components help reqd...

amitverma · 2nd September 2006, 03:11

hey
am quite a n00b in the ICE dept. help reqd. pls.
i have 6.5" JBL comps fitted in the front door of my Palio. they are routed through the HU instead of the amp which I would have preferred.
the installer scared me off saying it would require heavy tampering with the wiring that came from FIAT. one even said that since these come with their mini-amp (read: x-over) they cant be routed through the amplifier. i doubt it.

also if i switch off the sub, i can just listen to distorted sound from the comps. this was not the way it was meant to be. i got these comps installed after hearing a lot about them from ppl here at t-bhp. and so far i have been left unimpressed. please can anyone help me out?

kb100 · 2nd September 2006, 08:20

RUN AWAY from that installer!!... Thats the first thing you do!! ... The second?.... go find yourself another good knowlegdgable one!!

929RON · 2nd September 2006, 09:20

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Originally Posted by amitverma

hey
the installer scared me off saying it would require heavy tampering with the wiring that came from FIAT. one even said that since these come with their mini-amp (read: x-over) they cant be routed through the amplifier. i doubt it.

amit,

= This is what you need to do to the installer , He is a total Idiot and I have never heard anything more ridiculous than this.

amit_sound · 2nd September 2006, 10:50

Hey amit, i too have a JBL 6.5'" comp in front. If you are not using a amp along with it, its a disrepect to your speakers.

Comps run best when connected to a amp. My components are connected to my JBL 75.4 amp. The small thing (circuit) that come along with your comp is the crossover, that just used to filter the mid freq to the speaker and high freq to your tweeter. The are not ment to amplify the sound. And not connecting your components to amp will anytime give you distorted sound.

Just a word of advice.. go to some better installer, who understands the meaning of a component speakers and knows the installation.

Best of luck.

a4_attitude · 2nd September 2006, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitverma

hey
am quite a n00b in the ICE dept. help reqd. pls.
i have 6.5" JBL comps fitted in the front door of my Palio. they are routed through the HU instead of the amp which I would have preferred.
the installer scared me off saying it would require heavy tampering with the wiring that came from FIAT. one even said that since these come with their mini-amp (read: x-over) they cant be routed through the amplifier. i doubt it.

also if i switch off the sub, i can just listen to distorted sound from the comps. this was not the way it was meant to be. i got these comps installed after hearing a lot about them from ppl here at t-bhp. and so far i have been left unimpressed. please can anyone help me out?

ams sure u have got the answer I have a off topic question how much did u paid for components?

s0uljah · 2nd September 2006, 16:22

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Originally Posted by a4_attitude

ams sure u have got the answer I have a off topic question how much did u paid for components?

Judging by the situation, I don tthink your question is off-topic !! The 'installer' probably gipped him on the sale of the comps too.. unless of course he got it with B&W.

@AmitVerma : like everyone has pointed out, the comps need some juice from the amp to provide the desired listening experience.

Do list out your entire ICE setup (hu/front/rear/amp/sub) etc...and then you will be able to get optimal configuration of your setup

esteem_lover · 2nd September 2006, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitverma

hey
am quite a n00b in the ICE dept. help reqd. pls.
i have 6.5" JBL comps fitted in the front door of my Palio. they are routed through the HU instead of the amp which I would have preferred.
the installer scared me off saying it would require heavy tampering with the wiring that came from FIAT. one even said that since these come with their mini-amp (read: x-over) they cant be routed through the amplifier. i doubt it.

also if i switch off the sub, i can just listen to distorted sound from the comps. this was not the way it was meant to be. i got these comps installed after hearing a lot about them from ppl here at t-bhp. and so far i have been left unimpressed. please can anyone help me out?

this, coming from the land of gunbir, is unacceptable. pm gunbir right away & pay him a visit, man.

amitverma · 3rd September 2006, 03:00

HU: Pioneer 5650 powering the front components alongwith rear Xplod 6x9s.
JBL 60.4 amp powering Pio 360DVC.
am worried giving the JBL amp a pair of comps to handle might be asking for too much from it? is it so?

speedzak · 3rd September 2006, 09:01

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Originally Posted by amitverma

HU: Pioneer 5650 powering the front components alongwith rear Xplod 6x9s.
JBL 60.4 amp powering Pio 360DVC.
am worried giving the JBL amp a pair of comps to handle might be asking for too much from it? is it so?

First, knock the installer's capacitors off! You know where it's installed right? in the middle!!! It should be easy to spot and concentrate on the mids while you do it! If he cant still find sense then hang a subwoofer on him! (no matter if it is DVC or SVC).

