Fine tuning my ICE

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 18:18

Hey all,

I need some help in reinstalling my ICE.
I have following ICE:
Pioneer DEH- 6950 IB Head unit
Pioneer GM X354 4 channel Amp
Kenwood W3003 4ohm 600 watt sub
Pioneer TS-A6987 4 ohm 6"x9" Rear Speakers
Pioneer TS 20 tweeters

All these are already installed but I am not happy with the installation. The guy has installed it with some cheap brand of wires.

Pls help me choose good RCAs and wiring kit for the same. Also the speakers and sub are in individual enclosures. I am planning to go for a good enclosure for sub and install the speaker on a try. Pls suggest.

I have gone through some posts and have found that Scosche's RCA and wiring kit are good.

greenhorn · 17th January 2009, 18:33

the problem is , you have bad speakeritis, or fake speakeritis ( definite possiblity ) and earwax liberating treble-itis.

prescription-
lose the tweeters
lose the 6x9's
what about the fronts? judging by the rest of your system, some sort of 6" pioneer in front. lose that too

and most importantly, LOSE THE INSTALLER. You've spent enough money on the wrong things already.

get some proper 6" comps, for the front and 6" coax for the rear ( should cost ~10k)

go to a good installer ( check with the bangy bhpians for recommendations) , and let him unpimp your car

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 18:48

Thats true greenhorn.. I have a BAD ICE...

Reason: This setup was there in my bro's car loong back.. i guess 2002.. and transferred the same to my car with only HU upgrade..

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 18:51

Budget is a big constraint as i recently spend about 35-40 k for FFE and tires upgrade.

my plans were as follows:

1. I guess the amp is outdated. So get a new 2 channel amp only for sub.
2. Get rid of tweeters and get a component for front.
3. Change the RCAs and speaker wiring kit.
4. Get a new enclosure for Existing Sub
5. Transfer the existing speakers to tray.

Pls comment.

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 18:56

Do you feel the amp can be dragged for some more time..??

can some1 pls explain me the disadvantages of 6x9 rear speakers.. till now i did not count that in my upgrade list.

what my guesses were: Punch in sub at higher volume missing because of either outdated amp, wiring or probably the enclosure(currently local made enclosure used)

greenhorn · 17th January 2009, 19:00

yes. the 6x9's can stay for some more time. If you are buying new, THEN there is no need to spend on 6x9's , since you have a sub, 6"ers will do fine
you need some good comps , preferably 6" in front. You'll be amazed at the improvement in sound quality
the only thing that needs to go urgently in the car is the TS 20's
everything else will do fine for now. the kit and eveything else is secondary. they cant make bad speakers sound good

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 19:08

a little relief with that reply..
the ts 20 will be out by tomorrow..

but what do i do with them? put them on classified? i paid 2000 for them last year :(

pls suggest me good components.. not expensive, decently priced but do not want to compromise on SQ this time.

greenhorn · 17th January 2009, 19:12

sell them back to some installer , so that they can find their next victim

I'd suggest you set apart some more money for the rework(apart from the speaker budget) . I think your power wiring might need some help, and the whole setup in general - cant say for sure , which needs someone to check out personally - i mean, the stuff might all be there , but not put together right. My car used to be like that too once upon a time

what sort of music do you like ?

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenhorn

sell them back to some installer , so that they can find their next victim

I'd suggest you set apart some more money for the rework(apart from the speaker budget) . I think your power wiring might need some help, and the whole setup in general - cant say for sure , which needs someone to check out personally - i mean, the stuff might all be there , but not put together right. My car used to be like that too once upon a time

what sort of music do you like ?

I dont listen to trance and stuff.. just a few hindi and punjabi numbers.. but i like songs with a bit bass...

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenhorn

I think your power wiring might need some help, and the whole setup in general - cant say for sure , which needs someone to check out personally - i mean, the stuff might all be there , but not put together right.

Do you any fellow BHPian from bangalore who can help mw with this.

greenhorn · 17th January 2009, 19:26

I'd say, try the new GTO series 6" comps then

a good installer should also be able to help you with this. shop around and do let us know what your options are

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 19:46

how about JBL GTO 607c? there's one in the classified too..for 4k.. but ppl say we can get a new 607c for 4k..

greenhorn · 17th January 2009, 19:49

I'd say buy new. most installers dont do pure reinstallation work. you might need to buy a thing or two from them

and the 608's are supposed to sound much better than the 607's

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 19:57

thanks for the suggestions... will check out the prices for 608 and get back...

zerocritical · 17th January 2009, 22:33

greenhorn, I was reading another topic on components where you had explained the comps and coaxs very well.

After reading your other posts, I am planning for something like this:
Existing 6x9s moved to tray and driven by HU.
Existing Sub moved to a properly designed ported box.
Getting 6" 2 Way components for front of which woofer goes to door and tweeter to pillar.
Sub and component are connected by amp.
Changing the RCAs and speaker wires.

Pls tell if a coax sounds better in a box or on a tray?

I probably feel that 608s should come for something around 6k and the RCAs and wiring kit for 2k. How much would a tray and a ported box cost? my budget is around 8-10k, so i guess all this would fit in my budget.

