Polaris 6x6 ATV Ridden!!

dhawcash · 19th December 2009, 12:01

It was a normal day at college, until a friend came running to me- "ATV Chalana hai??" and i was like " What the...?? kaha hai ATV??".

turned out that there was an event taking place at a farmhouse where we could pay and ride Polaris ATVs.
A quick Decision was made to bunk the remaining classes , and 90 seconds later, we were on our way. (those 90 seconds were spent borrowing money for the ride

)

Getting to the point, we reached the place, and surprise surprise (coz i din expect the ATVs to be Polaris')!! there were TWO Polaris ATVs perching on the sand, looking rather bored. A Polaris Scrambler 500 4x4, and a Military green Sportsman 500 6x6. the money collector guy told us we can ride any one of them on the track they have prepared for one lap. and we would be given training first. One lap of an 8 shaped track, and we were done with that.

Time to choose what to ride. the butch and huge 6x6 was the natural option for the trio of us. my friend vivek went first, with a huge grin plastered on his face. in the mean time, i checked out the scrambler.

It was powered by a 498CC Single Cyl OHV engine.Fueling was by a 40 mm keihin carb (Info as found on the internet) Dunno About the power and torque figures, couldn't find them even on the Polaris Industries website.
the transmission was Automatic ( CVT- as found on Activas).

the rear end had a Solid Axle, meaning no diffrential. Suspension consisted of a single monoshock, with 17 inches of travel .the power to the font wheels went through CV joints, and later found out that there was a Limited Slip diffrential for the front wheels. Front suspension is Mc Pherson struts with 19 inches of travel.

Note the Guard protecting the front CV Joint and Brake assembley from flying stones and NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE marking on the tyres.

PS: the organisers were unable to give me details about the owner, except that he is from Chandigarh. I'm sure he must be a member of Team-BHP, and hope he dont minds me uploading pics of his steeds here.
(more on tyres, the 6x6 and the ride experience later)

beejay · 19th December 2009, 15:13

How much did you pay to ride the same? How long was it for?

sen2009 · 19th December 2009, 16:05

Cool! I have ridden one ATV in Ganpatipule. It was a 4x2 home made atv fitted with Bajaj Scooter engine. The ride was nice, all wheels were out of alignment. So, had to engage offroading skills even on a perfectly dry and hard level tarmac.
This one looks like a real deal.
More info and photos please.

tanwaramit · 19th December 2009, 17:24

where is that 6x6 ATV as mentioned in the thread title ? I am keen to have a look at it. Kindly share the details and pics of that one.

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dhawcash · 19th December 2009, 19:30

here's the big one, the sportsman 500. to give you an idea of it's size, im six feet tall.

it shares it basic platform with the Scrambler, as can be seen in similar suspension and parts, including the engine and transmission. the main differences apart from the extra pair of wheels are the inclusion of a low ratio gear in the transfer case, and the loading trays, which improve it's utility. the front one can carry about 35- 40 KGs, and the rear one is rated at approx 360 KGs.

Here's how the second swing arm is connected. View with the rear loading tray tipped over.
Note the drive to the second Axle is Via Chain. All four wheels stop by the single disk.

More on the riding experience and minor details later...

SirAlec · 19th December 2009, 23:59

It has inboard brakes.

BTW any one know the cost of these and how are these registered.

dhawcash · 20th December 2009, 09:19

the organisers told me approx 7 lakhs.

these are 2004 model ATVs, and cost around 6000$ in the US back then (acc. to google).

These things are not road legal.

And i have a doubt.
What is the criteria for selecting import duty on a vehicle?? is the 108 % import duty applicable even on farm equipment?? or are there other rules for vehicles that would not be driven on public roads??

Does any one know of a source where i can clarify my import/ export duties doubts??

Parm · 20th December 2009, 09:44

4x2
4x4
6x6

you drove them all! now thats something making me buy one of those!

for what purpose the 6x6 has been bought, as a workhorse on a farm? are there any dealers for these ATVs in india or just imported?

Tejas@perioimpl · 20th December 2009, 10:06

Technically, the correct terminology should be 6x4, since the front wheels are not powered. Also, the "6x6" is the workhorse; on a trail the scrambler is more fun. Speaking from experience.
It's not practical to own one in India though. I have a list of dealers and price somewhere, will dig it out and post it. A simple google search should also give you results.

