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Old 17th March 2020, 19:29   #46
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I was checking out used cars only initially.

I finally gave up since I thought it was not worth all that hassle and wasted time and decided to switch to new car.

I am also looking at BS6 CVT Duster as that fits my use case nicely. What do you guys think?
Didn't catch that you are a new driver. I would recommend a used car to a new driver too. You could try Cars24's new used cars division. They provide a detailed inspection report that identifies issues very well, and a summary of it can be viewed when you're doing an online search. If you are keen on a new car, read on.

In my experience, a lot of new drivers like the commanding driving positions of SUVs and crossovers, as it helps them judge the car's dimensions better. However, larger cars like the Ciaz could be more painful to drive. Test drive them and figure out what works best for you.

The new Polo TC could be on your list as well, though its reliability will be an unknown. The Amaze CVT is pretty good and reliable too.

The Duster CVT is only available in BS4 right now. The BS6 engine announced for the Duster has no AT option right now. The Triber is great for people who need to occasionally seat 7 but have no cash to spend. But it's engine is disappointing and not something I would recommend.

The EcoSport, on the other hand, is an absolute joy to drive and really safe too. Didn't recommend it initially as it was way above your budget (since they have surprisingly discontinued the Trend+ AT variant, which was absolute value for money). Do test drive it if your budget allows you to stretch for it.

Test drive the EcoSport, Nexon, Brezza, Aura, and Amaze, and you should have a clear winner (or at least a shorter shortlist).

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Hi Druv,
As per my understanding, no CVT option is available for the Duster BS6 petrol as of now. Only 3 variants of 1.5 manual petrol are available currently.

They might bring back the CVT at a later stage.
(Correct me if I am wrong)

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Yup looks I like I got confused between the BS4 and BS6. Well given the current situation (covid-19), I will anyways have to wait. Hopefully they release a CVT version by then and don't switch to a DCT :(

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Didn't catch that you are a new driver. I would recommend a used car to a new driver too. You could try Cars24's new used cars division. They provide a detailed inspection report that identifies issues very well, and a summary of it can be viewed when you're doing an online search. If you are keen on a new car, read on.
Tbh I found the quotes on Cars24 to be too much for a used car. Given that I need this car to be in family for a long time, I don't want to spend 5-6 lakhs on a decent old car. That's why I switched to new car and simultaneously am practicing driving by hiring cars.

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In my experience, a lot of new drivers like the commanding driving positions of SUVs and crossovers, as it helps them judge the car's dimensions better. However, larger cars like the Ciaz could be more painful to drive. Test drive them and figure out what works best for you.
I am looking at an SUV mainly because they can handle tough roads quite well and given the status of Bangalore roads under this constructions, I think my back will thank me for it. I tried City Manual and found it fairly easy to control (given that I was driving a sedan for the first time in my life!). Will try Ciaz too (Although I am again worried about the thin metal plate like Baleno).

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The new Polo TC could be on your list as well, though its reliability will be an unknown. The Amaze CVT is pretty good and reliable too.

The Duster CVT is only available in BS4 right now. The BS6 engine announced for the Duster has no AT option right now. The Triber is great for people who need to occasionally seat 7 but have no cash to spend. But it's engine is disappointing and not something I would recommend.
I am avoiding VW because my friends have quoted very expensive maintenance! Amaze is one of my top options now, it's just that I don't like the boxy look and not sure how it will handle my route's bad roads. I don't think I will ever need Triber's 7 seats but will wait for Duster BS6 AT.

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The EcoSport, on the other hand, is an absolute joy to drive and really safe too. Didn't recommend it initially as it was way above your budget (since they have surprisingly discontinued the Trend+ AT variant, which was absolute value for money). Do test drive it if your budget allows you to stretch for it.

Test drive the EcoSport, Nexon, Brezza, Aura, and Amaze, and you should have a clear winner (or at least a shorter shortlist).
I am loving the ecosport (from reading) right now, but you are right it's quite out of my budget. I will see if I can stretch it (hoping for a steep discount).
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I am loving the ecosport (from reading) right now, but you are right it's quite out of my budget. I will see if I can stretch it (hoping for a steep discount).
Seeing as there is a drop of sales right now because of the effect of Covid, there maybe some discounts on a month or so. I'm also planning to get the Grand i10 (not the Nios) and hoping for some discounts.
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Hey All,

Thanks for the amazing responses. So now, I have made some changes in my vehicle shortlist:
  • Baleno Petrol CVT Alpha - Removed
  • Hyundai Venue SX+ DCT Petrol 1.0 TURBO - Removed
  • Honda Amaze CVT Petrol
  • Hyundai Grand i10 NIOS AMT Asta Petrol
  • Honda City 1.5 Petrol Manual - Removed
  • MS Brezza AT
  • Tata Nexon AT (Maybe)
  • Ciaz AT

