Accent Viva CRDi Dec '04 - Bid Adieu After 106,063 km.

SS-Traveller · 4th March 2009, 21:49

Missing engine

Should have started this thread some time earlier, but I was posting maintenance reports of my car to another thread - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ms-report.html. However, the last few weeks have seen my Accent require more frequent visits to garages to set things right, although I have never been left stranded on the road.

The latest in the series of troubles faced was today. 7.20 AM, on my way to work 70 km away, the car lost power and started knocking when I had hardly covered 15 km. Instant provisional diagnosis - one cylinder malfunctioning. Immediate apprehension - injector gone. That'll be a big hole in the pocket!

Decided to have the car checked outside, by my old-time mechanic friend. Logic - Injectors are a whole lot more expensive at Hyundai than they are outside.

10 AM: Injectors fine - disconnecting their electrics one at a time left the engine dead. With injector failure, the dead injector being disconnected would have made no difference. Small sigh of relief. Guy says probably a blown head gasket. I agree. Ok, let's open up the head.

The cam cover is removed, and what's that? A broken piece of metal there? Cylinder 3, inlet valve rocker broken in two.

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Diagnosis done, look no further.

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But wait. Something's wrong with the camshaft too. Cylinder 2 inlet cam lobe has damage to it - metal's chewed up.

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The Cyl 2 inlet valve rocker roller also damaged.

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2 rockers and the camshaft replaced. Suspect damage may have been done by incompetent people changing the timing belt at HMP Delhi in end-Jan'09. Can't prove anything.

Total cost: Rs.5000. Genuine Hyundai camshaft = 3000, each genuine rocker = 400, + labour. Would have worked out twice as expensive (or more) if this was done at co. workshop. Car runs like clockwork. I'm happy and home at 3 PM. Bunked work today.

Indian1979 · 4th March 2009, 21:54

Nice to know engine damage can be repaired in such a small amount.

I am not an expert but normally shouldnt one have a complete engine overhaul when you have any engine work done.

Experts: Clarity on this would be nice to know.

sameel · 4th March 2009, 22:11

lucky fellow.

my accent DLS is in for engine work now.. head gasket blown. cylinder needs reboring! since its got rusted due to leak of water into cylinder due to gasket leak!! head also goin to be shaved! hehe. its run 1.5lakh kms now. and its almost 8 yrs old. so its ok

vlaves might need replacement!! injectors too might need replacement!
she will be running with an almost brand new engine after the work.

Eddy · 4th March 2009, 22:26

Dada, we need a more detailed ownership experience please.

Also, from where do you source genuine Hyundai parts ?

SS-Traveller · 4th March 2009, 22:27

On my fourth set of pads now, installed at about 87,000 km. The first set lasted upto 33,000, second set changed at 58,000. The discs were turned also during the recent change. Cost of pads + lathework + labour was Rs.1500. Rear brakes work fine, still have some material on the shoes. Opened and checked. Should last 100,000+ km.

SS-Traveller · 4th March 2009, 22:59

The original equipment Bridgestone tubed tyres lasted for about 56,000 km. I then changed to a set of 4 Infinity tubeless tyres. Discovered major tread damage to two tyres due to a suspected rear wheel misalignment at around 88,000 km, and posted separately to this thread earlier:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ml#post1155029.

Am now on new Bridgestone tubeless on the front axle and Infinity tubeless on the rear axle. Happy with the ride and grip. Cost of the 2 new Bridgestones: Rs.4400, including fitment and balancing.

SS-Traveller · 9th March 2009, 12:17

Mostly noise-free till now. have just noticed a hard noise on braking/accelerating hard. Suspect steering rack or anti-roll bar mounting bushes are gone. Will check it out the coming weekend.

At around 59k km, both the tie-rod ends were changed under warranty.

Rear suspension is riding fine.

I like this suspension setup. Ride quality is not too cushy and soft, but neither is it hard and intrusive. Doesn't transmit all the minor bumps into the cabin, but holds the car well through corners.

SS-Traveller · 11th March 2009, 18:08

This was in July '08, and I was on my way to work, somewhere in rural Gurgaon. A little before 8 AM. Car running as sweetly as ever, 65K on the odo. The engine suddenly cut out. Died. No knocks, no jerks, no hiccups. Just died, and I pulled over to the side of the road. Cranked a few times, no joy - not even a splutter.

Tried to call Hyundai's helpline. No answer. No one picked up the phone. So I decided to wait till the HMP opens. Ten minutes later, I thought of trying to start again. And it did! One turn of the key and the engine fired, settling into a smooth idle again. Perplexed, I started off again. 2 km down the road, the engine died again. And wouldn't start again. This time there was a sharp whine from the rear, somewhere under the rear seat...

supremeBaleno · 11th March 2009, 18:39

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

The original equipment Bridgestone tubed tyres lasted for about 56,000 km.

Whoa !! That is quite some kms done.

