises that come from a car and have it installed and to top it off, if he buys the linea top - end diesel model he will still be left with cash to install sound proof (may be even bullet proof ) windshields, window glasses and rear glass.

voila he can have a car with least possible noisy cabin in his budget and still have a steal in the maintenance/running costs as well.

here are a couple of threads from our own forum that show a person's commitment to hearing pure music and in the process created one of the quietest possible cabins out of his cars by dampening the hell out of them.

"http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-off-show-off/97030-vw-polo-white-1-6-petrol-ice-4s-2-z-audio.html"

"http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-off-show-off/36552-i-10-ice-equipment-installation-pictures.html"

if your friend has such commitment and if he is willing to go a little beyond what was done in the above threads, then what he wants can be achieved 95% and this should be enough and is say this because of two reasons:-

1. a 100 percent silent cabin is especially dangerous for our driving conditions given the roads/traffic rules followers and the likes.
2.the roads in our country are blessed with so many pot holes that i fear even in phantom one would hear a noise louder than a clock as advertised.

P.S. i am sincerely hoping that person willing to own such a car is real and that this question/thread was not started just to know if such a car at that price point exists!
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He may have to compromise a little bit and use passive/active sound reduction techniques. He will test ride all the vehicles suggested and see what satisfies him.
Maybe the Toyota Prius will fullfill his needs. The car was so quiet, that Toyota had to fit an extra noise genertaing equipment to warn pedestrians. But it costs around 25L here in India. Maybe a used one will come for 15L, but finding one will be more difficult than locating an RR Phantom.

IMO a car that is completly insulated, will be boring to drive with no driver involvement.

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Old 11th April 2020, 14:49   #40
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Which new car (and not pre owned) with a much refined petrol engine under 15 lakhs in today's Indian market?

This post is all about refinement of the engine (the lowest possible NVH, smoother acceleration) other things like a type of the car (hatchback/sedan/SUV etc), interior/exterior quality of material, mileage not to be considered.

I did find few threads about silent diesel sedan (The most silent diesel sedan (under 12 lac category)), most refined vehicle (with lots of terms and conditions in it and the discussion went towards D segment sedans and many luxury cars which in fact do carry the refinement badge along with their massive price tag beside them).

What I'm trying to discuss here is under 15 lakhs new petrol car with much refined engine in today's Indian market.

(Respected moderators kindly merge this post if already exists)
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Go for the new facelifted turbo petrol Hyundai Verna.

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The turbo varient gets different front grill, front and rear bumper along with a twin tip exhaust. The interiors are all black with orange accent.

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You also get blue link technology on offer, ventilated seats, smart trunk opener. The turbo varient (SX(O)) costs 13.99L ex-showroom.

The verna comes with three engine options, out of which two of them are petrol. 1.5L Petrol (the one in Seltos), 1.0L Kappa Turbo Petrol.

Note that, 1.5L Petrol comes in manual and IVT options. The 1.0L only comes with a 7 speed Dual Clutch Transmission (7DCT)

The 1.5L produces 115 hp whereas the turbo produces a 120 hp. I haven't driven the new Verna but I'm sure the engines won't be as good as the 1.6L petrol that it initially came with.

What you get is better mileage and a BS6 engine. Also note that the 1.0L turbo varient only comes in the top of the line SX(O) varient and this engine is not available in any other varient.

The 1.5L varient is also available in automatic (IVT) in SX(O) varient that costs 13.85L ex-showroom.

The price between them is Rs.14,000. Since I haven't driven the car, my speculation is that the 1.0L turbo petrol being a small engine might filter in vibrations. Ofcourse the DCT will have much smoother shifts than the IVT.

1.5L varient in manual SX(O) costs 12.60L.

The things you won't enjoy about the verna is the cramped rear seats and low ground clearance (not much of an issue in cities)
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May I ask the reason for this thread? Are you looking to purchase a new car once this lockdown is over or do you simply want to debate on which car has the best petrol engine within the price range mentioned?
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Since your only criteria is refinement and NVH levels, I would suggest that you stick to the sedans.

In the sedans, If you are looking for a manual, there is no better and quieter car than the Hyundai Elantra. And it costs Rs 15,89,000 for the S Manual, according to Hyundai click to buy website.
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Go for the new face lifted turbo petrol Hyundai Verna.
Totally agree with your choice sir.
I'm no expert in cars, have sat in colleagues Verna, although haven't driven yet. But I have driven my brother's Elantra, a friend's grand i10 and I do believe, Hyundai does make a great impression when it comes to engine refinement.
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Totally agree with your choice sir.
I'm no expert in cars, have sat in colleagues Verna, although haven't driven yet. But I have driven my brother's Elantra, a friend's grand i10 and I do believe, Hyundai does make a great impression when it comes to engine refinement.
Well I was checking the car prices and to my surprise the GTK manual varient of the Seltos is priced at 14.09L. Considering it a steal as the 1.4L turbo engine is really fun to drive and a quiet place. I own a GTX+ dct. Both the varients are identical on the exterior, it's just few minor differences like break calipers remaining silver. The main difference lies in the feature list. If you are willing to trade off some features and have alot more space and fun would say Seltos is a good option.

The 1.5 L petrol (same as verna and Creta) costs 13.09L in HTX varient. To my shock the Creta doesn't have a 1.4L manual and 'ONLY' comes in automatic that costs 16.6L (SX base turbo) that is out of your budget. So if you want a good engine. Seltos is offering a great performance machine.


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