9th February 2017, 12:28 | #211 | |
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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...rd-fiesta.html If I had to choose a car now, my list would be as follows - 1) VW Vento/Skoda Rapid - in the TSI/TDI guise based on the price and requirement. 2) Abarth Punto - HPS, build quality, handling and if I don't mind spending 12L on a Fiat (which I don't, to be honest). 3) VW Polo TSI - gearbox (ease of use, happy left foot and the 'S' mode which is fun), looks (I like it and with subtle mods it will be a great looker) and if I don't want the rear seats. 4) Figo TDCi - engine (more performance with a remap?) and if I don't mind a Ford in a Maruti/Hyundai clothing (no offence meant to anyone). 5) Linea - Would've been an easy-peasy decision if this was 2013-14. The car per se is not bad at all but even the heart doesn't agree with this one in 2017. Second hand market then, would be the ideal place to look out but if you are someone like me, I know you wouldn't go there. All the best and happy shopping! Last edited by Porschefire : 9th February 2017 at 12:32. | |
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9th February 2017, 12:33 | #212 | |
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The Polo and Ameo lack the engine credentials required to qualify for a driver's car and both of them again have soft suspensions and a steering with dead centre. The polo tsi is brilliant but let off the mark due to the comfort oriented suspension tuning. Also, though a petrol head should not be looking at this, skoda and VWs are not easy on the pocket to maintain. | |
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9th February 2017, 12:48 | #213 | |
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Point is, cars like the following - 1.Ford Fiesta 1.6 S 2.Fiat Palio 1.6 3.Old Baleno 4.Skoda Octavia RS (first gen) 5.Suzuki Swift 1.3 6.Figo (first gen) 7.Ford Ikon 1.6 8.Fiat Uno 1.2 (with a tyre upgrade) The essence of these fantastic driving machines has been lost. | |
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9th February 2017, 12:52 | #214 | |
Senior - BHPian | Re: "Driver's Car" a concept that seems endangered Quote:
The other thing the Polo siblings lack is good brake bite. This also can be solved by upgrading the rotors/pads to something good after market. Fix these two issues, get a basic remap and it'll run circles against a fiesta. The fiesta S was pretty sorted out in terms of ride, handling and steering. However even that car lacked brake bite IMHO. The biggest issue with the fiesta was the engine - it barely made any power and felt pretty slow in a straight line. Even a stock Polo 1.2 TSI without any remap is much much quicker in acceleration. After a remap it is a riot. | |
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9th February 2017, 12:59 | #215 | |
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| Re: "Driver's Car" a concept that seems endangered Quote:
In reality these are not possible you only get what you pay for!! Either increase the budget for a new car, or buy what you like even if it is a used car. Most that you listed such as Palio 1.6, Baleno, Ikon, Uno, Octavia/Figo first gen all can only be found in used car market & not in showrooms. | |
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Thank you for the suggestion reignofchaos, it is genuinely good, however, the polo is already not a very reliable car and with the mod I doubt its longevity. I am looking for a car in stock tune which I can push to the limit through a 5 year life span without worrying too much about it breaking it (mechanically). also, the fiesta S did not have weak brakes, the brake pedal required a stronger shove to make it work, the stopping distance of the car was perfect. If I talk about weak brakes my swift is horrible even when I stomp the brake pedal with all my might. Talking about the engine of the fiesta S, I agree it did not have a very strong bottom end but as a package with the car it was quite fast. Quote:
With the cars I have listed, it was possible to actually live that fantasy. I dont see 12 lakhs to be a bad budget for a driver's car and this is exactly the point that I am trying to drive here, on the new car market we are not left with good drivers cars for decent money. They have gradually moved to a niche segment, our mind-set has been tuned to believe that if we want a car that's outstanding to drive, raise your budget or go home. That said, I take your opinion and like I have mentioned in an earlier post, the polo and vento TSI are on my list but am not entirely satisfied by the drive either, so the finances come in second here. NOTE FROM T-BHP SUPPORT: Please avoid posting consecutively. Use the EDIT / QUOTE+ functions within 30 minutes of posting. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. Last edited by suhaas307 : 9th February 2017 at 14:11. Reason: See note in post | ||
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9th February 2017, 13:50 | #218 |
Senior - BHPian | In today's market there is no car as you want under 12-Lakhs which can quality as a bone stock fun to drive car. The market is filled with jacked up hatchbacks with a suspension tuned for comfort or sedans with a ground clearance which could put a few compact SUVs to shame. You have only two options- 1. Pick up something from the existing options available and get a set of aftermarket struts and coil overs from some reputed brand. 2. Pick up a used Jetta or a E90 320d. |
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9th February 2017, 15:27 | #219 | |