I also have OE tubed Bridgestones on my car and at 27K kms they still look good for another 25K kms atleast. Waiting for these to wear off to change to wider tyres. Looks like it is going to be a long wait since my annual running is only 7k kms.

SS-Traveller · 11th March 2009, 18:51

That whine was enough to announce a fuel pump fault. Switch off and let the pump cool off a little, and it would start working again. A few km, and it would fail due to overheating. That seemed fine, and I was carrying an 80k km/4yr warranty, so I was not too concerned. Set off to the workshop, and had the car back in an hour or so with a new pump. Did you check for dirt in the tank? Service advisor: Your tank is absolutely clean, Sir.

And three days later, the same whine from the rear and the engine died on me again. Second trip to HMP Mathura Road...

SS-Traveller · 12th March 2009, 11:18

Back to HMP I went. This time it was a quick turn-around - half an hour and I was out. Sir, a connection was loose. Five km from the workshop, the engine dies again. Back to the workshop, and I really blow my fuse. GM Services turns up to find out what happened. Fuel pump taken out and replaced - again (free of cost). Tank inspected and found to be really dirty - cleaned for Rs.400, but not to my satisfaction.

Why couldn't they check this the first time when I asked? Why was I bluffed to, the second time, about a loose connection?

Went back to my regular mechanic outside and had the tank re-cleaned. Never had the problem again in the last 25k km.

One interesting offshoot of this incident. HMP insisted the muck came from using XtraMile diesel, and that Hyundai recommends normal diesel. I checked with someone in Toyota too, and they recommend normal diesel too.

headers · 13th May 2009, 10:21

Thats a nice log you've got.. Whats your current Mileage?

SS-Traveller · 13th May 2009, 13:36

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Originally Posted by headers

Thats a nice log you've got.. Whats your current Mileage?

Current mileage is 92.5k km. Small niggling noises coming up from the suspension. Will have them attended to this week, prior to taking the car to Pune next week.

SS-Traveller · 15th May 2009, 19:58

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

...have just noticed a hard noise on braking/accelerating hard. Suspect steering rack or anti-roll bar mounting bushes are gone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Small niggling noises coming up from the suspension. Will have them attended to this week...

Strange are the ways of car mechanics!

That hard noise (a kind of 'khut') from somewhere below my feet had been there for the last couple of months, and it occurred on hard braking or hard acceleration. No noise over potholes or rough roads (which rules out rack/tie-rod end/anti-roll bar bushes). No noise on accelerating with full steering lock (rules out driveshaft noise). Could be struts - all tight there, no oil leaks, no damping loss. HMP told me to leave the car for a day (or two) to diagnose the noise. Couldn't do that for some time now due to a lot of other commitments. Took it to one of my regular mechanics last weekend. He told me he'd have to strip the whole suspension/steering setup to find out the source. Naah!

Took the car today to another of my regular mechanics. He was also convinced like me, that the suspension/steering need not be opened up straight away. We spent about 2 and a half hours diagnosing the noise.

Finally, all it took was straightening of the engine shield (the underbody sump protection plate, aka the bash plate) and tightening the engine mounts.

Voila! Noise gone...

Running smooth as ever now.

Deeps · 15th May 2009, 23:34

@SS: Why dont you just stick to one mechanic/workshop?

4yr/80K warranty is impressive.