I am also looking at BS6 CVT Duster as that fits my use case nicely. What do you guys think?
Baleno Alpha CVT is a nice city car. Fits perfectly in your budget, too, with some cash to spare. Never drove a petrol Amaze CVT but drove a friend's diesel Amaze CVT and found it very good. Extra torque of diesel helps and car picked up speed fast. Didn't drive on highway, though. Yet to drive Brezza petrol AT. My bro has a petrol Duster CVT and is very happy with it. Suspension of Duster is unmatched. If I were you, I would look at these three as all three come with N.A. engines and smooth CVT.
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Seeing as there is a drop of sales right now because of the effect of Covid, there maybe some discounts on a month or so. I'm also planning to get the Grand i10 (not the Nios) and hoping for some discounts.
Yeah my Hyundai POC has already called me 3 times since yesterday saying that he is running out of stock soon

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Baleno Alpha CVT is a nice city car. Fits perfectly in your budget, too, with some cash to spare.
I would have loved to go with a Baleno CVT and it fits all of my requirements but I am afraid of the thin metal sheet. I don't want my new car to look all dented.

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You can easily opt for the Brezza 4AT auto. Since you drive predominantly in the city, the Vxi auto is just shy of 11L OTR Bangalore and is smooth to drive. AMTs have definitely improved but not the best as they can be jerky depending on your driving style.

Another beautiful option is the Nexon AMT XMA, also around 11L and the 1.2L revotron is a beast. Now gets bumped up power figures of 118bhp and has good driveability. Interior space and packaging is great in this one.

Venue S DCT is also another option. Retails around 12.5L OTR.

My suggestion is to go for an AT since you are in Bangalore. I've moved to ATs now and man, it is a hell of a difference in this congestion!
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While the build, interior quality and untested safety on the Baleno would definitely drive me away, what really grinds my gears is how the steering doesn't return after a U-turn or a sharp turn. This is a problem that I've witnessed on both the Baleno and the Ignis and its something I would never be able to live with. Its absolutely absurd and I've never witnessed it any other vehicle before (I've driven upwards of 30 cars now)! If you do plan on taking a test drive again, do pay attention to this and decide for yourself. It makes a big difference when driving in the city. Further, Honda CVTs are miles ahead of that lazy CVT in the Baleno!

My pick here would be the Ecosport 6AT. I understand that the lack of CarPlay/AndroidAuto (Flyaudio being a real fly in the ointment )deters you from taking the plunge. If you're open to the preowned market, you could look at low run 6AT Titanium+ models with the old 17" wheels. These would have Sync3. Here's a couple of examples : 1. https://www.olx.in/item/ford-ecospor...iid-1566078754 2. https://www.olx.in/item/ford-ecospor...iid-1552778897

DCTs have improved vastly since the early Skoda/VW days. So the Venue would be the next in line. Just make sure you push the brake pedal all the way in when you're waiting in traffic (or shift to N at a signal) so that the transmission doesn't half clutch. The first two gears can be a little jerky at first but you'll figure out how to modulate throttle output over time and it'll just become muscle memory. I'm talking out of personal experience as I regularly drive our Kodiaq in Bombay traffic.

The Nexon is a lot of car for the money and if you're okay with the AMT, it's quite difficult to ignore. If you're willing to wait, I'd say look out for the new i20 which promises to be quite the package.

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Automatics are a huge factor apart from cabs, that contribute to growing traffic IMO. An automatic will often be in the wrong gear for example, when moving off a traffic signal, slowing down because of a rough patch of road, and then moving ahead again.
With all due respect, I definitely find this to be an exaggeration. Automatic gearboxes are quite smart now and it's more likely that a novice or lazy driver will not bother with downshifting in a manual when traffic slows down or when he/she encounters a pothole. Barely anyone cares about driving like us and they're better off mashing the pedal in an automatic.

I'd say one of the biggest contributors is actually people distracted by their phones in traffic, not paying attention to traffic signals and with one hand occupied, you can't even shift down on time. It's almost impossible not to encounter at least one person busy on their phone every time I head out in the car. I've reached a level where I look at what the driver in front of me is doing through their IRVM (At their eyes or the backlight of the phone on their face) and lightly honk (sadly!) beforehand so that they get a move on.

