Suggestion for front speakers for my Sumo

nitrous · 28th January 2006, 10:08

Guys,
I need a good suggestion for a front pair.I'm currently running:

Pioneer 4650 HU
Pioneer 6000F amp
Pioneer 3990 rear 6x9s
Pioneer 305C(enclosed) subwoofer

I lost my front speakers and the tweeters in the recent paint job.
Do u think 5" coax is ok if i'm definitely gonna run it with my amp.
My budget is around 3k-4k.Pls suggest brand and model number of the speakers.

Where can i fix this 5" coax anyway? Can it be in the door , cos i dont think it's gonna fit my dashboard..
Thanx in advance

Sam Kapasi · 28th January 2006, 11:47

Hi!
To my knowledge the Sumo can only accomodate a 4" speaker in the factory original location.
If you want to fit a 5.25 component set, you'll have to cut the door and then put a spacer ring as the Sumo door has little depth.

navin · 28th January 2006, 11:52

Even the door will be a tight fit. But you gotta ask your installer about that. If you are looking at coax there are plenty of brands (JBL, Alpine, Boston, Blaupunkt etc.. all offer something in your price range).

nitrous · 28th January 2006, 13:31

Thanx Sam and navin for ur inputs.

How much difference in sound quality and performancewould there be between a 4" coax and a 5" one?
I've decided to go for the JBL.
If i can drive the 4" JBL coax with the amp, and the difference from the 5" isn't drastic,i'm going in for them. Navin and Sam,pls reply.

navin · 29th January 2006, 00:04

4" = Sd of about 80cm2, 5" = Sd of 120cm2 so bass wold be a significant factor. beyond that most things should remain equal.

nitrous · 29th January 2006, 00:19

Thx,navin. But, can i run it with an amp without blowing it.
I'm referring to the JBL 426e.

Rehaan · 30th January 2006, 03:37

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Originally Posted by nitrous

Can it be in the door , cos i dont think it's gonna fit my dashboard..

Doesnt the sumo have a really nice position for your front speakers on the dash facing you? Only problem being the size though....

cya
R

navin · 30th January 2006, 09:54

Sure most 4" or 5" coax are quite ok with the power from a HU.

Sam Kapasi · 30th January 2006, 11:09

Just a small suggestion, please also take a look at the new 4", the cheaper JBL CS2104. It costs less than the GTO426e, (RS 18XX) and has a larger tweeter and generally I was quite impressed with it as the midwoofer cone is the same too.

navin · 30th January 2006, 14:23

Sam any idea of the Fs of the tweeter of the CS2104? also ain't the CS series suppsoed to be "lesser" than the GTO series?

Sam Kapasi · 30th January 2006, 15:55

Dont have the Fs yet, sorry. Yes the CS are supposed to be "lesser" but some of the products make excellent sense.
Physical differences between the GTO426e and CS2104 - Well the GTO426e has a larger heavier magnet. The CS2104s magnet is physically about 25% smaller and lighter. The woofer cone is the same honeycomb material- leads me to believe this particular model uses the same cone as the GTO. Strangely, the GTO has a .5" tweeter and the CS has a 1" tweeter.
Costs- GTO426e costs 2500/- and the CS2104 - 1890/- (MSRP)

navin · 30th January 2006, 16:22

funny HF response for a mid is usually determined by cone breakup in the midrage and beaming. in this case the cone being the same i wonder why JBL chose to have 2 different tweeters with the same mid. BTW using a bigger magnet would usaully reduce Qts and hence allow for better bass response but here we are talking about mid-hf integration.

nitrous · 30th January 2006, 23:59

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Doesnt the sumo have a really nice position for your front speakers on the dash facing you? Only problem being the size though....

U're absolutely right, rehaan.

I called a friend's friend who's a JBL dealer and i asked him if he had stock and what the pricing was for a GTO426e. He was quite puzzled by my question and i told him 'in detail' that its a 4" coax. He immediately replied that it costs 1850. I was like WHOA. I must be really lucky since i'm getting 2.5k(on team-bhp)worth speakers for just 1850. Now, i realised i must come back to earth since it was the CS 4" he was referring to. D@mn, these dealers, all they know is 'only 1 model per size'!!

revtech · 31st January 2006, 01:03

but sam which ones better out of the two.if you have a budget it obiously makes sence to get the Cs but if not really on a budget but you need a 4 inch and nothing bigger which one is better ??

