[DudeWithaFiat]

Tcavalo,

That is such a nice review. Have to say that your business logo goes well with the truck.

Ever thought of getting a Hood Ornament - a jumping horse or something like that related to horse. You seem to have more Horse Power than your truck : Tudo Cavalo - Everything horse

[wanderernomad]

Its a first owner review here for a 207? I remember once seeing an excellent modded (for creature comforts) 207 in Ladakh. This vehicle had a lot of potential for modifications but it seems TATA gives up on a product the moment it is launched and let the buyers struggle with it as long as they keep it. The ground clearance of 207 is huge and with raw power is virtually a go any where vehicle but the fit, finish and the image leaves a lot to be desired. Moreover, sitting on the rear bench you would rather wish to be in the saddle than the bench.

[dracul]

Sorry to bump an old thread. Can any one post a clear picture of the engine bay of 207 di or Sumo Victa di, especially the engine mounts.
Abin

[Ananth_shukti]

Dear Tcavalo, thought of seeking your help on putting an A/c if you have any idea, what could be the cost.
Posting my truck's pictures.
Ananth.

[Steeroid]

Review that made me

Originally Posted by Tcavalo

Also, with a country like ours, who would want to fly over it?

Love it!

Originally Posted by Tcavalo

I think they are model nos. the engine in the 207 and 407 are the same so im assuming HP is the same too. 65 or something like that I think. 407 HP, that would be a dream. Hahaha.

With TML commercial vehicles, first (or first 2, if 4 digit) digits denote carrying capacity (2 tons, 4 tons) and last two denote horsepower to nearest 10.

207 would 2 ton, around 70 bhp. 407 likewise 4 ton, same bhp. 1615 16 tons, 150 bhp, etcetera etcetera.

But I'm sure you knew that already

[condor]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

With TML commercial vehicles, first (or first 2, if 4 digit) digits denote carrying capacity (2 tons, 4 tons) and last two denote horsepower to nearest 10.

207 would 2 ton, around 70 bhp. 407 likewise 4 ton, same bhp. 1615 16 tons, 150 bhp, etcetera etcetera.

Steer, I think the first half indicates the GVW and not the capacity. I dont think the 207 could lug 2 tonnes. Not with that original 2 litre, 68 bhp engine.

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by condor

Steer, I think the first half indicates the GVW and not the capacity. I dont think the 207 could lug 2 tonnes. Not with that original 2 litre, 68 bhp engine.

This is allegedly the Telco naming convention since long.

condor why don't you take my Sumo before I chop off the top and turn it into a two-seater? I got the idea from Gudalur where I saw a beautifully chopped SE.

[condor]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

This is allegedly the Telco naming convention since long.

Yes, the naming convention is there. I too thought that the first set of numbers was the load capacity, but now I think it is the GVW.

Originally Posted by Steeroid

condor why don't you take my Sumo before I chop off the top and turn it into a two-seater? I got the idea from Gudalur where I saw a beautifully chopped SE.

Chop job ?


Wish I could take it, but requirement has changed and I am now looking for a Tatamobile. Budget constraints too, and hence the search is for the older versions and not the Telcoline ( some crew-cabs are available).

Hope the Sumo you saw was good. I am not really sure if a chop job would suit the Sumo. here's a badly done one:





And one I had rendered quite recently: I feel the Sumo body does not lend proportionate dimensions to a chop-job.

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by condor

Chop job ?

The one I saw was very well executed. And I think Sumo without the weight of a body behind would actually become quite handle-able - at least as much as a leaf-sprung vehicle can become.

Am quite happy with mine - it was stuck at home for nearly 5 months without any activity, but it started on first crank. And after clearing out the exhaust fumes over the first couple of km it was back to its old self.

Chucked out the borg warner speed-matching box and opted for manual 4x4 shifts [EDIT: Thanks @ jyobeb]. Electronics don't suit something so quaintly mechanical.

Originally Posted by condor

Yes, the naming convention is there. I too thought that the first set of numbers was the load capacity, but now I think it is the GVW.

I don't think the 1615 chassis weighs 16 tonnes, or the 1312 13 tonnes. Or even the 407 4 tonnes, 709 7 tonnes etc. Its the payload - and I learnt this very early when I had the privilege to visit Telco @ Jamshedpur as a teenager thanks to a much older cousin. The 207 is over-engineered for payload, much like any other TATA product. I've seen a 207 DI pickup carry a whole tree chopped from home - that was a LOT more than 2 tonnes, probably twice as much. Love the sound of the 207 DI engine - it is very agricultural and definitely male. It shouts "is that all you've got?"

[condor]

Any pics of that Sumo ? Would love to see them.

Originally Posted by Steeroid

I don't think the 1615 chassis weighs 16 tonnes, or the 1312 13 tonnes. Or even the 407 4 tonnes, 709 7 tonnes etc. Its the payload - and I learnt this very early when I visited Telco @ Jamshedpur as a teenager thanks to a much older cousin.

Pic with a collage of specification of weights :

First part is for the LPT 16xx. Second one is the LPT-2518.





16 tonnes & 25 tonnes is the GVW. Not unladen or chassis weight or other.

I think I have this one right. But pls do share any other info you may have come across.

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by condor

16 tonnes & 25 tonnes is the GVW. Not unladen or chassis weight or other.

I think I have this one right. But pls do share any other info you may have come across.

Okay then its fully laden GVW. Sounds about right. In that case we're reading most TATA GVWs wrong - like Hexa at 2.2 tonnes, unless that's KERB weight - probably means vehicle weight plus fuel plus full complement of passengers.

But I swear I was amazed to see that 207 DI carry 2 chopped trees (Green people - those two were threatening the power lines, 5 other saplings were planted). Pulled out quite effortlessly, too.

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Okay then its fully laden GVW.

Just realized - thats GVW, duh!

[condor]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

In that case we're reading most TATA GVWs wrong - like Hexa at 2.2 tonnes, unless that's KERB weight - probably means vehicle weight plus fuel plus full complement of passengers.

The number based naming is for commercial vehicles. In case of passenger vehicles. names are used. The 2.2 tonnes for the Hexa is the kerb weight. Add about 500 kg payload, and we have a GVW of about 2.6 -2.7 tonnes.

Originally Posted by Steeroid

But I swear I was amazed to see that 207 DI carry 2 chopped trees

Overloading is the norm than the exception . I am told that such size vehicles in mining areas are often loaded so much with equipment and spares that these vehicles often need chassis welding. Not just distorted members. A recent sample checked (for me) showed 3 welds.

[Ananth_shukti]

Got her back after 2 years.

[Kinnan]

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Originally Posted by Tcavalo

This is my first ever review, I hope I do Ok.

Thanks Tcavalo, for such an awesome review

I think it was 2 years ago I came across your review here in Team-BHP. Since then I was looking for a 207 crew cab. But it was very hard to find one in good condition here in Kerala. Also there was zero chance to find one in private registration. The only chance is to buy one in commercial category and then convert it to private registration. I have only seen 2 crew cabs so far in OLX, both in Ernakulam.

The first one which I went for was in a bad shape so I walked away. The second one was single owner and was in a better condition.The load body is slightly raised and lengthened by the previous owner for his business purposes.

The first thing I am going to do is to fit an AC unit and then i have to deal with the load body.