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I was checking out used cars only initially. Most of the cars I tried (through company contacts) were terrible... either improver servicing, dents/scratches, missing safety features etc. I was also advised by my friends to take an experienced mechanic to check the engine etc but did not find any. I finally gave up since I thought it was not worth all that hassle and wasted time and decided to switch to new car. What I did do was rent a lot of cars from Drivezy and stuff and drive for 1 hr stretches in traffic to get better handle on cars.



Will have a look at Tiago too although will probably go with i10 compared to that because overall build quality is better. I agree with the used car point 100%.

Hey All,

Thanks for the amazing responses. So now, I have made some changes in my vehicle shortlist:
  • Baleno Petrol CVT Alpha - Removed
  • Hyundai Venue SX+ DCT Petrol 1.0 TURBO - Removed
  • Honda Amaze CVT Petrol
  • Hyundai Grand i10 NIOS AMT Asta Petrol
  • Honda City 1.5 Petrol Manual - Removed
  • MS Brezza AT
  • Tata Nexon AT (Maybe)
  • Ciaz AT

I am also looking at BS6 CVT Duster as that fits my use case nicely. What do you guys think?

Would advice you to stay away from the Nexon AMT. Please go through this thread.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...1ud9kMFnrlZrdh


Regarding the build quality of Brezza, it is better than other Maruti cars, as the Brezza and S-cross are built on Suzuki's global Vitara platform, unlike the other cars based on the HEARTECT platform. Both these cars are less susceptible to dents as compared to other Maruti cars.

I have no experience of the Nios and the amaze, but their compact dimensions would mean that they are convenient to park.

Though I have never driven a ciaz, but have extensively experienced it. I can vouch for the refinement, space and comfort that it offers, and it even falls in your budget. It's build quality is also not bad, it's at par with cars like the Honda amaze. But one thing you must keep in mind is that being a new driver, it's bonnet is a little difficult to judge, and the sheer length may make it a bit cumbersome for you to drive in city traffic.
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Hey All,

Thanks for the amazing responses. So now, I have made some changes in my vehicle shortlist:
  • Baleno Petrol CVT Alpha - Removed
  • Hyundai Venue SX+ DCT Petrol 1.0 TURBO - Removed
  • Honda Amaze CVT Petrol
  • Hyundai Grand i10 NIOS AMT Asta Petrol
  • Honda City 1.5 Petrol Manual - Removed
  • MS Brezza AT
  • Tata Nexon AT (Maybe)
  • Ciaz AT

I am also looking at BS6 CVT Duster as that fits my use case nicely. What do you guys think?
Hey, I'm quite a similar user to you. I'm a new driver, 24 y/o, live in Bengaluru and just bought my first car a few months ago.

I went with the Grand i10 nios sportz AMT despite having a budget of 15 lacs. Here are the reasons:
  • Didn't want to go with a Maruti because of the thin sheet metal and the poor quality interiors. Even if you knock on the metal on a swift, the sound is uninspiring.
  • The cars a segment above (compact crossovers like Venue, Ecosport) were like 14 lacs and I didn't feel like they offered enough to justify the cost.
  • Got a good discount on the nios (65k)
  • Hatchbacks are best to drive in Bangalore. Bigger cars are more of a hinderance than a boon in traffic, road presence be damned.
  • The CVTs just feel weird to me in terms of throttle input to acceleration. AMT on the i10 nios on the other hand feels pretty responsive to me.
  • I'd honestly have loved a TC car. But the only TC car around is the Ecosport, which is 14.3 lakhs on road in Bangalore.
  • The polo GT TSI is another excellent consideration, except the interior feels very dated. If Volkswagen will just announce the new polo in India, that would have been the car I would have bought.

Since you are a new driver too, I'd suggest to not spend too much money. Get a cheap, compact car and enjoy it. The next time when you upgrade in a few years you'll know what to buy and more importantly will appreciate it.
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I would say look at the Jazz VX CVT and the Polo GT TSI. A Jazz would undercut your budget by a lac or 2 and still be very roomy and solid. The Polo is even more solid, the old 1.2 was a lot better than the Jazz motor (but I do not know how the 1.0 is), but is a bit more expensive, worse equipped, and despite actually being longer, has worse cabin space. I suggest you drive those two and add them to your list. The Hyundais and Marutis are not nearly as well built.
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With all due respect, I definitely find this to be an exaggeration. Automatic gearboxes are quite smart now and it's more likely that a novice or lazy driver will not bother with downshifting in a manual when traffic slows down or when he/she encounters a pothole..
I'm sorry but perhaps not enough people notice this as I do because I see it happening every single day. Definitely people in manual cars also make many many mistakes, but an experienced driver in a manual is less prone to jam up traffic. At the end of the day, no matter how "smart" automatics become, they are not radar, lidar or camera guided so they are almost always guaranteed not to give you the right amount of drive when left in automatic mode in the city.
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Hi Dhruv, After going through your thread, I would recommend you to stay away from Manuals because well you stay in Bangalore. I am personally not at all a fan of AMTs and feel they still have that jerkiness in abundance hence would stay away from one. Moreover, being a consumer, I do not feel feasible spending on a low quality tranny built for budget vehicles.

