Unmatched Sounds with Infinity + JBL on Swift

vishnugs · 22nd February 2007, 14:41

Hi Friends,

After spending lot of time on Team BHP ICE threads I decided upon the stereo for my Swift DDSi. The biggest constraint in choosing my ICE was space, I did not want to sacrifice the small boot that Swift gives so was forced to forego Subwoofers. To compensate that I decided to go in for amp powered high RMS speakers.

HU : Pioneer 4950
Amp : JBL 60.4 4 ch Amp
Front : 6.5" Infinity Reference 6010cs 90 w RMS
Rear : JBL GTO936 6x9 Oval Speakers 100 w RMS

The first decision was to decide between Amp and HU powering for the speakers. But then this decision was pretty easy, Amps can deliver clear sound over a wide frequency than HU which constrained by space/heat norms etc. Also powering good speakers with 22 W RMS (which HU offers) dint sound like a great idea to me, so chose JBL 4 ch amp so that I could power all speakers off the amp.

The next decision was whether to go for subwoofers, but then as I mentioned earlier, I was not prepared to sacrifice Swift's boot so I choose the next best option of installing 6 x 9 oval speakers. I found JBL GTO937 to be the best choice for the set its 100w RMS speakers with decent bass.

Ah, lets come to the most difficult call I had to make, it was between JBL component speakers and Infinity speakers. One of my friend has a Swift with JBL GTO 6.5" comps, we tried to tweak it to its best performance with equalizers and crossover config but sad, it dint give the punch I wanted. Basically the front speakers were more of glorified tweeters. So I gave a try with Inifinity, it burnt a hole in my pocket though.

The speaker cone was made of some strong nylon like material and the magnet was strong. Since it was protruding outside I went in for a spacer to fit it in the swift front doors.

The tweeters that came with Infinity speakers were superb looking. They came with nice mounts, these mounts will go into the door panels giving a upmarket finish. These tweeters also supported turning them in all directions.

But when fitting guy had to drill a hole, I was really afraid, but he did an excellent job. After he finished the work , the hole was looking like factory done.

The crossovers, I dint want them to be in visible location, so got it mounted behind the HU

I used Boss cable set for powering the AMP and for connecting it to the HU, it was considerably inexpensive, since this was not an amp which sucks too much power I decided to settle with Boss.

Now everything is set to blast !!!!

Experience
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The sound was really lively and power packed. The sound staging created for the front seat passengers was one of the best that I have ever heard. It took the songs to a new dimension, there were lot of sounds, jingles and echos that I have never heard before in other systems.

After tweaking a lot with the Amp in freq range (crossover), I was able to make the Infinity front comps give a little of bass too, they handle it with ease. The GTO no doubt handles the low freq with ease. So with both and front speakers, I got a decent level of Bass which was the best I have seen in systems without subwoofers.

The fittment exceeded my expectations, especially the tweeter mounts, set the amp under the copassenger seat. Thanks to Infinity speakers and JBL amp that created a difference for the money spent !

Vishnu

revtech · 22nd February 2007, 15:21

congrat on your new setup dude...enjoy to the fullest...

Rev

alexrabbi · 22nd February 2007, 15:30

Hey,

Thanks for the photographs, so that we get the real feel.

dmitri · 22nd February 2007, 16:33

How much did u pay for the Infinitys?

vishnugs · 22nd February 2007, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmitri

How much did u pay for the Infinitys?

I think I paid ~7.5k

hydrashok · 22nd February 2007, 18:08

Congrats on the setup, vishnugs. You're obviously very happy with it

Nice of you to put up the pics too. How about some pics of the tweeter mount, buddy? I'd love to see it in the finished stage.

Jaggu · 22nd February 2007, 18:56

Congratz on the setup, Yup why not post the pic of finished installation.

Details of pricing would be also great

Sam Kapasi · 22nd February 2007, 19:52

Wow man, that's a well written report on your music system. Didja get 936 or 937 rears?

Vid6639 · 22nd February 2007, 20:49

Sam, The rears look like 937 to me. see the second pic.