17th January 2009, 18:18	#1
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Fine tuning my ICE Hey all, I need some help in reinstalling my ICE. I have following ICE: Pioneer DEH- 6950 IB Head unit Pioneer GM X354 4 channel Amp Kenwood W3003 4ohm 600 watt sub Pioneer TS-A6987 4 ohm 6"x9" Rear Speakers Pioneer TS 20 tweeters All these are already installed but I am not happy with the installation. The guy has installed it with some cheap brand of wires. Pls help me choose good RCAs and wiring kit for the same. Also the speakers and sub are in individual enclosures. I am planning to go for a good enclosure for sub and install the speaker on a try. Pls suggest. I have gone through some posts and have found that Scosche's RCA and wiring kit are good.
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17th January 2009, 18:33	#2
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,840 Thanked: 4,728 Times View My Garage	the problem is , you have bad speakeritis, or fake speakeritis ( definite possiblity ) and earwax liberating treble-itis. prescription- lose the tweeters lose the 6x9's what about the fronts? judging by the rest of your system, some sort of 6" pioneer in front. lose that too and most importantly, LOSE THE INSTALLER. You've spent enough money on the wrong things already. get some proper 6" comps, for the front and 6" coax for the rear ( should cost ~10k) go to a good installer ( check with the bangy bhpians for recommendations) , and let him unpimp your car
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17th January 2009, 18:48	#3
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Thats true greenhorn.. I have a BAD ICE... Reason: This setup was there in my bro's car loong back.. i guess 2002.. and transferred the same to my car with only HU upgrade..
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17th January 2009, 18:51	#4
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Budget is a big constraint as i recently spend about 35-40 k for FFE and tires upgrade. my plans were as follows: 1. I guess the amp is outdated. So get a new 2 channel amp only for sub. 2. Get rid of tweeters and get a component for front. 3. Change the RCAs and speaker wiring kit. 4. Get a new enclosure for Existing Sub 5. Transfer the existing speakers to tray. Pls comment.
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17th January 2009, 18:56	#5
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Do you feel the amp can be dragged for some more time..?? can some1 pls explain me the disadvantages of 6x9 rear speakers.. till now i did not count that in my upgrade list. what my guesses were: Punch in sub at higher volume missing because of either outdated amp, wiring or probably the enclosure(currently local made enclosure used)
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17th January 2009, 19:00	#6
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,840 Thanked: 4,728 Times View My Garage	yes. the 6x9's can stay for some more time. If you are buying new, THEN there is no need to spend on 6x9's , since you have a sub, 6"ers will do fine you need some good comps , preferably 6" in front. You'll be amazed at the improvement in sound quality the only thing that needs to go urgently in the car is the TS 20's everything else will do fine for now. the kit and eveything else is secondary. they cant make bad speakers sound good
	() Thanks

17th January 2009, 19:08	#7
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	a little relief with that reply.. the ts 20 will be out by tomorrow.. but what do i do with them? put them on classified? i paid 2000 for them last year :( pls suggest me good components.. not expensive, decently priced but do not want to compromise on SQ this time.
	() Thanks

17th January 2009, 19:12	#8
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,840 Thanked: 4,728 Times View My Garage	sell them back to some installer , so that they can find their next victim I'd suggest you set apart some more money for the rework(apart from the speaker budget) . I think your power wiring might need some help, and the whole setup in general - cant say for sure , which needs someone to check out personally - i mean, the stuff might all be there , but not put together right. My car used to be like that too once upon a time what sort of music do you like ?
	() Thanks

17th January 2009, 19:26	#11
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,840 Thanked: 4,728 Times View My Garage	I'd say, try the new GTO series 6" comps then a good installer should also be able to help you with this. shop around and do let us know what your options are Last edited by greenhorn : 17th January 2009 at 19:27.
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17th January 2009, 19:46	#12
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	how about JBL GTO 607c? there's one in the classified too..for 4k.. but ppl say we can get a new 607c for 4k..
	() Thanks

17th January 2009, 19:49	#13
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,840 Thanked: 4,728 Times View My Garage	I'd say buy new. most installers dont do pure reinstallation work. you might need to buy a thing or two from them and the 608's are supposed to sound much better than the 607's
	() Thanks

17th January 2009, 19:57	#14
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	thanks for the suggestions... will check out the prices for 608 and get back...
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17th January 2009, 22:33	#15
zerocritical BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 302 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	greenhorn, I was reading another topic on components where you had explained the comps and coaxs very well. After reading your other posts, I am planning for something like this: Existing 6x9s moved to tray and driven by HU. Existing Sub moved to a properly designed ported box. Getting 6" 2 Way components for front of which woofer goes to door and tweeter to pillar. Sub and component are connected by amp. Changing the RCAs and speaker wires. Pls tell if a coax sounds better in a box or on a tray? I probably feel that 608s should come for something around 6k and the RCAs and wiring kit for 2k. How much would a tray and a ported box cost? my budget is around 8-10k, so i guess all this would fit in my budget. Last edited by zerocritical : 17th January 2009 at 22:34.
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