EDIT: @ S.Alec, they are not registered and can't be driven on the road. ALso, around 8 years ago, when i was into these things, they used to start from 2.5 lakhs and above.

dhawcash · 20th December 2009, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Technically, the correct terminology should be 6x4, since the front wheels are not powered. Also, the "6x6" is the workhorse; on a trail the scrambler is more fun. Speaking from experience.
It's not practical to own one in India though.

The sportsman's front wheels are also powered. the system is similar to that of the scrambler. so it can be termed as a 6x6. and yes you are right, on a trail the scrambler would be more fun. would elaborate on this fact in my next post.

dhawcash · 20th December 2009, 18:14

here's how the 6x6 felt like.

The controls were easy. Throttle is thumb operated (similar to the decompression lever of royal enfields) as you need to grip the bars firmly to hang on. the 6x6 has both brakes on the bars. left rear, right front. there is a gear selector lever on the rightside of the fuel tank, and you can select high, low or reverse. these are the controls which the trainer showed me. He left out some , which -unfortunately- i discovered after my ride was over. would discuss them later in the post.

instrumentation was a 60mph/ 100 kmph speedo, digital tachometer and gear indicator.

The engine is started by an ignition key (can also be started by a manual rope tug type starter). The thumb operated throttle feels alien at first, and was a bit hard to modulate ( will take some getting used to). Thumb it, and the 6x6 lurches forward. This thing has plenty of torque.

1st corner, and i turn the bars. nothing happens. This thing understeers like hell. Four diffrential less wheels at the rear are to blame. Let go of throttle, and it slows down immidiately. give some controlled throttle inputs, and it turns. the steering ratio of the bars is not a direct 1:1. felt like some 1.5-1.7:1 to me. u'll need that to improve leverage. slowly getting accustomed, i attack the next corner. The acceleration felt brisk on the sandy track, but would not on a paved surface.

here's me pushing the limits (mine

)

note that Im entering the corner early to leave space for understeer. Wasn't implementing the technique properly though.

on my way frm the clg, i had been daydreamin abt driftin the ATV. Time to realize that dream. as it was an automatic, there was no ques. of powersliding it. so i decided i'll use the rear brakes to get the rear out of line. So gunned it in the next wide corner, and applied the rear brake midcorner, while shiftin bodyweight into the corner. Touched the rear brake lever and bang. Extreme G-Force. It was like hitting a wall. Those 4 tyres really dig in to grip the sand. tremendous grip. So no oversteery moments for the day. Plenty of Understeery moments though. The scrambler would have been more fun in this regard, which i could't ride unfortunately.

After my ride, was checking out the machine closely, and found a all wheel/ rear wheel drive selector switch. also found a push button switch saying Reverse/ Speedo Override. Asked the Guy what it was for, and he explained it is used to counter excessive wheel spin while reversing. As an engineer, i suppose it sends more torque to the front axle. I think pressing it while cornering would make it turn more easily. but couldn't test my theroy....
Apart from that, there were the light switches, and an engine kill switch. high beam was a 55watt H7 halogen, and low beam were 2 halogens. cudn't see the bulbs, so dunno the wattage.

Also, there was a nice touch on the scrambler. the fuel tank lid contained a float operated Fuel guage. Talking of fuel, these things have a 12 litre fuel tank, and can cover around 80 kms on a tank full.

Extra switches on the scrambler for indicators and horn.

Fuel guage on the scrambler.

Low beam

Note the tyres use only 6.5 PSI of air pressure, as compared to an averege 28 PSI of normal vehicles to incraese area of contact and enhance grip.

wish the ride was longer. can spend a day riding these machines...on sand, gravel...over rockey hills....feels like heaven when i dream that...

.anshuman · 20th December 2009, 20:28

The track shown in the pics does not look good enough for ATV, any 2wd Sedan/Hatchback can do it with a lot of entertainment.

dhawcash · 21st December 2009, 08:59

Yes right, but guess it was okay for first time rides, as all people have varying capabilities of controlling machine. ensured a mishap free event.

GTO · 21st December 2009, 14:44

Thoroughly entertaining writeup, Dhawcash. I've always been curious about ATVs. Have heard of how much fun they are to offroad, yet never had a proper long run in any. From your description, this brand of ATVs seem to pack some serious equipment. 7 lakhs is alright considering the American $6000 tag, but until they localise (or atleast assemble here), ATVs will only be rare, rich mans, toys. Heck, 7 lakhs can get you a brand new Gypsy 4x4!