Mugen_Power · 23rd February 2007, 00:15

Congrates for new setup and that was nice report with good pics.

goldsun · 23rd February 2007, 06:46

Hi Vishnugs,

I had installed exactly a similar set up for my SWIFT. and the decision making process was also similar to that of yours. I first got advice from SAM and then proceeded with JBL AMP. Settled for Infinity for the front and JBL for the rear and I have deferred the decision on Sub for future.

Can you tell me, whether the cross overs are set to Flat or otherwise, like LP for the rear and HP for the Front or vice versa. Though my installer had it tuned well, I intend to have a grip of tuning and would like to know about the tuning options available.

In the process, I could get a nice post on Amplifier tuning for BMW, which should be applicable for tuning any Amp. here is the link.

Bavarian Soundwerks presents: AMPLIFIER TUNING GUIDE - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum

rock18 · 23rd February 2007, 11:29

Looks like you are from Chennai.
From which shop did you install all these stuffs in chennai?

vishnugs · 26th February 2007, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldsun

Hi Vishnugs,

I had installed exactly a similar set up for my SWIFT. and the decision making process was also similar to that of yours. I first got advice from SAM and then proceeded with JBL AMP. Settled for Infinity for the front and JBL for the rear and I have deferred the decision on Sub for future.

Can you tell me, whether the cross overs are set to Flat or otherwise, like LP for the rear and HP for the Front or vice versa. Though my installer had it tuned well, I intend to have a grip of tuning and would like to know about the tuning options available.

In the process, I could get a nice post on Amplifier tuning for BMW, which should be applicable for tuning any Amp. here is the link.

Bavarian Soundwerks presents: AMPLIFIER TUNING GUIDE - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum

Great !!! Nice to know that you have the same setup in your car. Actually I have not kept it in Flat mode, in flat all frequencies flow to the front speakers which causes distortion at high volumes, so I have set it to HP (not very sure, will confirm tonight if it is LP or HP) with the crossovers adjusted so that all channels sound clear even at high volumes.

Did you mount the tweeters in the same fashion?

The tuning article is great, very informative...will retune my amp tonight...

vishnugs · 26th February 2007, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Wow man, that's a well written report on your music system. Didja get 936 or 937 rears?

Its GTO937 actually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock18

Looks like you are from Chennai.
From which shop did you install all these stuffs in chennai?

I'm from Bangalore...I hand picked items from various points right from SP road to Majestic to BTM extrafittings vendor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Congratz on the setup, Yup why not post the pic of finished installation. Details of pricing would be also great

Detailed Pricing

JBL 60.4 Amp - 6200
Infinity 6010cs - 7500
JBL GTO937 - 4000
Pioneer 4950 HU - 5100
Wiring Kit - 1500
Installation - 600

Will post finished pics tomorrow...

revtech · 26th February 2007, 16:00

are the jbl 937 and 60.4 with bill and warranty cause those prices are way lower than MRP atleast here in bombay.

