Which Jeep Is this?

wanderernomad · 11th May 2010, 12:40

Folks I have an offer for a Jeep 4X4 but the details are sketchy. It is a 1986 model, Diesel Peugeot engine, 5 gears, 4 Cylinder, 14.89 HP, with a seating capacity of 7. The unladen weight is 610 KG. Can the gurus here identify the jeep and if possible post some pictures of this Jeep. The above information has been gleamed from the photocopy of the RC book that was mailed to me. Please help as I am looking to buy a 4X4 jeep.
Engine no. DJ 19581
Chasis no. DJ 19581

wanderernomad · 11th May 2010, 16:34

Cmon guys, help. Where are all the jeepers?

11th May 2010, 16:38

this is digital age, so ask the seller to email you a photo and then it can be identified correctly.

these days people make so many changes to their jeeps, including change of engines, so its kind of difficult to say correctly as to what jeep you are being offered.

i think its a 1986 CJ 640 DP Vehicle.

Red Liner · 11th May 2010, 16:40

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Originally Posted by wanderernomad

Cmon guys, help. Where are all the jeepers?

No pictures no comments. This is like asking a blind man's opinion on Barbara Mori.

Details you've given seem very OFF. 14 HP? And just 610 Kgs for a diesel?

svsantosh · 11th May 2010, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Red Liner

like asking a blind man's opinion on Barbara Mori.

OT - Even a blind man can give a LOT of opinion on Barbara Mori

Seriously - WandererN - Need pics, there are many versions of our beloved M&M Jeep. Peep being the most common of them...

So if you want to be on the safer side - let the pics flow...

wanderernomad · 11th May 2010, 17:26

Digital age ye mate but unfortunately the jeep is with an iliterate scrap dealer in a back water town. It was spotted by a friend who took a photocopy of the RC book to send to me, though I have asked him to take a few pictures next time he goes by that town again. I sent him some pictures of the jeeps at TBHP and this is what I could gleam from his replies:-
1. Its a SWB.
2. Soft top.
3. Front windshield is folding.
4. Single front bench, with no rear bench.
5. Horizontal slants up front.

Thats all.

shankar.balan · 11th May 2010, 17:27

what youve been offered is probably one of the old gen CJ 500 Peugeot engined Diesel 4x4 Mahindra Jeeps. We had one in the 80's. see this pic - it is probably similar or same as the one you have an offer for.
The old CJ 500 came with 3 forward gears and one reverse + manually operated 4x4 selectors.
hence im inclined to think that the chap who is offering it to you has used the old CJ 500 body shell and plugged in one of the later Mahindra Peugeot diesel engines.
Even the first gen MM540 jeeps used to come only with 4 forward gears + the manually operated 4x4 selectors.
It is only in the early 90's that they introduced 5 forward gears in the MM540 DP - this also had the manually operated 4x4 selectors.
It is only when they launched the Bolero GLX that they incorporated the Borg Warner 4x4 Electrically operated shift on the fly selector switch.
this much I know and am happy to share - but there are lots and lots of experts on the Forum whom you should check with - notably Samurai, Dhabhar.Behram, spikearrestor,4x4addict, ex670c, vinod nookala etc.
since you have the engine and chassis no, perhaps you should check direct with the Mahindra database if they can help you find the origins of the vehicle.

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Originally Posted by wanderernomad

Folks I have an offer for a Jeep 4X4 but the details are sketchy. It is a 1986 model, Diesel Peugeot engine, 5 gears, 4 Cylinder, 14.89 HP, with a seating capacity of 7. The unladen weight is 610 KG. Can the gurus here identify the jeep and if possible post some pictures of this Jeep. The above information has been gleamed from the photocopy of the RC book that was mailed to me. Please help as I am looking to buy a 4X4 jeep.
Engine no. DJ 19581
Chasis no. DJ 19581

12th May 2010, 10:59

"It is a 1986 model, Diesel Peugeot engine, 5 gears, 4 Cylinder, 14.89 HP"

this is what is causing the confusing in identifying the correct vehicle.

Samurai · 12th May 2010, 11:20

wanderernomad, even SWB Jeep weighs 1200Kg unladen. Therefore 610Kg Jeep obviously raises too many questions. My SWB Jeep has 62HP, so how are we supposed to react to a 14.89HP Jeep.

The Jeep RC books are meaningless, according my Jeep RC book, it has 2500+ HP.

In other words, without a photograph we can't comment.

Spitfire · 12th May 2010, 11:26

Forget what Jeep it is.

If its RC is so well screwed up, you shouldnt be bothered buying it.

star_aqua · 12th May 2010, 12:12

RC book has nothing much to do with the JEEP. Somewhere it should have been mentioned as JEEP, thats all is required for RTO purpose. regarding HP, it is how they used to mention in those days. MY RC too has same numbers. I am not sure why. all models till 90 have same figures in the RC book.
and till 90 the JEEPS had the Engine no and Chassis no as same. It could be a MM540 too as it is 1986 model.
just my 2 cents.

wanderernomad · 12th May 2010, 12:14

Ok I agree with what you all say. Let me see how soon can I get the guy to send me the pictures. Yes the entries in the RC even had me confused.
@star: Its not a 540. I think from what i have been able to gleam from the sketchy information it is similar to the picture posted by Shankar.

conjon · 12th May 2010, 19:16

According to the rc book of my baleno, it has only 11bhp.
Ask your friend to find the information from the dashboard of the jeep, on which there is thin plate(manufacturers spec) that's got some specifications, if it is still in place.