4th March 2009, 21:49	#1
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	Accent Viva CRDi Dec '04 - Bid Adieu After 106,063 km. Missing engine Should have started this thread some time earlier, but I was posting maintenance reports of my car to another thread - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ms-report.html. However, the last few weeks have seen my Accent require more frequent visits to garages to set things right, although I have never been left stranded on the road. The latest in the series of troubles faced was today. 7.20 AM, on my way to work 70 km away, the car lost power and started knocking when I had hardly covered 15 km. Instant provisional diagnosis - one cylinder malfunctioning. Immediate apprehension - injector gone. That'll be a big hole in the pocket! Decided to have the car checked outside, by my old-time mechanic friend. Logic - Injectors are a whole lot more expensive at Hyundai than they are outside. 10 AM: Injectors fine - disconnecting their electrics one at a time left the engine dead. With injector failure, the dead injector being disconnected would have made no difference. Small sigh of relief. Guy says probably a blown head gasket. I agree. Ok, let's open up the head. The cam cover is removed, and what's that? A broken piece of metal there? Cylinder 3, inlet valve rocker broken in two. Diagnosis done, look no further. But wait. Something's wrong with the camshaft too. Cylinder 2 inlet cam lobe has damage to it - metal's chewed up. The Cyl 2 inlet valve rocker roller also damaged. 2 rockers and the camshaft replaced. Suspect damage may have been done by incompetent people changing the timing belt at HMP Delhi in end-Jan'09. Can't prove anything. Total cost: Rs.5000. Genuine Hyundai camshaft = 3000, each genuine rocker = 400, + labour. Would have worked out twice as expensive (or more) if this was done at co. workshop. Car runs like clockwork. I'm happy and home at 3 PM. Bunked work today. Last edited by SS-Traveller : 4th March 2009 at 21:52.
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4th March 2009, 21:54	#2
Indian1979 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 44 Thanked: 2 Times	Nice to know engine damage can be repaired in such a small amount. I am not an expert but normally shouldnt one have a complete engine overhaul when you have any engine work done. Experts: Clarity on this would be nice to know.
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4th March 2009, 22:11	#3
sameel BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: cochin Posts: 268 Thanked: 3 Times	lucky fellow. my accent DLS is in for engine work now.. head gasket blown. cylinder needs reboring! since its got rusted due to leak of water into cylinder due to gasket leak!! head also goin to be shaved! hehe. its run 1.5lakh kms now. and its almost 8 yrs old. so its ok vlaves might need replacement!! injectors too might need replacement! she will be running with an almost brand new engine after the work.
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4th March 2009, 22:26	#4
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,574 Thanked: 14,582 Times	Dada, we need a more detailed ownership experience please. Also, from where do you source genuine Hyundai parts ?
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4th March 2009, 22:27	#5
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	The Brakes On my fourth set of pads now, installed at about 87,000 km. The first set lasted upto 33,000, second set changed at 58,000. The discs were turned also during the recent change. Cost of pads + lathework + labour was Rs.1500. Rear brakes work fine, still have some material on the shoes. Opened and checked. Should last 100,000+ km.
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4th March 2009, 22:59	#6
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	The Tyres The original equipment Bridgestone tubed tyres lasted for about 56,000 km. I then changed to a set of 4 Infinity tubeless tyres. Discovered major tread damage to two tyres due to a suspected rear wheel misalignment at around 88,000 km, and posted separately to this thread earlier: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ml#post1155029. Am now on new Bridgestone tubeless on the front axle and Infinity tubeless on the rear axle. Happy with the ride and grip. Cost of the 2 new Bridgestones: Rs.4400, including fitment and balancing. Last edited by SS-Traveller : 4th March 2009 at 23:00.
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9th March 2009, 12:17	#7
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	The suspension Mostly noise-free till now. have just noticed a hard noise on braking/accelerating hard. Suspect steering rack or anti-roll bar mounting bushes are gone. Will check it out the coming weekend. At around 59k km, both the tie-rod ends were changed under warranty. Rear suspension is riding fine. I like this suspension setup. Ride quality is not too cushy and soft, but neither is it hard and intrusive. Doesn't transmit all the minor bumps into the cabin, but holds the car well through corners.
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11th March 2009, 18:08	#8
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	The first day I was stranded... This was in July '08, and I was on my way to work, somewhere in rural Gurgaon. A little before 8 AM. Car running as sweetly as ever, 65K on the odo. The engine suddenly cut out. Died. No knocks, no jerks, no hiccups. Just died, and I pulled over to the side of the road. Cranked a few times, no joy - not even a splutter. Tried to call Hyundai's helpline. No answer. No one picked up the phone. So I decided to wait till the HMP opens. Ten minutes later, I thought of trying to start again. And it did! One turn of the key and the engine fired, settling into a smooth idle again. Perplexed, I started off again. 2 km down the road, the engine died again. And wouldn't start again. This time there was a sharp whine from the rear, somewhere under the rear seat...
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11th March 2009, 18:51	#10
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	...and why I was stranded. That whine was enough to announce a fuel pump fault. Switch off and let the pump cool off a little, and it would start working again. A few km, and it would fail due to overheating. That seemed fine, and I was carrying an 80k km/4yr warranty, so I was not too concerned. Set off to the workshop, and had the car back in an hour or so with a new pump. Did you check for dirt in the tank? Service advisor: Your tank is absolutely clean, Sir. And three days later, the same whine from the rear and the engine died on me again. Second trip to HMP Mathura Road...
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12th March 2009, 11:18	#11
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,765 Times View My Garage	Second visit to HMP - and a third. Back to HMP I went. This time it was a quick turn-around - half an hour and I was out. Sir, a connection was loose. Five km from the workshop, the engine dies again. Back to the workshop, and I really blow my fuse. GM Services turns up to find out what happened. Fuel pump taken out and replaced - again (free of cost). Tank inspected and found to be really dirty - cleaned for Rs.400, but not to my satisfaction. Why couldn't they check this the first time when I asked? Why was I bluffed to, the second time, about a loose connection? Went back to my regular mechanic outside and had the tank re-cleaned. Never had the problem again in the last 25k km. One interesting offshoot of this incident. HMP insisted the muck came from using XtraMile diesel, and that Hyundai recommends normal diesel. I checked with someone in Toyota too, and they recommend normal diesel too.
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13th May 2009, 10:21	#12
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 564 Times	Thats a nice log you've got.. Whats your current Mileage?
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15th May 2009, 23:34	#15
Deeps Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 1,119 Thanked: 170 Times	@SS: Why dont you just stick to one mechanic/workshop? 4yr/80K warranty is impressive.
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