22nd February 2007, 14:41	#1
vishnugs BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 173 Thanked: 59 Times	Unmatched Sounds with Infinity + JBL on Swift Hi Friends, After spending lot of time on Team BHP ICE threads I decided upon the stereo for my Swift DDSi. The biggest constraint in choosing my ICE was space, I did not want to sacrifice the small boot that Swift gives so was forced to forego Subwoofers. To compensate that I decided to go in for amp powered high RMS speakers. HU : Pioneer 4950 Amp : JBL 60.4 4 ch Amp Front : 6.5" Infinity Reference 6010cs 90 w RMS Rear : JBL GTO936 6x9 Oval Speakers 100 w RMS The first decision was to decide between Amp and HU powering for the speakers. But then this decision was pretty easy, Amps can deliver clear sound over a wide frequency than HU which constrained by space/heat norms etc. Also powering good speakers with 22 W RMS (which HU offers) dint sound like a great idea to me, so chose JBL 4 ch amp so that I could power all speakers off the amp. The next decision was whether to go for subwoofers, but then as I mentioned earlier, I was not prepared to sacrifice Swift's boot so I choose the next best option of installing 6 x 9 oval speakers. I found JBL GTO937 to be the best choice for the set its 100w RMS speakers with decent bass. Ah, lets come to the most difficult call I had to make, it was between JBL component speakers and Infinity speakers. One of my friend has a Swift with JBL GTO 6.5" comps, we tried to tweak it to its best performance with equalizers and crossover config but sad, it dint give the punch I wanted. Basically the front speakers were more of glorified tweeters. So I gave a try with Inifinity, it burnt a hole in my pocket though. The speaker cone was made of some strong nylon like material and the magnet was strong. Since it was protruding outside I went in for a spacer to fit it in the swift front doors. The tweeters that came with Infinity speakers were superb looking. They came with nice mounts, these mounts will go into the door panels giving a upmarket finish. These tweeters also supported turning them in all directions. But when fitting guy had to drill a hole, I was really afraid, but he did an excellent job. After he finished the work , the hole was looking like factory done. The crossovers, I dint want them to be in visible location, so got it mounted behind the HU I used Boss cable set for powering the AMP and for connecting it to the HU, it was considerably inexpensive, since this was not an amp which sucks too much power I decided to settle with Boss. Now everything is set to blast !!!! Experience ======== The sound was really lively and power packed. The sound staging created for the front seat passengers was one of the best that I have ever heard. It took the songs to a new dimension, there were lot of sounds, jingles and echos that I have never heard before in other systems. After tweaking a lot with the Amp in freq range (crossover), I was able to make the Infinity front comps give a little of bass too, they handle it with ease. The GTO no doubt handles the low freq with ease. So with both and front speakers, I got a decent level of Bass which was the best I have seen in systems without subwoofers. The fittment exceeded my expectations, especially the tweeter mounts, set the amp under the copassenger seat. Thanks to Infinity speakers and JBL amp that created a difference for the money spent ! Vishnu
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22nd February 2007, 15:21	#2
revtech Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,992 Thanked: 38 Times View My Garage	congrat on your new setup dude...enjoy to the fullest... Rev
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22nd February 2007, 15:30	#3
alexrabbi BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 131 Thanked: 21 Times	Hey, Thanks for the photographs, so that we get the real feel.
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22nd February 2007, 16:33	#4
dmitri BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 74 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	How much did u pay for the Infinitys? Last edited by dmitri : 22nd February 2007 at 16:36.
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22nd February 2007, 18:08	#6
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Congrats on the setup, vishnugs. You're obviously very happy with it Nice of you to put up the pics too. How about some pics of the tweeter mount, buddy? I'd love to see it in the finished stage.
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22nd February 2007, 18:56	#7
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	Congratz on the setup, Yup why not post the pic of finished installation. Details of pricing would be also great Last edited by Jaggu : 22nd February 2007 at 19:01.
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22nd February 2007, 19:52	#8
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Wow man, that's a well written report on your music system. Didja get 936 or 937 rears?
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22nd February 2007, 20:49	#9
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,483 Times View My Garage	Sam, The rears look like 937 to me. see the second pic.
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23rd February 2007, 00:15	#10
Mugen_Power Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gujarat 03 Posts: 1,302 Thanked: 18 Times	Congrates for new setup and that was nice report with good pics.
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23rd February 2007, 06:46	#11
goldsun BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 230 Thanked: 48 Times	Hi Vishnugs, I had installed exactly a similar set up for my SWIFT. and the decision making process was also similar to that of yours. I first got advice from SAM and then proceeded with JBL AMP. Settled for Infinity for the front and JBL for the rear and I have deferred the decision on Sub for future. Can you tell me, whether the cross overs are set to Flat or otherwise, like LP for the rear and HP for the Front or vice versa. Though my installer had it tuned well, I intend to have a grip of tuning and would like to know about the tuning options available. In the process, I could get a nice post on Amplifier tuning for BMW, which should be applicable for tuning any Amp. here is the link. Bavarian Soundwerks presents: AMPLIFIER TUNING GUIDE - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum Last edited by goldsun : 23rd February 2007 at 06:48. Reason: Incorrect link pasted earlier
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23rd February 2007, 11:29	#12
rock18 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 310 Thanked: 55 Times View My Garage	Looks like you are from Chennai. From which shop did you install all these stuffs in chennai?
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26th February 2007, 16:00	#15
revtech Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,992 Thanked: 38 Times View My Garage	are the jbl 937 and 60.4 with bill and warranty cause those prices are way lower than MRP atleast here in bombay.
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