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Originally Posted by The Wolf Did I ever say we are using 1955's clutch today? The technology has definitely gotten better but that wouldnt compensate for grave driver error right or mechanical failures due to worn out+tolerance altering abuses right? If you dont believe so, give me your jeep, I will bust your clutch in 15mins flat, wana take a bet? |
That's why we believe in maintenance and as much as possible, replacing the worn out parts. And if you are talking about wear and tear in offroad situations, trust me these jeeps were designed keeping that in mind. Right from world war days. That's what i have understood from knwoledgable people in jeep fraternity.
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Originally Posted by The Wolf I am speaking about a PERFORMANCE clutch. Performance clutches have tolerances set way beyond street and mild off the road. Simply, they can take atleast 25 and max of 200%+ additional load. |
Ok but as far as availability for our offroad vehicles (esp ol WW machines) are concerned, they are not available. So what's the point here? Of raving about technology, tolerance etc of these performance plates.
Dude i have seen enough of those in my times, but unfortunately it doesn't make sense in this 4x4 discussion. The moment you put them into a jeep with bad tolerance or add lil bit of water, they will go bust. Now you wanna take a bet, then i have one for you. Without even moving the vehicle from your parking lot, ill fry those plates off your trophy winning car, 2 launches and some liquids supplements inside the peep hole lol.
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Originally Posted by The Wolf Dont patronize me dude. NO clutch can take abuse without any inherent deterioration, your definition/degree of abuse might vary from mine. Its not about a Jeep or peep in this case. God, Im running out of words, give me better vocabulary . I cant believe you smashing the dead horse open even after reading BD sirs last post, which is sooo conclusive!!! |
Now why would i patronize you?
Point that we were discussing is:
- Offroading we need to avoid half clutch, atleast be open to the idea that we need to re-learn and it aint difficult for humans, as far as i know.
- 4x4 M&M clutch plates are quite durable. They work well in difficult conditions, with a good amount of tolerance for abuse.
- Performance plates on the other hand are for specific usage, where they can take great amount of power. They need perfect setting and tolerance from the other end, otherwise they will perform like a tractor.
BD was very clear in his message, the plates are tough and will last long. As long as you use them properly. The last bit you are trying to play around with, saying it will not last with clutch slip.
This is a relative statement, so understand that they might not last the whole 3.5 Lakh km life, that they are designed for
BUT its anybody's guess to figure out, it might still last longer than a weaker clutch designed for a gypsy.
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Originally Posted by The Wolf I wouldnt have tried so hard if I hadnt cared. Lets be open, civil, scientific and mature, enlightment is just around the corner. |
But I would have replied even if it was hard, coz i would like to understand the truth and not some half baked research. This is not the first time, last time i saw you debating in similar fashion (with your internet info), IIRC with Tejas. Once in a while its good entertainment, but trying to drill irrelevant info to prove your case might not be taken in the right spirits. That's all, nothing personal here.
I know jeep's or peep's are ancient technology, i would still hop on a gypsy if i had to attend another AKC
BUT comm'on dont say that they are flimsy or cant take abuse. They can and definitely will take more
compared to other modern products out there, atleast thats one thing they are good at.
PS: you have got good research skills, excellent language skills and a pretty ok engineering mind set. Please use it in a more neutral fashion and it will benefit you and the whole community of 4x4's. This is my personal observation as a member of this community, if i have offended you in anyway, i would like to make it clear that was not the intention. But then you were also very pushy with your view points.
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Originally Posted by svsantosh Guys - getting very OT here. One question - "Can/should we half clutch any point of time". Answer - "A Big NO" -- All other posts can get into a seperate thread for 'All about a Clutch'. |
As far as my understanding is, unless the situation is so grave that you cant keep the engine turning without clutch, DO NOT use half clutch. If you are stuck, its better to get help, towed out instead of using half clutch for that extra oomph.