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Originally Posted by ashwinprakas Going through your post I understand that you have only given thought to the visual elements of the motorcycle. |
Mate per you the blatant copying of body design of various models of Rolls Royce, Bentley, Range Rover, BMW(including motorcycles), Mercedes Benz, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. by Chinese manufacturers is OK. R&D costs, man-hours, designers who put their blood and sweat into designing, etc. be damned. Wow.
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Now the motorcycle consumer would come in different shapes and sizes with varying knowledge about motorcycles and what not, some may opt for a particular model based on its looks whereas some would go for it based on its specifications on paper then again the less informed or rather less interested would go for a particular motorcycles merely for its perceived value not because he/she actually wants to ride but because of the value addition perceived to be gained when seen riding the said motorcycle.
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No wonder the Chinese consumers love the blatant rip offs of the above mentioned brands. Are they less informed or have no knowledge about the particular model they're buying, I don't think so mate. BTW they also have a rip off of Bajaj Pulsar being sold there. Looking at your above statements it is clear why they have surpassed USA as the biggest automobile market. Little to no R&D in designing while churning out cars and motorcycles by gazillions while doing reverse engineering. Consumers are happy buying copies/rip offs or "inspired" by designs, manufacturers are happy selling copies of iconic models, economy is booming, etc. etc. Ethics, What Ethics?
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So thinking of the Rokk or whatever the manufacturer would like to call it, from a visual element it does strongly take from the KTM's no second thoughts about it, though a good look at the Rokk would tell you that similarities end with perception and actually swapping components between the motorcycles would not be possible due to obvious differences in component design, mount points and size proportions, and then there is the motor! Sure it does say 200cc but any motorcyclist worth their salt would say that it is nothing even remotely close to a high compression short stroke DOHC LC'd setup as the KTM's, so it doesn't really make sense to say that this motorcycle is a "blatant rip-off" of the KTM's, rather it would be best to say that the visual design elements have been inspired by the KTM's because in reality you could only swap components between the motorcycles such as foot pegs, grab rails etc without compromising functionality.
On a different yet similar thought, UM has a few models up their sleeve that run off a motor strikingly similar to that of the 223cc Honda CRF230 unit on the Hero Honda Karizma, similarities go to such extents that working components can be swapped among the two without any compromise in functionality, now what would you say about that? As for me I would still stick with "inspired" cause to be a rip off you would need to actually be able to interchange a higher percentage of components considering the whole package and the motor is just part of the package.
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This is hilarious mate. I saw a similar mod job/rip-off "inspired" by design. See link:
https://www.financialexpress.com/aut...l-too/1159468/
Fuel tank, tool box, seat, etc copied err "inspired" from Royal Enfield and pasted on Kawasaki Bajaj 4S champion. I am sure there is a market for this too. Ethics, well who cares?
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A knock-off is a knock-off irrespective of similarities, but then again if I have a particular liking for a 'Citizen' and if the pricing doesn't seem reasonable then I could opt for a 'HMT' of a similar movement, because as far as practical functionality goes it would be more or less the same while not risking the plethora of problems if I go for an actual knock-off which goes by the name 'City-Zen'.
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Mate the fact remains HMT manufactures the 0271 Miyota Movement
under license from Citizen Japan. Not just HMT you can look for more watches using the Miyota movement like Invicta, Stuhrling, etc. Interestingly Invicta, Stuhrling, etc. watch designs are rippoff/copy or "inspired" by Rolex Submariner Date Just, Omega Seamaster, etc. I don't think Rokk does so with KTM, at least body design wise. Neither Invicta or Sturhling with regards to Rolex and Omega.
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Though to each his own let us pray that better judgment always prevails.
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I sincerely hope so it does.
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I almost fell off my seat imagining the likelihood of Mr.Sid going through TBhp and seeing your post and giving off the typical Indian smirk. "Challenge our 'Impeccable Standards', eh?" |
Mate which current RE model do you own, if I may ask? Just curious to know.
[quote=ashwinprakas;4428022] Not going off topic speaking about psychology, hence coming back to motorcycles I would like to point out that anything other than the first contraption that ran with a motor between two wheels on which you'd swing your leg over to ride is a copy of something or the other.[/qupte]
The Japanese used to do that during the 50's and early 60's with motorcycles but things changed and they started designing their own "Original" models. UJM was based on some British motorcycles, but soon the Japanese started making their own designs in house and the rest is history.
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A remarkable feat here is that the Pakistani's are able to provide an affordable offering for their customer base, as for the Chinese intervention I hope the people realize that it is the way the game is played be it Rokk, Benelli or even the Jawa.
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Akin to the Royal Indian Bullet eh! which I mentioned above.