Need Help on Pioneer Spk, HU & JBL SWTube

anthonydcruz · 5th August 2008, 22:14

Hey Gurus,
I have Palio 1.2 elx, I want to upgrade my ICE, I have shortlisted something.... but before buying I need your suggestion...

Pioneer HU DEH-P5090UB - Rs.6600/-
Pioneer Spks TS-A951 460W - Rs.3800/-
JBL Bass Tube CS1204T 1000W- Rs. 4200/-
Amp - I need your suggestion

I also wanted to know whether to go for 1000w CS1204T BassTube or 1200w GTO1204BP Band-Pass Enclosure

Kindly let me know your suggestion.

JayD · 5th August 2008, 23:43

Please dont go for pio speakers, Instead look for better options like JBL, And what are u planning to put In front?? If u are installing a sub, then a 6X9 is not necessary. Get a good set of comps in the front and a co-ax in the rear.

The sub/Box depends on what music u like, for More BOOM, go for the tube, for tight bass, get a sealed sub!

vrrraju · 6th August 2008, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonydcruz

I also wanted to know whether to go for 1000w CS1204T BassTube or 1200w GTO1204BP Band-Pass Enclosure

Kindly let me know your suggestion.

Hi, as suggested by JayD for more bass than you can go for tube or for more tight then go for a sealed box. I think the Band pass enclosure is heavy one which sells around <20K with two subwoofer. You will need a mono block to drive it to full capacity. If you are refering to a smaller one that is Bass Reflex GTO1204BR.

You can have better speakers than Pioneer. But check before you go for them as many of them will be fakes. You can always trust on JBL and Polk if you are going through a retailer. Check JBL 607c speakers combined with either JBL GT-5 60.4 / JBL GTO 504 / JBL GTO 1004 or kenwood 8401 Amp based on your budget.

anthonydcruz · 6th August 2008, 15:28

Thanks for the advice,
I am looking to replace whole ICE.

As per your suggestion 6X9 is not necessary, so can you tell me which set of comp & co-ax I should go for? And price also

Also it would be great if anyone can explain me difference between comp, co-ax AND speakers?

My total budget is ~20-25k and I want to optimize it in best way.

I am going to buy this from Popular Auto (Mumbai), so tell me is that a reliable place to buy?

serioussound · 6th August 2008, 16:30

hi antony u can go for a pair of 6.5" componenet in front and select a pair of co-axial (6" round coaxial preferable) for the rear.for ur budget u can go for jbl gto series speakers and about the sub,if you like more booming bass you can go for the tube bt if u need some quality and a more tight bass go for a sealed sub and for the amp u can select a 4 chanel amp from the jbl itself either from gto series or from the cs series.

anthonydcruz · 8th August 2008, 14:14

Ok guys,
After reading all comments, I have decided to go with following option… please let me know if I am optimizing my money, effectively

• HeadUnit --- Pioneer DEH-P5090UB (Rs.6600/-)

• Front Spks ---- JBL Comps GTO607C (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai)

• Rear Spk ---- GT5-963 Full-Range Speakers, 3-Way Coaxial (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai)

• AMP ---- JBL GT5-A604 - 4 Channel Full-Range Amplifier (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai)

• AMP ---- JBL GTO504 280-Watt 4-Channel Full-Range Amplifier Amplifier (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai)

• SubWoofer ---- JBL CS1204T OR GTO1204BP (will decide after listening) (Rs. 4200/- /// 3000/-

Please give me request approx price in Mumbai, and give me your quick reply also, I am going to buy this tomorrow...

DerAlte · 8th August 2008, 15:54

Hope you are considering the JBL GTO504 as an alternate to the JBL GT5-A604 amp.

If you want to drive all the 4 speakers (front and rear) with 4 channels, you should go in for either a mono or a 2-ch amp to drive the sub.

If you want to drive only the front pair, then the balance 2 channels of the 4-ch amp will suffice to drive the sub.

anthonydcruz · 8th August 2008, 16:33

Yes, I am considering JBL GTO504 as an alternate to the JBL GT5-A604 amp.

I am thinking to Drive my Rear with my HU (will it be suffice do drive my rear GT5-963).
And 4 channels AMP will drive front spks and Sub

So tell me which AMP shall i go for from these two? JBL GTO504 --AND-- GT5-A604

Can anyone from this forum give me approx price for all ICE items have mentioned in the post.

Thanks in Advance

DerAlte · 8th August 2008, 20:10

The A604 - slightly higher power. Instead of the 963 ovals on a plank, use GT5-652 (~2.5K or less) in the doors.

vrrraju · 8th August 2008, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonydcruz

Yes, I am considering JBL GTO504 as an alternate to the JBL GT5-A604 amp.

I am thinking to Drive my Rear with my HU (will it be suffice do drive my rear GT5-963).
And 4 channels AMP will drive front spks and Sub

So tell me which AMP shall i go for from these two? JBL GTO504 --AND-- GT5-A604

Can anyone from this forum give me approx price for all ICE items have mentioned in the post.

