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Originally Posted by karankapoor mdf boards are compressed particle board |
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Originally Posted by frankmehta so basically chiragh needs to go for one inch think mdf board. |
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Originally Posted by chiragh_bir what will go wrong with particle board? |
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Originally Posted by karankapoor particle boards are not meant for sub enclosure, it is not as strong as mdf |
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Originally Posted by abhibh Why not to use particle board:
- it will flex too much specially with the sub you are using
- it can contract and expand due to weather changes
- its is not as strong as MDF. |
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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker I would go for Alternate material like....Aluminum. |
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Originally Posted by sudev LBM as a manufacturer of MDF I have interacted with lot of people here and abroad and essential concclusion is MDF also has much better acoustic charactertics. |
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Originally Posted by karankapoor guys what you say on Plexiglas |
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Originally Posted by frankmehta my dad is into plexiglass, and he says the acoustic properties of plexi are brilliant. |
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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker By a sub enclosure there is no need for acoustic properties which comes in the picture it is the stiffness and ability not to flex |
1. MDF is not stronger than Plywood. Void free (Marine grade) ply wood is technically stronger. MDF is better damped due to the resin used to bond the "fibers" together.
2. MDF is not compressed ply wood. Ply wood is compressed "plys" of wood sheet bonded together with some phenolic compound such as "Urea Melamine Formaldehyde". UMF is made using Benzene and Polyproplene which is then decomposed in a controlled manner (using Hydrogen rich acids). A by prodct of UMF is Acetone - the kind your wife/GF uses to remover her nail polish.
3. thickness for thickness ply can bend more than MDF but if both are prestressed ply can infct withstand greater bending moments than MDF and is hence able to made much stiffer (if prestressed).
4. As far as alternate materials are concerned there are some I have tried.
a. Aluminum - resonant. you can damp Aluminum using rubber compunds which is what JBL did for it Pro III (now called the Control 1)
b. Stainless Steel - resonant but not as bad as AL. However SS is 3 times as dense as AL and hence the whole structure can become very heavy. Weight is not good (unless it's presennse can be justified by the material's ablity to be damped or stiff) as it stores more energy which is relased later
c. Fiberlgass - diffcult to work with. Needs some special tools to make it thick enough and not de-laminate under long term use.
d. Carbon fibre - expensive. Not WAF friendly in looks. This might be the best material for car subwoofers though.
e. Glass and Ceramics - stiff but resonant. Must be used along with a second non resonant material
f. Plexiglass - too much flex but can be used in small panels (20cm-30cm square) for looks.
g. Bitumen (tar) - used primarily as a damping compund for ceramic tiles but horribly messey to work with in liquid form. You can get Bitumen sheet (or bitumen soaked sheets) and many roofing companies use the same (in corrugated form).
Guys this might look authoritative but it is not. I am willing to stand corrected but what I have stated above is only from my personal experinces.
My choice of materials today is a laminate of MDF-FRP-MDF-FRP-Ply. MDF layers are 4mm, FRP 3mm, Ply 6mm. This gives me a total thickness of 20mm. This gives me a limited degree of mess, easy to DIY (no special tools required), and adequate stiffness, damping and weight. I am sure that using more modern techniques and materials can lead to better results.