Rev

navin · 31st January 2006, 10:03

My take (without listening to either is), the CS is probably better VFM, the GTO is probably better period.

28th January 2006, 10:08	#1
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Suggestion for front speakers for my Sumo Guys, I need a good suggestion for a front pair.I'm currently running: Pioneer 4650 HU Pioneer 6000F amp Pioneer 3990 rear 6x9s Pioneer 305C(enclosed) subwoofer I lost my front speakers and the tweeters in the recent paint job. Do u think 5" coax is ok if i'm definitely gonna run it with my amp. My budget is around 3k-4k.Pls suggest brand and model number of the speakers. Where can i fix this 5" coax anyway? Can it be in the door , cos i dont think it's gonna fit my dashboard.. Thanx in advance Last edited by nitrous : 28th January 2006 at 10:11.
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28th January 2006, 11:47	#2
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Hi! To my knowledge the Sumo can only accomodate a 4" speaker in the factory original location. If you want to fit a 5.25 component set, you'll have to cut the door and then put a spacer ring as the Sumo door has little depth.
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28th January 2006, 11:52	#3
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,302 Times	Even the door will be a tight fit. But you gotta ask your installer about that. If you are looking at coax there are plenty of brands (JBL, Alpine, Boston, Blaupunkt etc.. all offer something in your price range).
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28th January 2006, 13:31	#4
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Thanx Sam and navin for ur inputs. How much difference in sound quality and performancewould there be between a 4" coax and a 5" one? I've decided to go for the JBL. If i can drive the 4" JBL coax with the amp, and the difference from the 5" isn't drastic,i'm going in for them. Navin and Sam,pls reply.
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29th January 2006, 00:04	#5
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,302 Times	4" = Sd of about 80cm2, 5" = Sd of 120cm2 so bass wold be a significant factor. beyond that most things should remain equal.
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29th January 2006, 00:19	#6
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Thx,navin. But, can i run it with an amp without blowing it. I'm referring to the JBL 426e.
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30th January 2006, 09:54	#8
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,302 Times	Sure most 4" or 5" coax are quite ok with the power from a HU.
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30th January 2006, 11:09	#9
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Just a small suggestion, please also take a look at the new 4", the cheaper JBL CS2104. It costs less than the GTO426e, (RS 18XX) and has a larger tweeter and generally I was quite impressed with it as the midwoofer cone is the same too.
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30th January 2006, 14:23	#10
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,302 Times	Sam any idea of the Fs of the tweeter of the CS2104? also ain't the CS series suppsoed to be "lesser" than the GTO series?
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30th January 2006, 15:55	#11
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Dont have the Fs yet, sorry. Yes the CS are supposed to be "lesser" but some of the products make excellent sense. Physical differences between the GTO426e and CS2104 - Well the GTO426e has a larger heavier magnet. The CS2104s magnet is physically about 25% smaller and lighter. The woofer cone is the same honeycomb material- leads me to believe this particular model uses the same cone as the GTO. Strangely, the GTO has a .5" tweeter and the CS has a 1" tweeter. Costs- GTO426e costs 2500/- and the CS2104 - 1890/- (MSRP)
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30th January 2006, 16:22	#12
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,302 Times	funny HF response for a mid is usually determined by cone breakup in the midrage and beaming. in this case the cone being the same i wonder why JBL chose to have 2 different tweeters with the same mid. BTW using a bigger magnet would usaully reduce Qts and hence allow for better bass response but here we are talking about mid-hf integration.
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31st January 2006, 01:03	#14
revtech Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,992 Thanked: 38 Times View My Garage	but sam which ones better out of the two.if you have a budget it obiously makes sence to get the Cs but if not really on a budget but you need a 4 inch and nothing bigger which one is better ?? Rev
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31st January 2006, 10:03	#15
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,302 Times	My take (without listening to either is), the CS is probably better VFM, the GTO is probably better period.
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