Thanks in Advance

Anthony,

It is upto you which one you want to go for, the GT-5 series is the economy series and GTO is the little higher than GT series. The GT-5 A604 retails at around 7-7.5K where as the GTO504 around 10K and to check the specs GT-5 is 320 Watt and GTO is 280, but only deference would be the S/N ratio, GT-5 is 102db where as GTO is 105db and a better THD is also better so you will have better SQ. Yes, I think you can always run GT-5 963 with your HU, as you are already planning for the Sub.

Magma · 8th August 2008, 22:26

antony
is the band pass box you speak about only 4500 rs?

valhallen.282 · 8th August 2008, 22:36

the GTO is a far far far better unit.

it does not make sense to spend so much and then pick up an amp that you'd throw away as soon as you want to upgrade to more stuff simply coz it doesn't have that great an output. remember louder is NOT always better. consistency is more important which is what the GTO will afford you. more consistency in output will mean better bass from your sub too. it's all down to the internal class A/B circuits. in effect if you do get spare cash sometime soon i suggest you stick with the GTO for now and then buy a MONOBLOC to power your sub separately and then give the balance two channels to the rear speakers.

anthonydcruz · 8th August 2008, 23:41

Thanks gurus for the comments, I have finally thought to go with following ICE System

Head Unit ===> Pioneer DEH-P5090UB (Rs.6600/-)
Front Speakers ===> GTO507C (55 W)
Rear Speakers ===> JBL GT5-652 (45 W)
Sub woofer Loaded Enclosure ===> CS1204T (250W) / GTO1204BP (300W)
Wiring Kit ===> Audison / Scosche
Amplifier ===> JBL GTO 504 --- 55W RMS x 4 Channels at 4 Ohms 70W RMS x 4 Channels at 2 Ohms

Also tell if I am correctly going to DRIVE it, from following
- Head Unit will drive Rear Speakers
- Amplifier will drive Front Speaker and Woofer

Please give your reply ASAP, I am buying this tomorrow afternoon

speedzak · 9th August 2008, 05:49

Anthony!
Everything looks good so far. Go ahead and enjoy your music.

If asked for a suggestion, I will recommend you the new 608c components in place of 507. 5.25" cannot match the 6.5"! It will fit in the front door with a spacer job. Give it a try.

anthonydcruz · 11th August 2008, 16:18

Guys, I Could not do the ICE setup in weekend, most probably will do this in week.

I got the price from a dealer in Mumbai, please Let me know are these reasonable prices.

ALL PRICES ARE with Bill and Warranty

HeadUnit - Pioneer 5090UB - 6500/-
Front Speakers - JBL GTO 607c - Rs.5200/-
Rear Speakers - JBL 947 Ovals - Rs.5500/-
Amplifier - JBL GTO 504 - Rs.8200/-
SubWoofer - JBL BassTube - Rs.4200/-
Monster Wiring Kit - 3500/-

Total 33,100/-

Please let me know, whatever I am spending is right

5th August 2008, 22:14	#1
anthonydcruz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 20 Thanked: Once	Need Help on Pioneer Spk, HU & JBL SWTube Hey Gurus, I have Palio 1.2 elx, I want to upgrade my ICE, I have shortlisted something.... but before buying I need your suggestion... Pioneer HU DEH-P5090UB - Rs.6600/- Pioneer Spks TS-A951 460W - Rs.3800/- JBL Bass Tube CS1204T 1000W- Rs. 4200/- Amp - I need your suggestion I also wanted to know whether to go for 1000w CS1204T BassTube or 1200w GTO1204BP Band-Pass Enclosure Kindly let me know your suggestion.
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5th August 2008, 23:43	#2
JayD Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cochin! At last Posts: 3,235 Thanked: 2,616 Times View My Garage	Please dont go for pio speakers, Instead look for better options like JBL, And what are u planning to put In front?? If u are installing a sub, then a 6X9 is not necessary. Get a good set of comps in the front and a co-ax in the rear. The sub/Box depends on what music u like, for More BOOM, go for the tube, for tight bass, get a sealed sub!
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6th August 2008, 15:28	#4
anthonydcruz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 20 Thanked: Once	Thanks for the advice, I am looking to replace whole ICE. As per your suggestion 6X9 is not necessary, so can you tell me which set of comp & co-ax I should go for? And price also Also it would be great if anyone can explain me difference between comp, co-ax AND speakers? My total budget is ~20-25k and I want to optimize it in best way. I am going to buy this from Popular Auto (Mumbai), so tell me is that a reliable place to buy?
	() Thanks

6th August 2008, 16:30	#5
serioussound BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: kerala-trichur Posts: 32 Thanked: 5 Times	hi antony u can go for a pair of 6.5" componenet in front and select a pair of co-axial (6" round coaxial preferable) for the rear.for ur budget u can go for jbl gto series speakers and about the sub,if you like more booming bass you can go for the tube bt if u need some quality and a more tight bass go for a sealed sub and for the amp u can select a 4 chanel amp from the jbl itself either from gto series or from the cs series.
	() Thanks