19th December 2009, 12:01	#1
dhawcash BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: jaipur Posts: 125 Thanked: 151 Times	Polaris 6x6 ATV Ridden!! It was a normal day at college, until a friend came running to me- "ATV Chalana hai??" and i was like " What the...?? kaha hai ATV??". turned out that there was an event taking place at a farmhouse where we could pay and ride Polaris ATVs. A quick Decision was made to bunk the remaining classes , and 90 seconds later, we were on our way. (those 90 seconds were spent borrowing money for the ride ) Getting to the point, we reached the place, and surprise surprise (coz i din expect the ATVs to be Polaris')!! there were TWO Polaris ATVs perching on the sand, looking rather bored. A Polaris Scrambler 500 4x4, and a Military green Sportsman 500 6x6. the money collector guy told us we can ride any one of them on the track they have prepared for one lap. and we would be given training first. One lap of an 8 shaped track, and we were done with that. Time to choose what to ride. the butch and huge 6x6 was the natural option for the trio of us. my friend vivek went first, with a huge grin plastered on his face. in the mean time, i checked out the scrambler. It was powered by a 498CC Single Cyl OHV engine.Fueling was by a 40 mm keihin carb (Info as found on the internet) Dunno About the power and torque figures, couldn't find them even on the Polaris Industries website. the transmission was Automatic ( CVT- as found on Activas). the rear end had a Solid Axle, meaning no diffrential. Suspension consisted of a single monoshock, with 17 inches of travel .the power to the font wheels went through CV joints, and later found out that there was a Limited Slip diffrential for the front wheels. Front suspension is Mc Pherson struts with 19 inches of travel. Note the Guard protecting the front CV Joint and Brake assembley from flying stones and NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE marking on the tyres. PS: the organisers were unable to give me details about the owner, except that he is from Chandigarh. I'm sure he must be a member of Team-BHP, and hope he dont minds me uploading pics of his steeds here. (more on tyres, the 6x6 and the ride experience later)
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19th December 2009, 15:13	#2
beejay Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Nilgiris Posts: 1,963 Thanked: 204 Times View My Garage	How much did you pay to ride the same? How long was it for? Last edited by beejay : 19th December 2009 at 15:15.
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19th December 2009, 16:05	#3
sen2009 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 561 Thanked: 729 Times View My Garage	Cool! I have ridden one ATV in Ganpatipule. It was a 4x2 home made atv fitted with Bajaj Scooter engine. The ride was nice, all wheels were out of alignment. So, had to engage offroading skills even on a perfectly dry and hard level tarmac. This one looks like a real deal. More info and photos please.
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19th December 2009, 17:24	#4
tanwaramit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dilwalon ki Dilli Posts: 1,930 Thanked: 497 Times	where is that 6x6 ATV as mentioned in the thread title ? I am keen to have a look at it. Kindly share the details and pics of that one.
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19th December 2009, 19:30	#6
dhawcash BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: jaipur Posts: 125 Thanked: 151 Times	here's the big one, the sportsman 500. to give you an idea of it's size, im six feet tall. it shares it basic platform with the Scrambler, as can be seen in similar suspension and parts, including the engine and transmission. the main differences apart from the extra pair of wheels are the inclusion of a low ratio gear in the transfer case, and the loading trays, which improve it's utility. the front one can carry about 35- 40 KGs, and the rear one is rated at approx 360 KGs. Here's how the second swing arm is connected. View with the rear loading tray tipped over. Note the drive to the second Axle is Via Chain. All four wheels stop by the single disk. More on the riding experience and minor details later...
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19th December 2009, 23:59	#7
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	It has inboard brakes. BTW any one know the cost of these and how are these registered.
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20th December 2009, 09:19	#8
dhawcash BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: jaipur Posts: 125 Thanked: 151 Times	the organisers told me approx 7 lakhs. these are 2004 model ATVs, and cost around 6000$ in the US back then (acc. to google). These things are not road legal. And i have a doubt. What is the criteria for selecting import duty on a vehicle?? is the 108 % import duty applicable even on farm equipment?? or are there other rules for vehicles that would not be driven on public roads?? Does any one know of a source where i can clarify my import/ export duties doubts??
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20th December 2009, 09:44	#9
Parm Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a Toyota! Posts: 2,753 Thanked: 890 Times	4x2 4x4 6x6 you drove them all! now thats something making me buy one of those! for what purpose the 6x6 has been bought, as a workhorse on a farm? are there any dealers for these ATVs in india or just imported? Last edited by Parm : 20th December 2009 at 09:51.
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20th December 2009, 10:06	#10