JBL 60.4 amp can power the components. Only thing affected will be your Sub. As most probably, the amp will be powering the DVC sub in 2+2 channel mode. So, the 2 channels will be moved to the components and the Sub will be getting less juice from the amp.

s0uljah · 3rd September 2006, 13:15

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Originally Posted by speedzak

First, knock the installer's capacitors off! You know where it's installed right? in the middle!!! It should be easy to spot and concentrate on the mids while you do it! If he cant still find sense then hang a subwoofer on him! (no matter if it is DVC or SVC).

While your at it......... remove the sony 6x9's and tie it to the installers head and BLOW!!

But seriously, you have a nice setup, only thing those sony's are a weak spot in the config. Try and change that sometime if you have the time, money or inclination.

Good luck.

amitverma · 3rd September 2006, 13:40

i do reckon that the xplods are the weak link but was a little out of budget for new 6x9s. anyways, which 6x9s would u recommend?

s0uljah · 3rd September 2006, 14:13

First get your current issue sorted out... upgrade later if YOU FEEL THE NEED

hehe.

6x9" not required... you could use 6" co-axials and this would be enough, since you have good front fill and also a sub. Expect to pay 3 - 4k for 6x9's.

JBL 937 costs approx. 3.8k.

prince85 · 3rd September 2006, 16:43

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Originally Posted by s0uljah

JBL 937 costs approx. 3.8k.

ARe these with B&W that you talking about. In Mumbai the JBL GTO 937's can be had for 4.9k and with some discount its comes upto 4.5k but 3.8k

????????

s0uljah · 3rd September 2006, 20:19

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Originally Posted by s0uljah

Expect to pay 3 - 4k for 6x9's.
JBL 937 costs approx. 3.8k.

Typo. Sorry ! I meant 4.8k, but sam would be th eone to confirm that !!

ST7677 · 3rd September 2006, 21:47

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And not connecting your components to amp will anytime give you distorted sound.

I do not think this is true!
As long as HU is able to provide power in the range of Power range of components, it should work fine. Though it,s capabilities may not be completely utilized.

2nd September 2006, 03:11	#1
amitverma BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Delhi Posts: 426 Thanked: 141 Times	components help reqd... hey am quite a n00b in the ICE dept. help reqd. pls. i have 6.5" JBL comps fitted in the front door of my Palio. they are routed through the HU instead of the amp which I would have preferred. the installer scared me off saying it would require heavy tampering with the wiring that came from FIAT. one even said that since these come with their mini-amp (read: x-over) they cant be routed through the amplifier. i doubt it. also if i switch off the sub, i can just listen to distorted sound from the comps. this was not the way it was meant to be. i got these comps installed after hearing a lot about them from ppl here at t-bhp. and so far i have been left unimpressed. please can anyone help me out?
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2nd September 2006, 08:20	#2
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	RUN AWAY from that installer!!... Thats the first thing you do!! ... The second?.... go find yourself another good knowlegdgable one!!
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2nd September 2006, 10:50	#4
amit_sound BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 596 Thanked: 11 Times	Hey amit, i too have a JBL 6.5'" comp in front. If you are not using a amp along with it, its a disrepect to your speakers. Comps run best when connected to a amp. My components are connected to my JBL 75.4 amp. The small thing (circuit) that come along with your comp is the crossover, that just used to filter the mid freq to the speaker and high freq to your tweeter. The are not ment to amplify the sound. And not connecting your components to amp will anytime give you distorted sound. Just a word of advice.. go to some better installer, who understands the meaning of a component speakers and knows the installation. Best of luck.
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3rd September 2006, 03:00	#8
amitverma BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Delhi Posts: 426 Thanked: 141 Times	HU: Pioneer 5650 powering the front components alongwith rear Xplod 6x9s. JBL 60.4 amp powering Pio 360DVC. am worried giving the JBL amp a pair of comps to handle might be asking for too much from it? is it so?
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3rd September 2006, 13:40	#11
amitverma BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Delhi Posts: 426 Thanked: 141 Times	i do reckon that the xplods are the weak link but was a little out of budget for new 6x9s. anyways, which 6x9s would u recommend?
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3rd September 2006, 14:13	#12
s0uljah Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 2,222 Thanked: 26 Times View My Garage	First get your current issue sorted out... upgrade later if YOU FEEL THE NEED hehe. 6x9" not required... you could use 6" co-axials and this would be enough, since you have good front fill and also a sub. Expect to pay 3 - 4k for 6x9's. JBL 937 costs approx. 3.8k. Last edited by s0uljah : 3rd September 2006 at 14:15.
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