8th August 2008, 14:14	#6
anthonydcruz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 20 Thanked: Once	Ok guys, After reading all comments, I have decided to go with following option… please let me know if I am optimizing my money, effectively • HeadUnit --- Pioneer DEH-P5090UB (Rs.6600/-) • Front Spks ---- JBL Comps GTO607C (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai) • Rear Spk ---- GT5-963 Full-Range Speakers, 3-Way Coaxial (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai) • AMP ---- JBL GT5-A604 - 4 Channel Full-Range Amplifier (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai) • AMP ---- JBL GTO504 280-Watt 4-Channel Full-Range Amplifier Amplifier (Can anyone pls give me approx price in Mumbai) • SubWoofer ---- JBL CS1204T OR GTO1204BP (will decide after listening) (Rs. 4200/- /// 3000/- Please give me request approx price in Mumbai, and give me your quick reply also, I am going to buy this tomorrow...
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8th August 2008, 15:54	#7
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,027 Thanked: 2,920 Times	Hope you are considering the JBL GTO504 as an alternate to the JBL GT5-A604 amp. If you want to drive all the 4 speakers (front and rear) with 4 channels, you should go in for either a mono or a 2-ch amp to drive the sub. If you want to drive only the front pair, then the balance 2 channels of the 4-ch amp will suffice to drive the sub.
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8th August 2008, 16:33	#8
anthonydcruz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 20 Thanked: Once	Yes, I am considering JBL GTO504 as an alternate to the JBL GT5-A604 amp. I am thinking to Drive my Rear with my HU (will it be suffice do drive my rear GT5-963). And 4 channels AMP will drive front spks and Sub So tell me which AMP shall i go for from these two? JBL GTO504 --AND-- GT5-A604 Can anyone from this forum give me approx price for all ICE items have mentioned in the post. Thanks in Advance
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8th August 2008, 20:10	#9
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,027 Thanked: 2,920 Times	The A604 - slightly higher power. Instead of the 963 ovals on a plank, use GT5-652 (~2.5K or less) in the doors.
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8th August 2008, 22:26	#11
Magma BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 361 Thanked: 2 Times	antony is the band pass box you speak about only 4500 rs?
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8th August 2008, 22:36	#12
valhallen.282 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 331 Thanked: 196 Times	better amp the GTO is a far far far better unit. it does not make sense to spend so much and then pick up an amp that you'd throw away as soon as you want to upgrade to more stuff simply coz it doesn't have that great an output. remember louder is NOT always better. consistency is more important which is what the GTO will afford you. more consistency in output will mean better bass from your sub too. it's all down to the internal class A/B circuits. in effect if you do get spare cash sometime soon i suggest you stick with the GTO for now and then buy a MONOBLOC to power your sub separately and then give the balance two channels to the rear speakers.
	() Thanks

8th August 2008, 23:41	#13
anthonydcruz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 20 Thanked: Once	Thanks gurus for the comments, I have finally thought to go with following ICE System Head Unit ===> Pioneer DEH-P5090UB (Rs.6600/-) Front Speakers ===> GTO507C (55 W) Rear Speakers ===> JBL GT5-652 (45 W) Sub woofer Loaded Enclosure ===> CS1204T (250W) / GTO1204BP (300W) Wiring Kit ===> Audison / Scosche Amplifier ===> JBL GTO 504 --- 55W RMS x 4 Channels at 4 Ohms 70W RMS x 4 Channels at 2 Ohms Also tell if I am correctly going to DRIVE it, from following Head Unit will drive Rear Speakers Amplifier will drive Front Speaker and Woofer Please give your reply ASAP, I am buying this tomorrow afternoon
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9th August 2008, 05:49	#14
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,346 Thanked: 29 Times	Anthony! Everything looks good so far. Go ahead and enjoy your music. If asked for a suggestion, I will recommend you the new 608c components in place of 507. 5.25" cannot match the 6.5"! It will fit in the front door with a spacer job. Give it a try.
	() Thanks

11th August 2008, 16:18	#15
anthonydcruz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 20 Thanked: Once	Guys, I Could not do the ICE setup in weekend, most probably will do this in week. I got the price from a dealer in Mumbai, please Let me know are these reasonable prices. ALL PRICES ARE with Bill and Warranty HeadUnit - Pioneer 5090UB - 6500/- Front Speakers - JBL GTO 607c - Rs.5200/- Rear Speakers - JBL 947 Ovals - Rs.5500/- Amplifier - JBL GTO 504 - Rs.8200/- SubWoofer - JBL BassTube - Rs.4200/- Monster Wiring Kit - 3500/- Total 33,100/- Please let me know, whatever I am spending is right
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