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Originally Posted by silversteed ...Ashok Leyland’s new truck, the first offering powered by the NEPTUNE engine, launched at Sankagiri, Tamil Nadu, has been named – SANKAGIRI EXPRESS 3120 – as a tribute to the strong bonds that have been forged and nurtured over time between the lorry operators in the region and the Company. ........ |
Incase of CV's proving an engine itself is considered almost a success for its range of vehicles. With Current IL engines at the lower end to Common rail engines in high end with H series engines (both 4 and 6 cylinder) there is a modest success with proper placing of engine power and product offering. Infact AL is having all mechanical and all electronic in the same basket and made the customer to choose products.
Now with Neptune offering in the hot runner application - 31T, where AL already has enough products with very close spacing- three engine options 160IL, 180IL, 230CRS, with twin steerable and lift axle, wheel base options and to further complicate - option of single speed and twin speed rear axle - is almost like a Maruti in hatchback, product position will be very intresting. When this is going to be taken in the way that it will click, it will be big through pass for AL to applicate in other segments and products.
Most surprising is the naming as Sankagiri express and dedicating it to Sankagiri hub, which is in favour for AL for the past decades. Without getting into the pros and cons, product naming with a transport hub should be first. With enough Buzz on Neptune which is in air for sometime, there is good expectation and should turn in favour of product.
Coming back to the application - 31T, 3116 is currently in the lower end with best in class mileage and least turn around time. This is the preference for any retail customer and for applications which does not require any preference for TAT.3118IL and LPT3118 are positioned with slightly better TAT with little compromise on fuel. 3123 CRS and BB 3123 are at the high end with superior fuel performance for the turn around time they are offering.In this crowded space - 3120 should give faster turn around with improved fuel performance.
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Originally Posted by directinjection If this claim is true, AL deserves full credit and praise! Did Mr Sumantran have a role to play in the development?
I'm keen to know exactly which international products Neptune is benchmarked against. Can someone throw light on this?
Also what is the level of similarity or dissimilarity between Neptune and Hino J series that AL had originally contracted to license manufacture? |
I guess Neptune development started even before Dr. VS joined AL.
The 5.3L 4 cylinder will be the highest capacity 4 cylinder engines for trucks and buses. Man currently offers 4.6L 4 cylinder in 25.18 6x2 is the only 4 cylinder MDV. With matched capacity to 6 cylinder and lower and flat torque curve, this should have better the engine life compared to existing 6 cylinder.
Subsequently Neptune 6 cylinder with 8.1L capacity with anticipated B10 life of 1million kms, will be be first time for any Indian manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by directinjection Excellent! However, I wonder if serviceability will be easy with a common rail pump. |
What I have seen is the serviceability has become more easy when engine turns more electronic. You have more control over the engine parameter, operating environment and obviously results in better performance of engine. Not to mention about the comfort zone of service engineer to identify the issues using the fault codes thrown in scan tools.
One thing still in favour of Mechanical engines is service cost, which anyway electronic engines cannot match.
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Originally Posted by directinjection It should help AL in increasing exports to more advanced markets where high power and speed is the norm. AL should also explore the possibility of exploiting Neptune by offering license manufacturing to truck makers in places like China and Russia. |
AL has already presence in CIS with some JV. I think entry to China is almost next to impossible considering there are enough CV manufacturers in every street corners.
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Originally Posted by directinjection Which one? AL uses ZF normally. |
Eaton 6S GB.
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Originally Posted by directinjection I'm just not happy with the fact that 3120 doesn't come with factory built cab & body. Now the chassis will got to some "Azad Body Builder" located on the roadside and get an "unsafe-at-any-speed" shell made out of wood. C'mon AL, we are living in 2013 AD! |
As for the trend in market, with respect to rigid haul there is preference only for Cowl version. Competition like AMW, MNAL started with cab and then moved to Cowl.
But anyway this should not stop AL from giving cowl, which should happen soon.
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Originally Posted by sandeepmohan I am not sure whether to call this progress or if Leyland are just standing still. 160Bhp for modern day requirements seems kinda lame. 380bhp is no great shakes either. The base needs to be something like 250Bhp and top end something like 600Bhp. The competition has already hit 500bhp.
6 speed gearbox is again insufficient considering the amount of power and torque you can get out of a modern diesel engine....
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Get into reality. For the pullers where these 500 hp engines goes, its hardly few handfull of trucks. Then comes the mining tippers where its almost dominated by global brands and now the mining operation itself is under stake.
Left out is the bulk of truck application - haulage and regular tippers - where there are so many sub applications and it requires different power ratings. With starting from 280hp there seems to be no requirement from any corner in main stream truck products.
Infact its AL is increasing the engine power requirements from the bottom end. Post BSIII, its offering only from 160 hp where as the TM is still offering 135HP in haulage. After this migration, there was a very strong resistance from customers to reduce the engine power. Infact AL's market share itself was under stake for sometime especially in buses due to higher power offered. Then in long term they proved to be better over competition and hence it survived.
Agree with you for the point that, its only these two guys plays crucial role in the way that a retail customer / layman looks at a truckproduct. When AL has moved one step when TM also ahould come up, so that over all industry standard goes up.