Hashim · 12th May 2010, 20:25

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Originally Posted by Samurai

The Jeep RC books are meaningless, according my Jeep RC book, it has 2500+ HP.

I remember my friends LML scooter paper had engine power mentioned 150 HP

(it was 150 cc with some 8.xx HP).

To get correct engine details you can Google the engine model number and get details, but according to me if you find the deal good and after doing a test drive you are satisfied then go for it.

Sutripta · 12th May 2010, 22:46

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Originally Posted by wanderernomad

Folks I have an offer for a Jeep 4X4 but the details are sketchy. It is a 1986 model, Diesel Peugeot engine, 5 gears, 4 Cylinder, 14.89 HP, with a seating capacity of 7. The unladen weight is 610 KG. Can the gurus here identify the jeep and if possible post some pictures of this Jeep. The above information has been gleamed from the photocopy of the RC book that was mailed to me. Please help as I am looking to buy a 4X4 jeep.
Engine no. DJ 19581
Chasis no. DJ 19581

Hi,
Think your friend is including reverse in his gear count.

HP mentioned in the RC book (at least in my neck of the woods) used to be the RAC rating. (We were after all a British colony) Later on when new engines starting coming out, the RTOs had no clue as to what to do. So started HP=cc/100. Incidentally in the Ambassador, cc= 1489!

The 610 Kg I cannot rationalize.

Very Very wild guess. 500DP with 101 in WB. Originally came with a 3 speeder.

Sutripta

11th May 2010, 12:40	#1
wanderernomad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,552 Thanked: 1,296 Times View My Garage	Which Jeep Is this? Folks I have an offer for a Jeep 4X4 but the details are sketchy. It is a 1986 model, Diesel Peugeot engine, 5 gears, 4 Cylinder, 14.89 HP, with a seating capacity of 7. The unladen weight is 610 KG. Can the gurus here identify the jeep and if possible post some pictures of this Jeep. The above information has been gleamed from the photocopy of the RC book that was mailed to me. Please help as I am looking to buy a 4X4 jeep. Engine no. DJ 19581 Chasis no. DJ 19581
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11th May 2010, 16:34	#2
wanderernomad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,552 Thanked: 1,296 Times View My Garage	Cmon guys, help. Where are all the jeepers?
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11th May 2010, 16:38	#3
Muzungu Posts: n/a	this is digital age, so ask the seller to email you a photo and then it can be identified correctly. these days people make so many changes to their jeeps, including change of engines, so its kind of difficult to say correctly as to what jeep you are being offered. i think its a 1986 CJ 640 DP Vehicle. Last edited by Muzungu : 11th May 2010 at 16:43.
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11th May 2010, 17:26	#6
wanderernomad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,552 Thanked: 1,296 Times View My Garage	Digital age ye mate but unfortunately the jeep is with an iliterate scrap dealer in a back water town. It was spotted by a friend who took a photocopy of the RC book to send to me, though I have asked him to take a few pictures next time he goes by that town again. I sent him some pictures of the jeeps at TBHP and this is what I could gleam from his replies:- 1. Its a SWB. 2. Soft top. 3. Front windshield is folding. 4. Single front bench, with no rear bench. 5. Horizontal slants up front. Thats all. Last edited by Dippy : 12th May 2010 at 09:50. Reason: Font tags removed. Please avoid copy pasting from external text editors. Thanks.
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12th May 2010, 10:59	#8
Muzungu Posts: n/a	"It is a 1986* model, Diesel Peugeot engine, 5 gears, 4 Cylinder, 14.89 HP"* this is what is causing the confusing in identifying the correct vehicle.
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12th May 2010, 11:20	#9
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 26,003 Thanked: 49,942 Times View My Garage	wanderernomad, even SWB Jeep weighs 1200Kg unladen. Therefore 610Kg Jeep obviously raises too many questions. My SWB Jeep has 62HP, so how are we supposed to react to a 14.89HP Jeep. The Jeep RC books are meaningless, according my Jeep RC book, it has 2500+ HP. In other words, without a photograph we can't comment.
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12th May 2010, 11:26	#10
Spitfire BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Panaji - Goa/Bangalore - Karnataka Posts: 3,313 Thanked: 778 Times	Forget what Jeep it is. If its RC is so well screwed up, you shouldnt be bothered buying it.
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12th May 2010, 12:12	#11
star_aqua BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: BLR Posts: 608 Thanked: 93 Times View My Garage	RC book has nothing much to do with the JEEP. Somewhere it should have been mentioned as JEEP, thats all is required for RTO purpose. regarding HP, it is how they used to mention in those days. MY RC too has same numbers. I am not sure why. all models till 90 have same figures in the RC book. and till 90 the JEEPS had the Engine no and Chassis no as same. It could be a MM540 too as it is 1986 model. just my 2 cents.
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12th May 2010, 12:14	#12
wanderernomad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,552 Thanked: 1,296 Times View My Garage	Ok I agree with what you all say. Let me see how soon can I get the guy to send me the pictures. Yes the entries in the RC even had me confused. @star: Its not a 540. I think from what i have been able to gleam from the sketchy information it is similar to the picture posted by Shankar. Last edited by wanderernomad : 12th May 2010 at 12:20.
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12th May 2010, 19:16	#13
conjon BHPian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: TReg : Glasgow, PReg : KL-5 Posts: 105 Thanked: 13 Times	According to the rc book of my baleno, it has only 11bhp. Ask your friend to find the information from the dashboard of the jeep, on which there is thin plate(manufacturers spec) that's got some specifications, if it is still in place.
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