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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Why not buy the Innova Crysta Petrol AT then? It is available in the 7 seater AT configuration and you should be able to save more than 2 lakhs on road, which can later be used for fuel. |
I did think about it. But, for lugging such a heavy vehicle, the Petrol might not be the best bet. I might end up keeping the rpms high to get some fun and that will just destroy the mileage which is already at a very low value. The best thing about the turbo charged Diesel engines with low turbo lag is that you can have a good balance between smooth driving and short quick acceleration, all that without compromising on the economy. With the Petrol, especially on heavy vehicles, you end up driving either in the "power/low efficiency mode" or "smooth/moderate efficiency mode". The innova Diesel's peak torque delivery from as low an rpm as 1200 rpms all the way till 3400 is the idealistic way of how a torque curve should be on Indian roads.
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Originally Posted by abs182 I will be buying a car in the next 6 months and currently have zeroed on Corolla because of its comfort and reliability. What I'm still undecided is whether I should opt for an AT version or not. |
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Originally Posted by dhruvritzed 6. CVT is again a very poor choice of transmission in that price bracket. |
Highly recommend going for the AT. The Super CVT used on the Corolla is originally designed for the Lexus and is one of the best CVTs you can get it in the market. Check out
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/how-...-transmissions to get a better idea about this transmission.
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Originally Posted by Sheel Please check the comfort of a captain seat equipped SUV and the one which comes with regular seats. Sometimes passengers like to stretch or sit cross legged or you would like to rest in an emergency [of course in a stationery vehicle] and this is where practically choosing the seats will be a blessing in disguise.
If given a choice, I will opt for regular seats for my 4WD S10. Happy shopping |
Won't the 3rd row solve most of these issues ? And the business class mode using the 1st and 2nd row of the Innova is also a very flexible seating position.
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Originally Posted by n.devdath 3. Higher GC means you need not mentally bother about a few speedbreakers and potholes, not to mention pesky two wheelers in traffic. Peace of mind when driving/being driven. |
In fact, the GC of the new Corolla is pretty high for a sedan. Even though, it cannot stampede over humps like the way the Innova does, it can smoothly sale over most humps without bringing it to dead slow speeds.
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Originally Posted by n.devdath 5. Easy entry and egress for people of all ages compared to the Corolla. |
I'll have to cross check on this. There are different opinions coming here. I'll have to find out which of the 2 is easier - climbing up an innova or crawling into a Corolla.
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Originally Posted by bansal.sushant I would also recommend that you consider Tata Hexa and Skoda Octavia once. Just take a TD. |
The only vehicle which I find is more comfortable than the Crysta is the Hexa. But, I'm not that courageous yet to spend 20L plus on a TATA/Skoda.
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Originally Posted by bansal.sushant You can also consider a used older gen. Innova or a used Fortuner. |
Comfort is the priority. So, Fortuner is not even an option.
Automatic is a must. So, old gen Innova is not an option as well.
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Originally Posted by GTO In the area of comfort, no sedan can beat a good UV with captain seats (Innova, Hexa etc.). The higher seating position, bucket seats in the middle row, ample legroom and individual armrest make for an unbeatable combination.
The only question mark is whether those family members with knee problems are okay with getting into an Innova (i.e. ingress). If yes, that would be my recommendation. |
In 2 lines, you nailed this comparison. Thank you! If ingress/egress is not an issue, I might most certainly go for the Crysta. The worst case is that I might have to sell this after 10 years even though it can last for 15 plus years easily.
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Originally Posted by R2D2 The Altis is far better in road handling, engine refinement and overall fit and finish. Make no mistake, it IS a comfortable car, especially in the backseat, compared to most choices in the D1 segment but when compared with the Innova it comes up short. Given a choice between an Altis or Innova for a comfortable long distance journey I'd always take the latter. |
Thanks for the honest views. Having come from a person who has used both vehicles gives a lot of confidence.
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Originally Posted by A350XWB Of the two, I would suggest to go for the Crysta. My friend is owning a Corolla Altis AT and seating is low. Ingress/Egress will be a problem for the elderly/people with knee issues. Sitting in one for long distances can be an issue for people with knee problems. A chair like sitting position is always preferred in that case. |
This is exactly what I was concerned about in the sedan. Will extensively test it out by taking both these cars for a long drive.