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Here's the thing, all these cars are more than a decade old and back then, anything beyond 7-8L was considered serious money. The Fiesta 1.6S for example which retailed for about 10L then would definitely cost twice that today. The market itself has changed drastically over the last decade with cars becoming more 'soft' in their approach and pricier. How else would one justify a sub-10L on road price for a car like the Ignis!!! Cars which were performance oriented back then were more or less 'imposed' on us by the manufacturers because of the lack of options. The purists loved them but the person who wanted comfort and FE absolutely hated it. Though I like Hyundais and have owned one, I strongly believe they are the reason for the cars becoming 'soft' nowadays. They are the masters of providing a comfortable VFM product IMO and the problem is every manufacturer in the country is trying to replicate that. That is what 99% of the aam-janta want. My point is, the market has changed. Sub 4m cars rule the 3-12L range, SUVs/UVs/MUVs on the 12-22L bracket and performance starts beyond 22L. You will never find the 'perfect' car in your range, best you can do is pick the one which offers fun as an ingredient and you make a main course out of it. Last edited by suhaas307 : 9th February 2017 at 15:47. Reason: Trimming quoted post for improved readability. Thanks. | |
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9th February 2017, 17:49 | #220 | |
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1.Baleno RS 2.Swift RS 3.Toyota Vios (not that I expect too much from it as a driver's car) 4.Ciaz 1.5 5.Aspire Ecoboost (a dream that I wish comes true ) while keeping the following cars on my list from the current lot - 1.Polo GT TSI 2.Vento TSI 3.Honda City (neutral dynamics and an explosive engine) 4.Punto Abarth 5. Linea 125 I wonder what it would be like if I could purchase a second hand ford fiesta which would cost me about Rs.3 lakhs and plonk a 1.0 ecoboost in it which should cost me another 4-5 lakhs. Its just a brain wave, that's worth discussing, not that I am actually going to do it | |
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11th February 2017, 07:56 | #223 | |
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In fact even Honda is shifting to turbo petrol with the upcoming Civic which is expected at the end of 2017 & has a 1.8L turbo petrol churning 174hp under the hood. Thing is though, these turbo petrols are fast & there is no doubt about it but they just arent as mystical as a naturally aspirated engine. Reason being turbo engines have smaller displacements with a turbo for added air intake in the valves to churn more power, thus making them more susceptible to slow down due to passenger & luggage load & Air-conditioning than a larger displacement Naturally Aspirated engine. Further, Turbo petrols then have a limited power band because only the range where the turbo works is where that engine pushes itself, for the rest of the time it'll tell you "don't disturb me, I am working & that should be good for you" Bottom Line, Turbo Petrols are faster, but Naturally Aspirated engines are better & the current city might be one of the last ones to use a brilliant N/A engine in the sedan category. I appreciate Fiat here for one fact that the linea still carries a displacement of 1.4 litres so you get the better of both worlds but not the best | |
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| Moving beyond the Optra Magnum- the 1 million problem? Hi BHPians, This thread going to be about searching for the next right car from my current pre-worshiped Optra Magnum. Background: My own first car was a Chevy Beat Petrol. Bought it more so because the looks/design appealed to me more than anything else. Sold it in around slightly over 3 years (in 2015) and based on a seed planted in me about buying pre-worshipped cars I was introduced to the world of Optra Magnums. Of course these were highly underestimated/not very successful cars in the market but something about the Optra Magnum appealed to me immensely which is why i took the plunge and got myself another Chevy-a 2009 Dec Optra Magnum LT. What I Like about the car- - The 2.0l engine (the lag doesnt bother me too much), the performance, the ability to climb triple digits speeds- probably faster than pretty much 90% of traffic on the road- even stronger performer on the highway -The ability to be a proper sleeper, the comfortable ride yet the decent handling -Plush leather interiors -Airbags, ABS+EBD, all discs around- superb acceleration coupled with good braking -Despite its age there are no rattles- impeccable build-I do find the thud of the doors better than the likes of VW (of course its my opinion) -For a large, heavy diesel car the clutch never bothered me. For some reason the one in my car is lighter than usual. Mind you I travel back and forth in the horrible ORR peak hour traffic in Bangalore. What I dont like- -Unavailability of Parts/expensive parts/no warranty -Age of the car showing up with things requiring replacement like the suspension -Lack of any modern technology- a 6 CD changer isnt so hip in 2017 So well the Optra Experience has taught me a thing or two about the pre-worshiped experience. But the D segment type engine performance has spoilt me completely in terms of what I expect out of a car's engine. Which brings me to subject- What next? I am looking to replace my Optra mainly because of its age and un-friendliness towards getting new parts and I am confused between a new car or another pre-worshipped one. Budget: 10 lakhs (can stretch to another 15% if required) Requirements: - Need power and that is going to be the main thing- I doubt I will enjoy anything which is much slower than the optra. It has be in a similar league or better - If its pre-worshipped I need to definitely have a warranty in place. This rules out powerful D segment cars which fall in my budget and are under warranty - All go and no handling? Well, it should of course be a decent handler- if not good to match the engine - Looks are not my priority as such neither is back seat comfort or even boot space - No loyalty to any particular brand (despite what my last 2 cars tell you ) however, parts availability should not be a concern - I would prefer an automatic, but could go either way. - Prefer a diesel but could go either way - SUV/Sedan/Hatchback? Prefer a sedan >SUV>Hatchback- however irrelevant for the right car I have been trying figure out what my options are, but I need a larger audience to help me in this dilemma and nothing better than the members of this forum. Thanks in advance! |
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| Re: Moving beyond the Optra Magnum- the 1 million problem? Stretch 50% and get a S-Cross 1.6, will keep you power happy for a good long while without worry about spares. |
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