Tejas@perioimpl Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 4,423 Thanked: 9,582 Times View My Garage	Technically, the correct terminology should be 6x4, since the front wheels are not powered. Also, the "6x6" is the workhorse; on a trail the scrambler is more fun. Speaking from experience. It's not practical to own one in India though. I have a list of dealers and price somewhere, will dig it out and post it. A simple google search should also give you results. EDIT: @ S.Alec, they are not registered and can't be driven on the road. ALso, around 8 years ago, when i was into these things, they used to start from 2.5 lakhs and above. Last edited by Tejas@perioimpl : 20th December 2009 at 10:09. Reason: see edit
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20th December 2009, 18:14	#12
dhawcash BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: jaipur Posts: 125 Thanked: 151 Times	here's how the 6x6 felt like. The controls were easy. Throttle is thumb operated (similar to the decompression lever of royal enfields) as you need to grip the bars firmly to hang on. the 6x6 has both brakes on the bars. left rear, right front. there is a gear selector lever on the rightside of the fuel tank, and you can select high, low or reverse. these are the controls which the trainer showed me. He left out some , which -unfortunately- i discovered after my ride was over. would discuss them later in the post. instrumentation was a 60mph/ 100 kmph speedo, digital tachometer and gear indicator. The engine is started by an ignition key (can also be started by a manual rope tug type starter). The thumb operated throttle feels alien at first, and was a bit hard to modulate ( will take some getting used to). Thumb it, and the 6x6 lurches forward. This thing has plenty of torque. 1st corner, and i turn the bars. nothing happens. This thing understeers like hell. Four diffrential less wheels at the rear are to blame. Let go of throttle, and it slows down immidiately. give some controlled throttle inputs, and it turns. the steering ratio of the bars is not a direct 1:1. felt like some 1.5-1.7:1 to me. u'll need that to improve leverage. slowly getting accustomed, i attack the next corner. The acceleration felt brisk on the sandy track, but would not on a paved surface. here's me pushing the limits (mine ) note that Im entering the corner early to leave space for understeer. Wasn't implementing the technique properly though. on my way frm the clg, i had been daydreamin abt driftin the ATV. Time to realize that dream. as it was an automatic, there was no ques. of powersliding it. so i decided i'll use the rear brakes to get the rear out of line. So gunned it in the next wide corner, and applied the rear brake midcorner, while shiftin bodyweight into the corner. Touched the rear brake lever and bang. Extreme G-Force. It was like hitting a wall. Those 4 tyres really dig in to grip the sand. tremendous grip. So no oversteery moments for the day. Plenty of Understeery moments though. The scrambler would have been more fun in this regard, which i could't ride unfortunately. After my ride, was checking out the machine closely, and found a all wheel/ rear wheel drive selector switch. also found a push button switch saying Reverse/ Speedo Override. Asked the Guy what it was for, and he explained it is used to counter excessive wheel spin while reversing. As an engineer, i suppose it sends more torque to the front axle. I think pressing it while cornering would make it turn more easily. but couldn't test my theroy.... Apart from that, there were the light switches, and an engine kill switch. high beam was a 55watt H7 halogen, and low beam were 2 halogens. cudn't see the bulbs, so dunno the wattage. Also, there was a nice touch on the scrambler. the fuel tank lid contained a float operated Fuel guage. Talking of fuel, these things have a 12 litre fuel tank, and can cover around 80 kms on a tank full. Extra switches on the scrambler for indicators and horn. Fuel guage on the scrambler. Low beam Note the tyres use only 6.5 PSI of air pressure, as compared to an averege 28 PSI of normal vehicles to incraese area of contact and enhance grip. wish the ride was longer. can spend a day riding these machines...on sand, gravel...over rockey hills....feels like heaven when i dream that...
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20th December 2009, 20:28	#13
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	The track shown in the pics does not look good enough for ATV, any 2wd Sedan/Hatchback can do it with a lot of entertainment.
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21st December 2009, 08:59	#14
dhawcash BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: jaipur Posts: 125 Thanked: 151 Times	Yes right, but guess it was okay for first time rides, as all people have varying capabilities of controlling machine. ensured a mishap free event.
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21st December 2009, 14:44	#15
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,548 Thanked: 300,791 Times View My Garage	Thoroughly entertaining writeup, Dhawcash. I've always been curious about ATVs. Have heard of how much fun they are to offroad, yet never had a proper long run in any. From your description, this brand of ATVs seem to pack some serious equipment. 7 lakhs is alright considering the American $6000 tag, but until they localise (or atleast assemble here), ATVs will only be rare, rich mans, toys. Heck, 7 lakhs can get you a brand new Gypsy 4x4!
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