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Originally Posted by androdev 1. Body roll. Kerala highways can be taxing in Innova: lot of twists, frequent braking due to high traffic in narrow roads. This should not be a concern for city commute. |
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Originally Posted by GTO The Innova is no boat....err, Xylo. Body roll is well controlled. As long as the driver takes things easy around corners (which he must do in a UV), I don't see cause for complaint.
Incidentally, we'd rented an Innova when we toured Kerala for a week. Wouldn't pick any other cab. It was mighty comfortable. |
I don't do fast cornering on winding roads even on sedan/hatch as it can become very uncomfortable for the passengers. It will always be smooth on such roads. The target will be to avoid any situations which forces me to brake and accelerate.
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Originally Posted by androdev 2. Smooth AT that can take off and halt without abrupt jerks. |
I know that Corolla Altis Super CVT is one of the smoothest around. How good is the Crysta's AT as far as smoothness is concerned ?
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Originally Posted by androdev 3. NVH |
With peak torque available right from 1200 rpms, there is no need to rev an Innova. And I guess the NVH stays well within control on the lower side of 2500 rpms.
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Originally Posted by androdev 4. Enlightened driver |
Altis with the super CVT is more of a driver's car. But, if the additional driver effort of the Innova can give a comfortable journey on long drives, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by dhruvritzed 7. Missing niceties like ambient lighting on the corolla |
Don't care about the niceties much. If the lower automatic variant of the Crysta provided curtain airbags and seat height adjustment features, I would have preferred that variant over the Z any day.
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Originally Posted by dhruvritzed 8. You'll throw out the corolla out of the consideration set if you test drive an Octy 1.8 Tsi |
I'm more than happy with the power of Corolla Altis on typical Indian driving conditions. And I'm growing older as well. During my younger days, I used to do 160 kmph with the Etios, but now has toned it down and always try and stay within the speed limits.
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Originally Posted by Asish_VK Adding to the list, Why not consider the XUV500 ?
Its a comfortable 5 Seater / Occasional 7 Seater (with loads of room in middle row)
Monocoque, providing better ride and handling |
It's an SUV, not an MUV/MPV and ride is on the stiffer side.
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Originally Posted by Contrapunto A "lateral-thinking" suggestion- have you explored any pre-owned Camry's ? They will come at a cheaper price and be way more comfortable than either of your choices... |
Yes, added that to the list.
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Originally Posted by Sankar If i were to buy a new Toyota automatic in this price range I would chose the Crysta AT 8 seater once again. There are no new issues to report what has been reported has been solved by Toyota to my complete satisfaction. |
That's confidence inspiring.
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Originally Posted by coolmel Sire, why not the Isuzu SUV? |
Because I do not want to get stuck with a brand which I'm not sure will survive in India 5 to 15 years from now. Add to that, the spare issues inherent with any low volume model.
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Originally Posted by Hayek One question (and pardon me if I missed the answer) - do you self drive. If so the Corolla is far superior to the Crysta. The only reason to go for the Crysta is because you do 1500 km a month - in ten years, the Crysta at 180 k kms would still be good, but I think the Corolla will be showing its age. |
Yes, I do drive myself. Even though, the ladder on frame Toyotas can last a lifetime, doesn't mean that its sedans don't last. I've travelled in Camrys which has done 6.5 lakh kms and it still drives like new. The corollas in the middle east do 5 lakhs plus kms easily.
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Originally Posted by ecenandu I could feel slight judder @ 20 - 30 Kmph in Innova automatic. There is noticeable drone inside the cabin at higher engine rpm, also. Below 3000 rpm, it felt smooth. |
Can you please explain this more ? Was it the same every time, you were on 20-30 kmph or was it a one off case ?
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Originally Posted by FAIAAA Corolla Altis.
But give it 70-80 kms on the odo and she moves like a boat. Atleast thats my view after being chauffeured around in a similarly run corolla (mine has done 90kms). |
Did you mean to say that Innova above 80-90 kmph is uncomfortable on a highway ?
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Originally Posted by FAIAAA Another MUV you can consider is the BRV. Low on safety and build quality but drives like a car and has 80% of the practicality / space of the Crysta at 50% of the price. |
Have checked this out. Didn't feel good about it. And Honda is notorious for spare availability during accident repairs with their lesser sold models. My friend who own a Honda Amaze has faced this multiple times.