newbie needs help with audio in zen.

Sam Kapasi · 6th January 2006, 12:38

On behalf of Navin:

He meant, acoustically isolate the sub. Physically, boxwise.

navin · 6th January 2006, 15:25

yeah, what Sam says...it prevents Doppler distortion.

rev_hard · 6th January 2006, 15:52

hello sam,
right now 2 speakers and 1 sub is in 1 large box and installed in 3 different compartments of the same box.
1. should i put 2 speakers in 1 box and the sub in a different box? wont it feel as if bass is pounding from one corner of the boot?
2. or, should i get 3 different boxes and arrange the woofer's box in-between the 2 speaker boxes? will it sound better in this config or the 1st config?

regards,
anuj

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

On behalf of Navin:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

He meant, acoustically isolate the sub. Physically, boxwise.

Sam Kapasi · 6th January 2006, 17:22

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Originally Posted by rev_hard

hello sam,
right now 2 speakers and 1 sub is in 1 large box and installed in 3 different compartments of the same box.

Then it's ok - just make sure
1) the 3 compartments are properly sealed from each other.
2) Lower the gain on your 222, connect only the speakers to it and get a decent amp for the subwoofer.
3) Love your parents and be faithful to your woman (And if you cant be faithful, try really hard)

rev_hard · 6th January 2006, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

2) Lower the gain on your 222, connect only the speakers to it and get a decent amp for the subwoofer.

hi sam,
i have two sony 222's installed. should i junk 1 for a upgrade and connect one speaker each to one amp or is 1 222 enough for 1 sub? also, what amp upgrade would you recommend.

regards,
anuj

Sam Kapasi · 7th January 2006, 15:16

Use 222 for the fronts and one for the rears. As navin suggested, buy a JBL CS60.2 for the subwoofer. Bridge it and connect it in LPF mode to the sub. Buss. Ho Gaya.

iceman91 · 7th January 2006, 16:12

yeah i have not heard the jbl..but if sam and navin say its good go for it..else get a good monoblock for around 6-7k...
you can also check the sony monoblock, pioneer monoblock. they are in your budget...more expensive ones are alpine rockford fosgate earthquake etc..

navin · 9th January 2006, 10:40

funny but at teh lower price points a stereo amp bridged into mono might be better VFM.

Sam Kapasi · 9th January 2006, 11:17

I have heard the 60.2 bridged into one 12" woofer - it makes phenomenal VFM.

navin · 9th January 2006, 11:22

at a lower price point the sony 502 can work too.

rev_hard · 10th January 2006, 10:37

hi navin,

isn't the 502 another 2 channel amp from sony. i got it fitted in my bro's zen. i feel its just a marginally better product than the 222. confusion is reigning supreme herein navin, so please clarify.

i think 502 is just rated at 28w pmpo above the 222. does it really make a difference then?

regards
anuj

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Originally Posted by navin

at a lower price point the sony 502 can work too.

navin · 10th January 2006, 10:52

I've heard about the 502 and used the 504. the 504 is very grainy but ok for sub duties as it can swing volts into low impedances. I expect the 502 to be a 2 ch. version of the 504. However if you are in doubt try the JBL 60.2 albeit at a higher price.

I have not compared the 222 to the 502 or 504 so cant say for sure. However there are many amps that while being ok running into 4 ohms run out of steam when asked to manage a 2 ohm load.

A 2 ch. amp when brdiged sees a 4 ohm speaker as it would 2 ohm speakers if it was used a stereo amp.

Watt ratings of most amps are very optimistic. I would test the 502 on the grounds that if it does not swing enough volts (is not loud enough) you can upgrade to the 60.2 and if that is not enough the 300.1! :-)

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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Use 222 for the fronts and one for the rears. As navin suggested, buy a JBL CS60.2 for the subwoofer. Bridge it and connect it in LPF mode to the sub. Buss. Ho Gaya.
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iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	yeah i have not heard the jbl..but if sam and navin say its good go for it..else get a good monoblock for around 6-7k... you can also check the sony monoblock, pioneer monoblock. they are in your budget...more expensive ones are alpine rockford fosgate earthquake etc.. Last edited by iceman91 : 7th January 2006 at 16:25.
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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	I have heard the 60.2 bridged into one 12" woofer - it makes phenomenal VFM.
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navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	at a lower price point the sony 502 can work too.
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10th January 2006, 10:52	#27
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,198 Thanked: 9,300 Times	I've heard about the 502 and used the 504. the 504 is very grainy but ok for sub duties as it can swing volts into low impedances. I expect the 502 to be a 2 ch. version of the 504. However if you are in doubt try the JBL 60.2 albeit at a higher price. I have not compared the 222 to the 502 or 504 so cant say for sure. However there are many amps that while being ok running into 4 ohms run out of steam when asked to manage a 2 ohm load. A 2 ch. amp when brdiged sees a 4 ohm speaker as it would 2 ohm speakers if it was used a stereo amp. Watt ratings of most amps are very optimistic. I would test the 502 on the grounds that if it does not swing enough volts (is not loud enough) you can upgrade to the 60.2 and if that is not enough the 300.1! :-)
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