Now, regarding the DCTs. It all depends on your running, if the same is limited and you keep engaging your GB to N Mode when you're on a signal for more than 40 seconds, it will be fine as it gives the Transmission a cool down time though still being your first car, be confident about your purchase.

The Torque Converters and CVTs are your best bet and quite a few options are there in your budget. Again, would recommend avoiding Maruti Suzuki completely due to their sub standard build quality and lazy 4 speed 80s gearbox. I will simply recommend you Amaze.

A Jack of All and master of none, it fits your requirements perfectly. The car is decent looking, the drive is nice with the butter smooth CVT and is fairly well equipped as well. Yes! The quality is not par Hyundai but it's a reliable work horse which will keep you happy. Moreover, being a Honda, maintenance costs will be pretty reasonable. I don't think in a market like Bangalore where thanks to the taxes, there will be a more value for money offering than the Amaze.

Also, it's a good decision to go for a new car as the same would be your primary and only vehicle in your home and you're new in the market hence a new car always makes sense.

I am not sure how much flexible are you with your budget hence not recommending vehicles beyond your mentioned figure. If you could be a little more clear it will be easier for all of us to suggest you something better.
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If you want good build quality and a fairly safe car, don't look at Maruti or Honda. Their cars aren't build good and aren't safe. Honda makes good cars, but only the expensive ones are good. Even Honda City has sad build quality. CRV, Civic, etc are great!
Other than the Brezza from Maruti stable, i won't put my safety in any car from that company. Remember, this is a company which stopped sending cars to NCAP after the NCAP head challenger Maruti to make safe cars. And Maruti cars aren't cheap either, they're almost neck to neck in terms of pricing with other companies' pricing.


If you plan to use it in bumper to bumper traffic, i suggest you go for a diesel vehicle as it will be easier on pocket. Brezza Diesel AMT seems like a good choice. If you can find one still being sold in the showroom, then it can be registered before 31st March. That should be a good option.
If not, Tata Nexon diesel AMT, Ford Ecosport automatic, i20 CVT, etc are great choices too.
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There's a new(old) automatic polo coming with a torque converter gearbox and a turbocharged engine, torque converters are very reliable and fast as well, my friend who works at VW has driven the car and told me that the gearbox is very quick. Testing has been done as well and there are no issues with the gearbox-engine combo.

Regarding service cost being high, i own a polo myself and the service bill hasn't crossed 8k till now, there's a way to save some bucks during service by opting out of unnecessary stuff.
You have 4 years of standard warranty which you can increase further, nill depp insurance which goes till 7 years. So don't worry about maintenance cost. With service schedule being 1 year or 15000 kilometres, you have to pay only once a year.

With polo you'll get a compact hatch, very good handling, good ergonomics and a very solid build quality. Moreover you 'll get android auto/apple car play with decent sound system. The new polo will be supposedly cheaper as well due to deletion of dsg gearbox.

Only thing which other manufacturers have over polo is network, volkswagen has limited service centers, but you living in banglore won't face this issue.
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Hi Dhruv, I have been going through all the postings and really appreciate the eagerness of forum members to suggest you a car that will be useful for your purposes. Now everyone has his/her priorities and those get reflected in the recommendations.

I suggest you to prepare checklist with maximum positive ticks before you finalise your decision.

You are a new driver - choose one which is having a compact size, good alround visibility from cabin, nimble and easy to drive and park.

Need auto transmission - choose CVT or AT, donot go for any other option as those might need higher attention from you.

Family /office car and mostly in city use - compact sedan or hatchback.

Budget 11 lakhs - try to go for top model of whatever brand you choose with usable features.

Interior - since Bangalore is famous for traffic congestion, you need to stay fresh; choose a car with good refreshing interior and comfort creatures. A good sound system will be a bonus!

Engine - choose proven engine with better low end torque for ease of driving in stop and go traffic, that means good torque at lower rpm.

Novelty and peace of mind - Choose a latest model from a reputed brand with good service back-up.

Safety - Options are limited on safety rating, except Tata and Ford.

Fuel efficiency - try to limit your carbon footprint as low as possible. Choose an efficient vehicle.

My 2 cents; if I were you, I would have chosen Grand i10 Nios Sports AMT.
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