loss in bass

kooldude · 6th June 2006, 22:59

hi guys
i recently installed a pio 4850 hu and am happy with the sound it is good but i feel a loss in bass because when i used to run it in my cassette player it was way much. MY speakers are jbl cs 496 rear and gto 506 front.
Audio gurus help

Sam Kapasi · 6th June 2006, 23:13

From what i gather, you feel you had more bass with your earlier casette based HU and after putting your 4850 you feel that you have low bass.
This sounds a little strange. I would put it down to a bad installation.

To be sure, the rear speakers are wired out of phase. Here's a simple test:-

Reverse the wires on ONE speaker only (Connect the + into the - and vice versa)
Remember on ONE speaker, left or right. And then sit and listen to your music in the car again. If the bass is back, your speakers were out of phase.

Bass&Trouble · 6th June 2006, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Remember on ONE speaker, left or right. And then sit and listen to your music in the car again. If the bass is back, your speakers were out of phase.

And if the sound does improve, you need to clobber your installer over the head for...

1. getting such a simple thing wrong.

2. not being able to realize that it was wrong after the install was done. I assume he must have atleast heard it once after he was through.

amit_sound · 6th June 2006, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Reverse the wires on ONE speaker only (Connect the + into the - and vice versa)
Remember on ONE speaker, left or right. And then sit and listen to your music in the car again. If the bass is back, your speakers were out of phase.

Thats called a expert suggestion!!!! Simple....

Rehaan · 7th June 2006, 10:13

Kooldude,

If it isnt a problem with the phase, how about just turning up the Bass setting on your HU ?

cya
R

low_bass_makker · 7th June 2006, 10:17

I was thinking before but hate to write this head also has a LPF . It might e switched on also................

jkdas · 7th June 2006, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

I was thinking before but hate to write this head also has a LPF . It might e switched on also................

good point low_bass_makker

Sam Kapasi · 7th June 2006, 12:17

Yeah LBM, Thats a good point. Ok so where is kooldude? We're waiting to hear what happened.

kooldude · 22nd June 2006, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

From what i gather, you feel you had more bass with your earlier casette based HU and after putting your 4850 you feel that you have low bass.
This sounds a little strange. I would put it down to a bad installation.

To be sure, the rear speakers are wired out of phase. Here's a simple test:-

Reverse the wires on ONE speaker only (Connect the + into the - and vice versa)
Remember on ONE speaker, left or right. And then sit and listen to your music in the car again. If the bass is back, your speakers were out of phase.

sam i tried this out but it did not work
need help again guys

speedzak · 22nd June 2006, 18:01

Tried switching off the HPF, LPF etc...?
Check with different EQ settings.
Turned LOUD on?
See if all your speakers are working. Did your installer cut any speaker wires or damage any speakers accidenatlly?

iraghava · 22nd June 2006, 18:08

Read the thread for more suggestions already given by LBM, Speedzak & Rehaan

Quote:

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

I was thinking before but hate to write this head also has a LPF . It might e switched on also................

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rehaan

Kooldude,

If it isnt a problem with the phase, how about just turning up the Bass setting on your HU ?

cya
R

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

Tried switching off the HPF, LPF etc...?
Check with different EQ settings.
Turned LOUD on?
See if all your speakers are working. Did your installer cut any speaker wires or damage any speakers accidenatlly?

kooldude · 22nd June 2006, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by iraghava

Read the thread for more suggestions already given by LBM, Speedzak & Rehaan

me and rehaan both tried everything out but nothing was in my favour

low_bass_makker · 22nd June 2006, 22:06

try running this track
http://rapidshare.de/files/23800309/..._Test.wma.html
in this track first the sound will be of in phase u should hear bass and later out of phase no bass should be there. Play it and tell what happes....

Rehaan · 23rd June 2006, 13:43

Hey guys,

As kooldude says, we had stopped by on our way back from the alibaug meet to see if we could figure out what was causing the "loss in bass" problem.

There was no LPF on his HU, just a HPF, which was off.

His head unit had +/- settings for freqs like 40Hz, 60Hz, 85Hz, 120Hz, BUT the weird thing was that if you increased one to +3 all would increase to +3

so dont know if that was just some pioneer tactic, or i was doing somethign wrong.

Personally i felt that the bass was sufficient for a HU + 4spkr setup, but i guess kooldude feels it is less since he has moved from an alpine HU to a pioneer which might not have the same punch and low down refinement as the alpine ??

cya
R

jkdas · 23rd June 2006, 13:55

If alls fine, then, maybe he needs to check out similar setups with Pio and Alpine HU. There would be difference in teh way a HU delivers andit varies with different company HU and models.

6th June 2006, 22:59	#1
kooldude BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Charlotte,North Carolina Posts: 282 Thanked: 0 Times	loss in bass hi guys i recently installed a pio 4850 hu and am happy with the sound it is good but i feel a loss in bass because when i used to run it in my cassette player it was way much. MY speakers are jbl cs 496 rear and gto 506 front. Audio gurus help
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6th June 2006, 23:13	#2
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	From what i gather, you feel you had more bass with your earlier casette based HU and after putting your 4850 you feel that you have low bass. This sounds a little strange. I would put it down to a bad installation. To be sure, the rear speakers are wired out of phase. Here's a simple test:- Reverse the wires on ONE speaker only (Connect the + into the - and vice versa) Remember on ONE speaker, left or right. And then sit and listen to your music in the car again. If the bass is back, your speakers were out of phase.
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7th June 2006, 10:13	#5
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,222 Thanked: 36,186 Times	Kooldude, If it isnt a problem with the phase, how about just turning up the Bass setting on your HU ? cya R
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7th June 2006, 10:17	#6
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,813 Thanked: 306 Times View My Garage	I was thinking before but hate to write this head also has a LPF . It might e switched on also................
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7th June 2006, 12:17	#8
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	Yeah LBM, Thats a good point. Ok so where is kooldude? We're waiting to hear what happened.
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22nd June 2006, 18:01	#10
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,346 Thanked: 29 Times	Tried switching off the HPF, LPF etc...? Check with different EQ settings. Turned LOUD on? See if all your speakers are working. Did your installer cut any speaker wires or damage any speakers accidenatlly?
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22nd June 2006, 22:06	#13
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,813 Thanked: 306 Times View My Garage	try running this track http://rapidshare.de/files/23800309/..._Test.wma.html in this track first the sound will be of in phase u should hear bass and later out of phase no bass should be there. Play it and tell what happes.... Last edited by Rehaan : 23rd June 2006 at 13:37.
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23rd June 2006, 13:43	#14
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,222 Thanked: 36,186 Times	Hey guys, As kooldude says, we had stopped by on our way back from the alibaug meet to see if we could figure out what was causing the "loss in bass" problem. There was no LPF on his HU, just a HPF, which was off. His head unit had +/- settings for freqs like 40Hz, 60Hz, 85Hz, 120Hz, BUT the weird thing was that if you increased one to +3 all would increase to +3 so dont know if that was just some pioneer tactic, or i was doing somethign wrong. Personally i felt that the bass was sufficient for a HU + 4spkr setup, but i guess kooldude feels it is less since he has moved from an alpine HU to a pioneer which might not have the same punch and low down refinement as the alpine ?? cya R
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23rd June 2006, 13:55	#15
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,685 Thanked: 1,497 Times View My Garage	If alls fine, then, maybe he needs to check out similar setups with Pio and Alpine HU. There would be difference in teh way a HU delivers andit varies with different company HU and models.
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